Twittering the London election…

For those of you curious enough to want to follow the Ken Boris London deathmatch, I’ll be twittering updates you can follow on the right hand side of Slugger, just belong the latest comments field… alternatively, you can register with Twitter and join in the chat…

  • Dewi

    Got a pretty bad feeling about today from the progressive point of view. Think London is lost and see quote below from refreshingly honest Nick Bourne – Welsh Tory leader.

    Betsan

    “The Conservatives are upbeat. What was described just a few weeks ago with touching honesty as ‘a lack of hatred’ on Welsh doorsteps is now, we’re told by leader Nick Bourne, actual ‘warmth’.”

  • Note for Dewi – Welsh nationalism and language extremism is not progressive.

  • RepublicanStones

    the London debate on sky news a few days ago was good steam. Is it true one of Boris’ big ideas is to replace bendy buses with new double deckers?

  • Dewi

    Note for Chekov – LOL – each to his own but I’m not at all extreme about any language – what was a bit extreme was:
    Treachery of the Blue Books
    and:
    Welsh Knot
    In my humble opinion.
    Back on topic Lib Dem transfers in London will be fascinating….

  • Rory

    Look and Learn for Chekov:

    The resurgent progress of nationality in a nation whose nationality has long been suppressed and obscenely misrepresented by the oppressor is of course progressive. It is indeed the very fact that it is progressive which rankles with reactionaries.

  • There is nothing progressive about ethnic nationalism.

  • Lafcadio

    more generally, i have noticed that people who proclaim themselves ‘progressive’ are almost invariably anything but..

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘There is nothing progressive about ethnic nationalism.’

    obviously you yearn for the ‘aul empire, when India et al knew her place.

    “I say Winston, those horrid brown people would still be living in caves if it wasn’t for us”

    “Quite so Reginald…more sherry?”

  • Dewi

    “There is nothing progressive about ethnic nationalism.”

    Sorry – who is being ethnic ? What does that mean?

  • Rory

    “… i have noticed that people who proclaim themselves ‘progressive’ are almost invariably anything but..”

    If a man, because of his support for progressive political movement, is identified as a “progressive” by others then it would be widely accepted that he is indeed so.

    If a man describes himself as a progressive and does nothing to support progressive political movement then it is clear that he isn’t really.

    In the same way we have the unlikely phenomenon of self-named “Caring Conservatives” and “Genuine Christians”.

  • “The resurgent progress of nationality in a nation whose nationality has long been suppressed and obscenely misrepresented by the oppressor is of course progressive.”

    The Welsh nationality is not being ‘suppressed’ or ‘misrepresented’ and no constituent part of the UK is being ‘oppressed’. Everyone is free to express and enjoy their perceived national identity in the UK.

    “It is indeed the very fact that it is progressive which rankles with reactionaries.”

    Nationalism is not progressive. Political nationalism is at its heart a regressive, tribal instinct. Seeking to break up a multi-national United Kingdom is regressive.

    “Sorry – who is being ethnic ? What does that mean?”

    It refers to the core tenet of political nationalism which seeks to prescribe a national community by setting up the imagined nation against a perceived other. You can observe it at close quarters on Slugger with repeated pejorative references to the evil ‘Brits’ and English.

    “If a man, because of his support for progressive political movement, is identified as a “progressive” by others then it would be widely accepted that he is indeed so.””

    If nationalist parties are identified as progressive then they are being misidentified.

    “If a man describes himself as a progressive and does nothing to support progressive political movement then it is clear that he isn’t really.”

    And if a man describes himself as a progressive and yet supports a nationalist party, then he isn’t really.

  • Dewi

    Chekov – “setting up the imagined nation”

    I imagined my nation? Are you having a laugh?

  • Er … no. Do you think it dropped from the sky preordained?

  • Dewi

    But did I like make it up do you think ?

  • I’d be surprised if you did personally. I get the impression that the point about nations being invented, being works of the human imagination is lost on you.

  • RepublicanStones

    I suppose anyone who seeks to preserve the last vestiges of the old colonial empire and an artificial statlet established based upon a sectarian headcount is progressive.

  • Dewi

    “I get the impression that the point about nations being invented, being works of the human imagination is lost on you.”

    Ah right – a collective human imagination thing invented Wales. Bollocks

  • Great to hear that Plaid Cymru have started to get a pasting.

  • Dewi

    Steady progress actually Chekov – ignore the headlines – look at the substance…8 net gains so far and the day is young.

  • Lafcadio

    Rory – I’m speaking about commentators and politicians of the left who seem to have adopted the umbrella ‘progressive’ to cover their various schools of thought or ideologies.

    Now this may seem reasonable in respect of certain totems of the left, like opposition to discrimination on the basis of race, gender what have you – but I find myself shaking my head involuntarily when self-proclaimed ‘progressives’ laud rather ugly autocrats like Chavez, or make common cause with Islamist extremists, or claim that the downsides to communism are overplayed (you know all the shortages, censorship, secret police, gulags, genocides and so on). The term progressive seems to have been adopted as a rather mendacious piece of branding, implying that anyone holding different views is ‘regressive’

    (btw I’m not saying that Dewi necessarily holds any of these views, just remarking on the hijacking of the word..)

  • cladycowboy

    Hi Lafcadio,

    I agree entirely with the misappropriation of words by politicians. It’s so infuriating that i can’t continue to watch political ‘debate’ these days.

    Downsides to Communism are underplayed. Whether the USSR would still be in existence if it hadn’t had a pyschopath in charge and had the world’s strongest economic and military power in direct oppostion to it, is, however, another matter.

    What’s the beef with Chavez though? He hasn’t killed or imprisoned anybody. You can hardly blame him for being a little paranoid and strongarm whenever the US are undermining him and targetting him every step of the way.