TUV announces party officers

I am sorry if this is essentially a press release but I keep being asked what the TUV are doing in our possible mini crisis so here we go and the timing is remarkably good. The TUV had a central council meeting last night and elected party officers for the next year:President: William Ross
Leader: Jim Allister
Chairman: Ivor McConnell
Vice-chairman: Keith Harbinson
Secretary: Karen Boal
Treasurer: Kenny Loughrin
Press Officer: Sammy Morrison

In terms of the possibility of an early election, the chairman said:

“While we believe poll is highly unlikely, Traditional Unionists have nothing to fear from the electorate. Confirmation that Jeffrey Donaldson is to serve as the DUP director of elections is a great encouragement to our party. One recalls how the Lagan Valley MP was the one tasked with killing Traditional Unionist Voice at the Dromore by-election. If Mr Donaldson produces a repeat performance we can look forward to any election with a high degree of confidence.
Of course the current crisis at Stormont illustrates that the DUP cannot even change their leader without the agreement of the Provisional movement. Regardless of when the next election come up, I am sure ordinary Unionists will remember how closely wedded the DUP are to a party dedicated to the destruction of the Union.”

  • A Concerned Unionist in favour of Selling Out,

    Maybe you should ask Peter the Punt why he brought Allister back. Funny to read all this questioning of Allister’s integrity when it seems like he was the only one in the DUP who did’t sell out when the baubles of power were dangled before him. Perhaps that’s why you can’t stand him: JHA just shows up his former colleagues as the craven, time-serving donkeys they are.

    Oh and if I were you I wouldn’t bring up the subject of manifestos or I’ll start quoting back DUP manifesto positions that were dumped in their thirst for power.

    Blackmouth and Observer,

    I’d be happy to settle for dismantlement of the Army Council, a lengthy testing period of at least a year and a means of excluding SF from the institutions in the event of IRA default. (I’m not a member of TUV so if it takes a slightly different view from me, don’t bother typing “Split, split”.) Then we wouldn’t have the farce of the DUP covering up the truth about the Quinn murder just to save its own neck from Allister.

  • observer

    I’d be happy to settle for dismantlement of the Army Council, a lengthy testing period of at least a year and a means of excluding SF from the institutions in the event of IRA default. (I’m not a member of TUV so if it takes a slightly different view from me, don’t bother typing “Split, split”.) Then we wouldn’t have the farce of the DUP covering up the truth about the Quinn murder just to save its own neck from Allister.
    Posted by The Watchman on Jun 04, 2008 @ 06:44 PM

    Watchman, you seem to suggest the army council was behind the quinn murder, care to provide the evidence. Im sure many people would like to see it

  • observer

    halfpint, will allister still be leader when he loses his Euro seat

  • Observer

    Halfpint/TUV members /supporters. What is your Litmus test for SF in government, is it the same as Jims? How many really disagree with him, seems a lot

  • Half Pint

    Observer,

    “What is your Litmus test for SF in government, is it the same as Jims?”

    Yes, we both agree that mandatory coalition is undemocratic and an unworkable nonsense which leads to bad government – it will “always be objectionable to democrats”.

    Secondly, time has proved the IRA are perfectly capable of murder without their “Army Council” having to approve it at an extraordinary AGM.

    Now, answer me this – Peter Robinson is on record as saying it will be a “political lifetime” before policing and justice is devolved. Do you agree?

  • ersehole

    Turgon,

    you may wish to email the PRO of the TUV with the following translation I have kindly provided for his press release. Consider it a teaser, gratis.

    Uachtarán: Liam de Rossa
    Ceannaire: Seamus Mac Alasdair
    Cathaoirleach: Íobhair Mac Conail
    Vice-chairman: Coillte Harbinson
    Secretary: Karen ní Bhaoill
    Treasurer: Cionnaí Ó Luachra
    Press Officer: Somhairle Mac Muirís

    And you may have to be up early in the morning to catch the Treasurer.

