“there are consequences to the decisions we have made..”

WorldbyStorm had some early thoughts on what happens next, after the Republic of Ireland’s Lisbon Treaty referendum result, but there are a couple of articles at OpenDemocracy worth reading. John Palmer argues that “As matters stand the Dublin government hasn’t a clue what to propose.” and has some thoughts on what the EU might do about the ‘democratic deficit’. In an earlier post I noted Garret FitzGerald’s identification of the disconnect in Irish politics and, with Taoiseach Brian Cowen talking about “consequences to the decisions we have made” and stating that ” there is no obvious solution before us here”, Johnny Ryan & Joseph Curtin have some suggestions to mend the “democratic deficit” they identify at Dáil Éireann. This morning’s BBC Politics Show had this report on the absence of Plan C which is worth watching for the intro alone.

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  • BfB

    Seems that the EU consensus is f**ck the Irish and what they think. This whole EU thing seems a perfect fit for Ireland. Another opportunity to become fodder for another yurpeen conquest machine!!
    Oh, croppies ye’d better be quiet and still
    Ye shan’t have your liberty, do what ye will
    As long as salt water is formed in the deep
    A foot on the necks of the croppy we’ll keep
    And drink, as in bumpers past troubles we drown,
    A health to the lads that made croppies lie down

    Down, down, croppies lie down.

    * Barroso said he had spoken to Cowen and agreed with him that the ‘No’ vote was not a vote against the EU. “Ireland remains committed to a strong Europe,” he said. “The treaty is alive. Ratifications [in other EU member states] should continue to take their course.”

    * Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Janša, whose country currently holds the EU’s rotating presidency, said: “I will invite the Irish prime minister to explain the reasons for the rejection of the treaty by the Irish people.”

    * Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said: “We shall effectively look for ways to ensure it [the Lisbon Treaty] comes into force. Irrespective of the results of the referendum in Ireland … Europe will find a way of implementing this treaty.”

    * Juncker said: “This vote doesn’t resolve any of the European problems; it almost makes every European problem bigger. It was a bad choice for Europe.”

    * Sarkozy and Merkel issued a joint statement saying they “hope that the other member states will continue the process of ratification.”

    * German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said: “The ratification process must continue. I am still convinced that we need this treaty.”

    * French European Affairs Minister Jean-Pierre Jouyet talked of finding a “legal arrangement” that would allow Ireland to ratify the treaty anyway.

    * British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said the United Kingdom would press on with ratification, saying: “It’s right that we continue with our own process.”

    * At a June 13 press conference in Brussels, supposedly impartial (but frustrated and angry) reporters and other members of the European press corps accused European Commission Spokesman Johannes Laitenberger of not doing enough to refute the “myths and false rumors” that doomed the treaty in Ireland.

  • Dave

    The EU’s de facto rejection of the Unanimity Rule and the declaration by member states to proceed with ratification (which is also a de facto rejection of the Unanimity Rule) shows that Ireland’s much-touted veto based on the Unanimity Rule will be utterly useless in the EU post-Lisbon. The Irish government claimed that the Unanimity Rule gives them a veto over tax harmonisation, et al, when the transparent reality is that there is no such Unanimity Rule for those who exercise dissent: if a vote is not unanimous, the other states will not respect the Unanimity Rule (just as they have not respected it on ratification), simply declaring that “We will move forward without you” – just as they have now declared at the first test of the Unanimity Rule.

    The way forward for Ireland is to begin the process of EU de-colonisation before that becomes impossible. If the other member states within the EU decide to ignore the Unanimity Rule and to pool more of their national sovereignty under the terms of the rejected Lisbon Treaty, then they will be locking themselves into a process that can only lead to an integrated or federal super state of Europe that it will prove impossible to withdraw from. They will now be engineering what would then be their own biggest competitor as an independent nation state, thereby locking themselves into it.

    Cowen must declare that the Unanimity Rule is not negotiable or disposable. He must declare that he fully accepts that the Lisbon Treaty is dead. He must make up his mind if his boss are the Irish electorate of his masters in the EU, or he will be out on his fat ass sooner than he thinks.

  • Dave

    Typo: “He must make up his mind if his boss are the Irish electorate [b]or[/b] his masters in the EU…”

  • DC

    “then they will be locking themselves into a process that can only lead to an integrated or federal super state of Europe that it will prove impossible to withdraw from.”

    OMG, then, if we follow your line of thinking, we might even end up better off than America, with more culture, jobs and say in the world. We wouldn’t need to hang Bush, the war monger, because we would have strength to silence him. Hypothetically put, given that you are engaging along an hypothetical federal EU system.

  • George

    Dave,
    One of the main reasons that I was in no camp was because of what I saw as the shikanery around the treatment of the Dutch and French voters.

    Add to that all these things in Lisbon like the Charter of Fundamental Rights, which the EU should have no power over. What the hell was that doing in there, and I smelled a rat.

    But I honestly can’t believe how the EU has reacted to a decision passed by referendum by one of its members.

    The mask really has slipped. You are right when you say that no Irish politician can now talk about how Ireland has a veto on anything.

    We don’t and the really important thing for me is that this result has shown the pressure that our elected representatives must have been under to agree to this in the first place.

    If this is the contempt the EU treat the Irish electorate with in front of the world, I can only guess how they bullied our representatives in private.

    The idea that we give the people who have total disregard for our democratic wishes any more power is laughable. I’m finding it hard to even show a modicum of respect at this stage.

    My God, I sound like a total, complete and utter Europhope. It’s amazing what 3 days can do.

  • Different Drummer

    Sorry Mick

    I think someone is not only ‘out to lunch’ they may also be on holiday or elsewhere…

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  • BfB

    OMG, then, if we follow your line of thinking, we might even end up better off than America

    You wish. That opportunity has passed for Ireland. Get the hobnail boots out kids….maybe a brown shirt or two. And meet your new urpeen friend, Ben Dover.

  • Why shouldn’t the ratification process continue? That way we get to hear if any other country has objections to Lisbon, and what those objections are.

    Or do you think only Irish peoples objections matter? We need to see exactly where everyones thoughts lie, so we can sit down together and hammer out an update or replacement for Lisbon.

    There is nothing wrong with continuing the ratification process, to claim otherwise is severely insular.

  • joeCanuck

    Just love that democratic suggestion that you keep holding referenda until the plebs get fed up with the whole business and finally give the right answer.