Maze matters

Edwin Poots has confirmed that the £70m earmarked for the Maze could be re-assigned to other departmental priorities if the decision is not to proceed with the new stadium. This could help address the Olympic cuts in lottery funding as well as the Ulster-Scots and Irish language strategies the Executive has to produce. Derry City FC have already an idea of how they can spend £5m of it and are getting support from local MLA’s.

  • RG Cuan

    If Pootsie continues to claim there is no money for Irish language projects and schemes after this £70m is handed back, he should be asked to resign.

    At least he’d have the time to reconsider his views on the creation of the earth 😉

  • Briso

    “Derry City FC have already an idea of how they can spend £5m of it”

    Good luck City! I think the IFA should make sure the IL teams get their proposals together too. Would be great for local football. Both the Glens and Blues could put it to good use I’m sure, and others.

  • George

    Is this 70 million out of the 111 million capital investment programme set out between now and 2011?

    If it is then I would assume that a lot of it is already earmarked as Sport NI has already provisionally allocated 55 million as part of the pre-2012 runup.

    Taking that sport generally gets around 8-10 million a year, that leaves us with a potential extra nest egg somewhere in the region of 17-20 million.

    If Derry City get 5 million (with another 5 million from the Irish government), then Windsor will want 5. The other 10 would be split between the IRFU and the GAA.

    How to go from talk of a 240-million stadium down to peanuts for the IFA, GAA and IRFU in no time at all.

  • Briso

    Posted by George on Apr 28, 2008 @ 04:54 PM
    “Is this 70 million out of the 111 million capital investment programme set out between now and 2011?

    If it is then I would assume that a lot of it is already earmarked as Sport NI has already provisionally allocated 55 million as part of the pre-2012 runup.”

    I don’t see how it could have been earmarked for the Maze AND Sport NI for 2012. Must be different money surely?

  • George

    Briso,
    I know but the total budget is set at 111 million and Sport NI have “provisionally” allocated 55 million.

    I can’t imagine that it is 181 million.

  • Briso

    But George, that would imply Poots was talking through his hat! I’m sure we can all agree that’s just not possible.

  • Paul

    “If Derry City get 5 million (with another 5 million from the Irish government), then Windsor will want 5. The other 10 would be split between the IRFU and the GAA.

    In a fair society, I’d expect all allocation on improved spectator accomodation to be in line with demonstrable need.

    I would expect gaelic football, the most attended sport in Northern Ireland, to be the biggest beneficiary.

    If the DUP do scupper this, the GAA should quickly draw up plans for a 40k stadium of its own to gobble up the lions share of any funds available.

  • oneill

    In a fair society, I’d expect all allocation on improved spectator accomodation to be in line with demonstrable need.

    Does the Ulster GAA have a demonstrable need for a 40,000 new stadium… or do you not actually mean that it has a demonstrable need to upgrade its present venues?

    Considering the likely outcome of the last proposed 40,000 new stadium for which nobody (except SF, Poots and Donaldson) had any demonstrable need, I think you’ve a bigger chance of achieving that last option to be honest.

  • Ard Eoin

    What century are we living in?
    Does sabre rattling and coat-trailing prevent what would be a good investment for the future of the statelet?
    I was never in favour of the ‘national’ stadium idea at the maze and questioned why the GAA backed it. The only reasons Poots had to present the idea was that the assembly know that:
    1.The land is owned by the government and would be best used by them.
    2. The site of the prison hospital, H-Block and cage are now listed/protected buildings and would have to be included in any scheme for the site.

    Scrap the idea of the stadium and fund a museum on the site or the executive are stuck with land they can’t do anything with. Give proper respect to minority languages and fund sport as is required by each body. Maybe even give a few quid to the arts, that sorts everybody.

  • truth and justice

    Hurry up and ditch the maze nobody wants it.

  • slug

    “Scrap the idea of the stadium and fund a museum on the site or the executive are stuck with land they can’t do anything with. ”

    Couldn’t the Maze site be sold to the private sector, to raise money to help build a Belfat stadium?

  • C

    “Hurry up and ditch the maze nobody wants it”
    Plenty of people want it, and to waste the opportunity through sheer narrow-minded, politically-motivated pettiness would be a crying shame.

    “Couldn’t the Maze site be sold to the private sector, to raise money to help build a Belfat stadium?”
    Belfast is not the place for a new stadium. There’s nowhere for it. The problems caused when any amount of traffic arrives in Belfast is horrendous. It can’t cope with what it already has without adding a new stadium. Besides, there is life outside Belfast. The new stadium is intended for the people of Northern Ireland, not just Belfast.

  • “The new stadium is intended for the people of Northern Ireland, not just Belfast. “

    What kind of argument is that anyway?

    The new stadium is intended for the people of Northern Ireland, not just Magherageery (stop trying to pretend it’s even in Lisburn ffs).

    In fact I’m pretty sure you could stick any proposed place name in there, it would remain equally as meaningless. The fact is Belfast is the most accessible location for most folk – thanks to three motorways, an airport (and buses from another), the docks, being the centre of bus and train networks… not to mention actually having places to stay and other things to do (shops, bars, restaurants) over the course of the day.

  • willowfield

    C

    Belfast is not the place for a new stadium.

    Yeah, and all the world experts who have identified through study and research that city locations are preferable to rural locations for sports stadia are wrong! You know better!

    There’s nowhere for it.

    I think 4 or 5 sites have been identified!

    The problems caused when any amount of traffic arrives in Belfast is horrendous.

    Really? If you think that, why on earth are you advocating a rural setting where the problems would be ten times as bad?

    It can’t cope with what it already has without adding a new stadium.

    Really? Give some examples of this inability to cope and explain how a rural setting would cope with the traffic!

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Lisburn and Castlereagh were once known as Ulidia and with the Maze situated within that area, there might be the possibility to remember he inauguration stone of the Kings of Ulster ( Ulidia) at the maze?

  • Willowfield, take it that’s where you are from??

    and beano as well you have given me something to smile about.
    Firstly beano

    The new stadium is intended for the people of Northern Ireland, not just Magherageery (stop trying to pretend it’s even in Lisburn ffs).

    Same could be said about the duncrue site in the north foreshore ( would that not be newtownabbey LOL)

    And it is in Lisburn although most people know it as Halftown these days.

    Willowfield as you said it is preferable to have it in a City preferable when its affordable to build within the City and the constraints on the city are increased threefold.

    Willowfield in answer to your second query:
    Really? If you think that, why on earth are you advocating a rural setting where the problems would be ten times as bad?

    How would they be 10 times as bad considering you can purposefully build road networks to cope (oh there is also the old rail line that can be reopened considering coke are going to start using the line and it also connects it to all parts of the North)

    And you wanted an example of how Belfast cant cope

    1. Windsor Parking nightmare and also the fact it takes about 90 mins to get back on the go again after a match and with the team gaining popularity its getting worse)

    2. The odyssey I know someone mentioned 3 motorways hope you weren’t including the M3 in that and just the M1 M2 and M5 as the M3 turns into a parking area when there is anything big on at the odyssey be it the BFAST giants or some concert. That place is great!!!!!!! for keeping you waiting.

    I think the problem is that too many people think that Belfast is the be all and end all when it comes to Northern Ireland wake up!!!!! its not…. there is more out there!!!!!