  • Bigger Picture

    Sammy

    Given your more tuned in with the area I will bow to your knowledge,firends can so often be misleading! However I would still say that the more likely result of that split would be to put another nationalist close in a constituency with a 50/50 population. With a sixth seat being a run off between TUV/UUP and a nationalist party most likely SF

  • Bigger Picture

    On another issue,

    I find it amusing that TUVies are on here complaining of a treachery whenever the blogs above are all about the SF capitualtion in the face of unionists stopping their all-Ireland agenda.. How short sighted we can all be

  • Bigger Picture

    Ersehole

    What would the DUP’s translations be?

  • Half Pint

    Bigger Picture,
    “I find it amusing that TUVies are on here complaining of a treachery whenever the blogs above are all about the SF capitulation in the face of unionists stopping their all-Ireland agenda..”

    I find it amusing that someone thinks SF are not going to get a serious number of concessions here. When all this plays out we will see another series of concessions to SF.

  • observer

    What is your Litmus test for SF in government, is it the same as Jims?”

    Yes, we both agree that mandatory coalition is undemocratic and an unworkable nonsense which leads to bad government – it will “always be objectionable to democrats”.

    Secondly, time has proved the IRA are perfectly capable of murder without their “Army Council” having to approve it at an extraordinary AGM.

    Now, answer me this – Peter Robinson is on record as saying it will be a “political lifetime” before policing and justice is devolved. Do you agree?
    Posted by Half Pint on Jun 05, 2008 @ 12:25 AM

    Halfpint , do you understand the phrase “litmus Test”?

    Jims litmus test is NOT with mandatory coalition, but with the army council.

    Your post shows that you and your leader are deeply split on the issue. In fact youre statement about the Army Council makes a fool out of Jim and his insistance that it needs to go.

    So wonder how long Jim will ahve with such a split in his “party”

  • Half Pint

    observer,
    OK, you have got me – there is a HUGE division in TUV and there is absolutely NO suggestion that Jim would be anything other than keen to jump into bed with SF if the IRA came out and told us the Army Council was gone.

    Now that that’s settled, about political life times…

  • observer

    #

    observer,
    OK, you have got me – there is a HUGE division in TUV and there is absolutely NO suggestion that Jim would be anything other than keen to jump into bed with SF if the IRA came out and told us the Army Council was gone.

    Now that that’s settled, about political life times…
    Posted by Half Pint on Jun 05, 2008 @ 11:57 AM

    Halfpint, if you have a problem with Jims Litmus Test , take it up with him.
    Will he still be leader when he loses the Euro seat?

  • ersehole

    BP,

    DUP leadership cuurently has a lot of Anglo-Saxon surnames. Like Adams, Hartley and Maskey. Oh sorry, that’s the other mob.

    Not half as much fun as the true Gaels of the TUV. 🙂

  • Half Pint

    observer,
    Ignoring the question doesn’t make it go away.

  • Observer,

    You’re the last person who should be boring on about imaginary splits when your party of supposed Superprods couldn’t stick to a bottom line under pressure. As for the Euro election, your party won’t be able to put up anyone that Allister won’t shred on the hustings.

  • Blooper

    The Watchman

    “Shred on the hustings”? Sorry, but why would you think Allister will feature on the hustings? Europe will be a four-party fight and Allister will be getting around the same sort of coverage as Eamon McCann last time.

    Furthermore, I have never seen Allister “shred” anyone, unless by “shred” you mean sneering obnoxious behaviour that puts people right off.

  • observer

    #

    Observer,

    You’re the last person who should be boring on about imaginary splits when your party of supposed Superprods couldn’t stick to a bottom line under pressure. As for the Euro election, your party won’t be able to put up anyone that Allister won’t shred on the hustings.
    Posted by The Watchman on Jun 05, 2008 @ 01:43 PM

    Watchman, the facts are that Allisters only objection to having SF in government is the Army council. His party, as shown by halfpint, disagrees, i think thats a split, dont you?

  • observer

    As for the Euro election, your party won’t be able to put up anyone that Allister won’t shred on the hustings.
    Posted by The Watchman on Jun 05, 2008 @ 01:43 PM

    I remember McCartneys supporters saying the same about Hermon during the westminster elections

  • Blooper

    “I remember McCartneys supporters saying the same about Hermon during the westminster elections”

    Good point.

  • Half Pint

    observer,
    Your party leader says policing and justice cannot be devolved for a political life time. Your silence suggests you disagee.

