DUP to support mandatory coalition in councils?

Jim Allister has made a speech tonight at a meeting in Portrush. He is claiming that part of the deal between the DUP and SF over the 11 councils will include a D’Hondt style mandatory coalition in the councils. This is odd considering that the DUP claim to be aiming to end the mandatory coalition at Stormont. If so surely this will weaken their negotiating position on such matters or maybe agreeing to D’Hondt was part of the price along with the 11 councils they had to pay to get next year’s elections suspended. Jim Allister also raises the question of what sanctions might be taken against anyone refusing to work the mandatory coalition arrangements. I will put the statement below the fold:“Though the ballot is today achieving more for them than the bullet, it is not their only weapon – the murder of Paul Quinn is striking enough evidence of that, but in addition they are waging a cultural war, motivated by the same obsession of eradicating every last vestige of Britishness from Ulster. Hence the concerted campaign in local councils, from Banbridge to Limavady. Now, to be followed by the same insatiable republican agenda in Stormont. At the same time they republicanise our public roads and spaces with odious monuments to butchering terrorists. And all this from those some foolishly acclaim as having “bought into the British state”. Knaves and fools are always a dangerous combination. But when they are joined in government it brings the sort of spectacle we’ve had for the past year.

Now, I fear, we are poised to see the same visited on local government. The DUP promised 15 councils, but, post Dromore, in order to avoid elections in 2009, they hurriedly struck a deal with IRA/Sinn Fein for 11, but the full price extracted by the Shinners has not yet been revealed. It is concealed by the wrapping that is called “equality measures”. You will note Minister Foster has been deliberately vague on what conceding this Sinn Fein demand entails. I call on her to be upfront and clear on exactly what has been agreed. My suspicion is that we are going to see the institutionalising of mandatory coalition under de Hondt throughout local government, so that republicans are guaranteed places of importance in every council, even the most unionist. At the same time I suspect punitive measures will be put in place to deal with unionists who reject such rigged arrangements, all in the name of Sinn Fein inspired “equality measures”.

If mandatory coalition is indeed institutionalised in local government it gives the lie to the pretence that in time it will be phased out at Stormont. How could the DUP hope to deliver voluntary coalition at Stormont if DUP Minister Foster imposes mandatory coalition in local government? Such a diet of false promise is for the fairies.”

  • CS Parnell

    Terrible, innit. Taigs all over the shop.

  • Truth & Justice

    This is rather sad Allaister is making it up as he goes along catch yourself on.The only thing he has to offer is more misery inflict on the Unionist population and joint authority

  • Gregory

    Have you ever met him?

  • Elvis parker

    Apparently he’s know as Roger Rabbit

  • fair_deal

    Council’s don’t have an Executive but we’ll find out when Foster gives her speech in the Assembly after Easter.

    Here are the DOE Taskforce recommendations on these issues (Note it is pdf file):
    http://www.doeni.gov.uk/lgrt_gov_recommendations_to_the_taskforce.pdf

    From a quick scan on the allocation of council positions it mentions a range of mechanisms
    “It is anticipated that guidance will detail a range of models that may be used, e.g. d’Hondt, St Lague, STV, ‘Quota Greatest Remainder’ etc. There will need to be a clear procedure by which a Council agrees on the model to be used, including a possible ‘default’ if no agreement is reached and a requirement that any variations from a particular model must be signed-off by the Minister.”

    Also there is no explicity community veto in the proposals there is a general minority protection:

    “Where 20% of the total membership of the Council is concerned by a decision of the Council the relevant Councillors may use the power of ‘call in’, similar to a Petition of Concern in the Assembly. This will delay the enactment of the decision in question and necessitate a 75% voting majority in favour to proceed.”

  • The Raven

    Oh dear. This is very complicated. Though perhaps the clearout of the old before the next election will usher in some who will perhaps be able to read. And maybe even write.

    It will make a pleasant difference.

    Actually, I don’t know why we’re bothering. We already have 108 people at Stormont who still think and act like they’re Councillors.

    Having said that, I was sat in a room with a young DUP councillor the other week…other people were there too, so I couldn’t hit him….but truly, if there was ever a moment where I wanted to run for election based solely on “Vote for me, because I’m not a bigoted, arrogant, “I’ve passed the test of the electorate” c**t” THAT was the moment.

    Arrogance epitomised, it was.

    Sorry. That was an OT rant, and I apologise. I’ll put the dangerous pointy implement down now.