    Am I wrong?

  • …. that Allister won’t shred on the hustings.

    The only thing that Allister is likely to ‘shred’ on the hustings is the unionist vote. Since unionism gets (let’s be generous) just over 50%, and nationalism soething aroung 45%, then it doesn’t take a genius to work out that a serious TUV campaign will deliver a second Euro-seat to nationalism!

    I’m warming to the man even as I type this …

  • observer

    #

    observer,
    Your party leader says policing and justice cannot be devolved for a political life time. Your silence suggests you disagee.

    Am I wrong?
    Posted by Half Pint on Jun 05, 2008 @ 02:45 PM

    halfpint Peter robinson has said that P+J will only be devolved when there is confidence to do so.

    Can you point to Jims new litmus test for SF in government? His old one is WAY out of step with your own beliefs.

  • Bigger Picture

    “I find it amusing that someone thinks SF are not going to get a serious number of concessions here.”

    Sorry I will deal with reality rather than conspiracy theories that rotate around concessions at every turn.

    Why give concessions now when they have thrown in their one piece of leverage,by renominating MMG? Now that it is done what can SF actually do that means the DUP actually have to give any concessions. All they agreed to where “talks” but if “talks” do not go SF’s way, what are they gonna do? pull the whole thing down again? Fine by me, I will be happy to fight an election on the basis that SF are not getting their way at Stormont because a strong unionist party in government is stopping them. What is SF and the TUV’s alternative? To return to Direct Rule – I know where my interest lies.

    The TUV did not want an election on that basis, a far harder sell it would have been than Dromore, when all that sufficed was Jim Allister and Keith Harbinson parading a picture of the Chuckle Bros around Dromore. Post chuckle and with a clearer message that they are thwarting SF, with plenty of sounbites from the past week, the DUP may just be harder to break down than the dromore by-election would have suggested. I’m not saying they wouldn’t get votes, I just think with the DUP re-energized thanks to SF’s petulance, with a clearer message and a clearer purpose, the TUV may have set a very high water mark. Could be well wrong, hard to know with no solid national statistics to refer to.

    “As for the Euro election, your party won’t be able to put up anyone that Allister won’t shred on the hustings.”

    I think anyone could seriously take on Allister by sticking to a coherent message and this week shows that when SF are under pressure form their grass roots because the DUP are stopping their republican agenda, then I think the argument for supporting him is severely weakened. Of course their is the betrayal, and the high moralists, dry your eyes politics is a dirty game and if the only way to defeat your enemy is to lie beside them then so be it, in the end, I will be honest, all that matters to me is the outcome of this whole saga shows that SF are not happy with Stormont because they cannot deliver on packages that would tie NI closer to the ROI, because the DUP have stopped them at every turn.

    I’ll not get into personalities because personally I think it’s not right, it’s all about your message and delivery. Heck I’d vote for Gordon Brown is his message was sound!

  • Bigger Picture

    I would add that the comments above are my own personal views before people start accusing me of broken promises etc. It’s my view, others actually in the DUP may differ

  • Don’t fool yourself about “splits”, Observer, you’re just having a DUP wet dream. Besides, if TUV wasn’t putting the wind up the New DUP, the Punt would not have referred to it in his speech this afternoon. Don’t remember the DUP ever expending any energy on McCartney.

    No splits in the DUP of course, understandably enough, given all the salaries and expenses your MLAs and their families are hoovering up.

    Oh, so policing and justice comes when there is “confidence”? That is Punt-speak to mean that it will happen when the Punt thinks he can get away with it. Once upon a time, there would have been muck from the DUP flying at Trimble fos saying that. But not now.

  • “a strong unionist party in government”

    Oh really? The party that had trouble getting its new leader elected as First Minister? The party that could be turfed into an election at a time of Sinn Fein’s choosing by the resignation of McGuinness? The party that once ruled out devolution of police and justice for a political lifetime, but which will agree to it once there is “confidence”?

    We do need a “strong unionist party”, but it will be led by Jim Allister, not the Punt. Let’s hope for an election soon. It’s about time we had some proper unionists up at Stormont.

  • Umpa Lumpa

    “anyone ruling TUV out in North Belfast either doesn’t know the area or is a well known Skegoneill DUP hack deluding himself that he couldn’t lose his council seat to them.”

    If you are refering to Ian Crozier, I think he has a God-damn better chance of a seat in Castle than others……say yourself.

    Look at some of the other potential candidates…Gerry Lynch perhaps. Can you imagine something like that going into Whitewell or Mount Vernon to canvass? He would be laughed out of the place.

    But by the way – save Whitewell library! (if it gets my mug in the local provo rag). No names!

  • ggn

    “Uachtarán: Liam” Rosach

    The Gaelic for Ross in Scotlanad is Rosach.

    “Ceannaire: Seamus Mac Alasdair
    Cathaoirleach: Íomhair” Mac Dhomhnail

    McConnell is actually form Mac Dhomhnaill rather than Mac Conaill.

    Vice-chairman: Harbinson

    The sole non Gaelic name – though I will have to check!

    “Secretary: ní Bhaoill
    Treasurer: Cionnaí Ó Luachrain”

    Press Officer: Somhairle Mac Muirís

    actually Moireasdain is more likely.

    It just shows the histotical irony! All but one of the TUV of Gaelic origin!!!

    Interesting at least.

  • ggn

    Whoops

    “All but one of the TUV of Gaelic origin!!!”

    Should read of course ….

    All but one of the TUV *SURNAMES* of Gaelic origin!!!

  • observer

    Oh dear, seems like the TUVites are upset because their leader Jim isnt as hard line as they are.

    Jims litmus test is simple: get rid of the army council for SF to have access to government

    WOnder why he didnt tell his followers that?

  • Imula

    Pity Jim couldn’t come clean and spell out his stance on power sharing with SF.

    It’s left to Philip – I mean half pint – to do his dirty work.

  • Bigger Picture

    “Oh really? The party that had trouble getting its new leader elected as First Minister?”

    Yes because SF did not like the fact that they could not fulfill their all-Ireland agenda at Stormont with the DUP there

    “The party that could be turfed into an election at a time of Sinn Fein’s choosing by the resignation of McGuinness?”

    Yes true but as has been said previously by Fair_deal, PB and others, a resignation to trigger an election is different, rather than the situation that unfolded this. Opportunism it may be a far more difficult one to pull off to the entire electorate and something that SF would have a very hard time convincing that it is neccessary for any other reason other than to try and fill their own boots. A very unlikely scenario but then again something I am prepared to base an election on.

    “The party that once ruled out devolution of police and justice for a political lifetime, but which will agree to it once there is “confidence”?”

    Why is punt so keen to “sell out” on this issue? If there is no appetite in unionism why does anyone have to say that it has to be devolved on any time scale? SF have given up their leverage. Why therefore would he be so keen to do it?

    I liked Campbell’s line as new DCAL Minister, “There wasn’t an ILA yesterday, there isn’t one today and there won’t be one tommorrow.” To be a fly on the wall on those discussions.

    Confidence is hardly a quantifiable term, do not wet yourself just because linguo changed, you probably did the same when the DUP stopped saying no to powersharing with SF and instead yes to a Fair Deal for unionists.

    “It’s about time we had some proper unionists up at Stormont.”

    Aw you see at the end you just want your snout in the trough as well, eh Watchman ;)?! I’ll pull up a space for you!

    Feel free to reply Watchman although to be honest i’ve commented on this subject all week so I’ll be taking a break but hope to talk to you again soon.

    All the best

  • ppprionsias

    ggn,

    The Gaelic for Ross in Scotlanad is Rosach

    An-shuimiúl ar ffffad.

    FFFFFáilte go h-Éireann 😉

  • As to the extent to which the DUP can thwart the north-south agenda, we shall see. Of course, the Punt was saying in 1998 how disastrous the Belfast Agreement was in this direction. But we shall see.

    The problem for the DUP, as Bigger Picture has conceded, is that it could be forced into an election if Sinn Fein chooses to play hardball over things like an Irish Language Act. It seems likely that the DUP would have the most to fear out of all the parties. Its performance in government hasn’t been impressive, the UUs have a spring in their step and Allister is waiting in the undergrowth. It could do badly enough to end up as only the second biggest party and thanks to the changes negotiated by Messrs Punt, JD, Bullick and Johnston, that would make McGuinness First Minister. Looks like the Shinners have the Punt by his cojones.

  • Blackmouth

    Half Pint/Philip

    Maybe you could tell us if the Army Council were disbanded (Daddy did call it the “litmus test” after all) would you support going into government with Sinn Fein?

  • Half Pint

    Blackmouth,

    First of all, don’t kid yourself into thinking you know who I am. You obviously don’t have a clue about my identity.

    Jim Allister laid what support for the rule of law means:
    1 An increased conviction rate, resulting not only from statements to the police but evidence being given in court, not just in high profile cases, like the McCartney murder, but in all cases.
    Hasn’t happened.
    2. Then, there is the important issue of the return of ill-gotten gains, highlighted by Dr Paisley MP as essential, both at St Andrews and in the News Letter on 30 December 2006. Clearly, Sinn Fein has far to travel in this regard. Wholehearted support for the rule of law will see an end to Sinn Fein’s fatuous denial that the IRA was responsible for the Northern Bank robbery. You can’t be in support of the rule of law and the police and at the same time repudiate the intelligence findings of the police in order to excuse and accept “the word” of an illegal organisation.

    Hasn’t happened.

    3. Critically, there is the pivotal issue of the warped republican view of criminality. Less than 2 years ago Mitchell McLaughlin declared on RTE that though the IRA murder of mother of 10, Jean McConville, was “wrong”, it was not a “crime”! Evidently, such a perverted view of criminality would make a nonsense of support for the rule of law.

    Gildernew says it’s OK to carry a gun so, yes, you guessed it – hasn’t happened.

    4. Finally, the daily actions of Sinn Fein leaders must match their words. Glorification of terrorist acts is wholly incompatible with support for the rule of law. Three days after Adams spoke in Dublin of Sinn Fein preparing to support the police, he was in Fermanagh glorifying two IRA terrorists who met their just deserts when they attacked a police station!

    They still glorify terror.

    That’s just when he was in the DUP on the rule of law. TUV policy on power sharing is spelt out very clearly here http://www.jimallister.co.uk/uploads/Fortnight_Magazine_Article__274.pdf

    The bottom line is this – TUV object to madatory coalition as undemocratic.

  • Bigger Picture

    Watchman

    I really object to you using that statement, as it is out of context to what I was pointing out. They could yes but that in itself has more pitfalls for the Republican movement than the chance when the DUP change their leader, a chance to squeeze rather than a chance to wreck. The DUP wouldn’t have much to fear in those circumstances, as a clearer msg would emerge rather than the muddle that was Dromore, I truly believe you are setting yourself up for a fall. As for me, next time try to be a bit cleaverer in putting my name to statements, I’ll have you up for libel, young man plus it stinks of desperation and simply paints you as someone whojust hates the DUP full stop and aint even prepared to debate isses that come up. Rather you just fire the bull s**t up for others to come back to you on.

    Try putting up a coherent argument for a change.

  • observer

    The bottom line is this – TUV object to madatory coalition as undemocratic.
    Posted by Half Pint on Jun 06, 2008 @ 01:14 PM

    Half Pint, could you give your definitation of litmus test, because what you`re saying is out of whack with Allisters. His litmus test is the disbandment of the Army Council… the rest are issues which are to be worked on , but HIS LITMUS TEST is the army council.

    He said so himself, he really did. Honestly. Ask him yourself

  • observer

    WHy did you get a leader so out of what with party policy? Looks like its going to be UKUP/NIUP all over again.

  • ZoonPol

    How is madatory coalition undemocratic Half Pint?

  • Steve

    half pint
    Wholehearted support for the rule of law will see an end to Sinn Fein’s fatuous denial that the IRA was responsible for the Northern Bank robbery. You can’t be in support of the rule of law and the police and at the same time repudiate the intelligence findings of the police in order to excuse and accept “the word” of an illegal organisation.

    Inteligence findings perhaps but not a thread of hard evidence! So denial holds till someone produces evidence as opposed to opinion. Thankfully in the modern time Opinion is not enough for a conviction even if you are a republican