  • Gregory

    i met him a wee while ago (for the first time). He has an office just up the Holywood Road from Lord Lair’s old office se to be, it’s across from the Strand Cinema. He’s a nice big office, quite smart.

  • Bigger Picture

    I am not even going to acknowledge Jim Allister on this subject Turgon. In the DUP he was quite happy to have 7 councils with protections built in for minorities on the same basis of voting that is currently in the assembly. Has he completely whitewashed his memory? I am losing respect for this man by the day, I didn’t mind when he was criticising what was happening with the chuckle brothers because i agreed with him. However in his attempts to now attack the DUP he is going against everything he said previously in the DUP. Meanwhile we have no constructive ideas on how to improve the situation, which i would be quite happy to see, instead just pointless sniping.

    Turgon you are welcome to continue on plowing through this rubbish but if you would like to actually do something about the current situations i strongly suggest that you reconsider your position in the TUV and get involved where you can put your talents to good use and actually get results instead of this mindless tirade.

    regards,

  • T.Ruth

    Allister has always struck me as a pathetic, bitter, self interested, arrogant little man. He is also a vicious and dangerous power seeker wanting to cling onto his MEP position by any means. He also wants to create a support base that will enable him to be an MLA. In many respects he is the reincarnation of Big Bob but with a smaller brain and less charisma.There I go again,sitting on the fence.

    Allister supported every recent DUP manifesto. He helped frame DUP policy and was totally supportive of it.He was a major contributing player in negotiations delivering the better deal for Unionists that was the St.Andrew’s Agreement. Now he is trying to sell to the gullible and fearful the notion that benign direct rule from London was or might still be an available option for Unionists.

    Like Bob Mccartney he will fade from the political consciousness of people almost as quickly after the next EU election.These twin legal eagles see life in black and white and concentrate energy on establishing and telling us what events happened. Politics is about seeing what can be made happen and requires a different mentality altogeher.

    Meantime Allister and those who follow him are dangerous to the peace process which has a long hard road ahead before it is reified or institutionalised,whatever is the correct term. Peace building requires skill,patience and a willingness to seek accommodation and compromise without sacrificing democratic principle.It also requires all involved to recognise the reality of their contribution to forty years of civil and community strife. But it will concentrate its energy on the next forty years and the action and effort required to ensure our children’s lives are not blighted as ours have been.

    Those tempted to support him should recognise that people like Allister want to drag us back to the past at a time when when we need people with vision and courage to help us shape a democratic future.Thankfully there have been many such people working patiently away for many years at interfaces all over the province.

    We are not required to forget the activities of those who were engaged in criminal terrorist groups; not required to forget all the atrocities or the innocent law abiding victims; or the betrayal of every decent principle that places terrorists in positions of power. We are not required to forgive or forget the betrayal of the Unionist people by successive British governments prepared to sacrifice anything to protect mainland Britain.

    Allister does not have a monoply on feeling resentment regarding these things.But that is were we are today.

    Unionism today needs people to help it unite around a set of common principles that will enable it to preserve the protection of the majority British community’s democratic right to remain within the United Kingdom. A confident forward looking Unionism can secure the Union for all time if we work together to achieve that end.Allister and his supporters are not part of that project.
    T.Ruth

  • T.Ruth

    Allister is a pathetic, bitter, self interested arrogant little man, but he is also a vicious and dangerous little power seeker wanting to cling onto his MEP position by any means. He also wants to create a support base that will enable him to be an MLA. In many respects he is the reincarnation of Big Bob but with a smaller brain and less charisma.There I go again,sitting on the fence.

    Allister supported every recent DUP manifesto. He helped frame DUP policy and was totally supportive of it.He was a major player in negotiations delivering the better deal for Unionists that was the St.Andrew’s Agreement. Now he is trying to sell to the gullible and fearful the notion that benign direct rule from London was or might still be an available option for Unionists.

    Like Bob Mccartney he will fade from the political consciousness of people almost as quickly after the next EU election.These twin legal eagles see life in black and white and concentrate energy on establishing and telling us what events happened. Politics is about seeing what can be made happen and requires a different mentality altogeher.

    Meantime Allister is dangerous to the peace process which has a long hard road ahead before it is reified or institutionalised,whatever is the correct term. Peace building requires skill,patience and willingness to seek accommodation and compromise.

    Those tempted to support him should recognise that people like Allister want to drag us back to the past at a time when when we need people with vision to help us shape a democratic future.

    We are not required to forget the activities of those who were engaged in criminal terrorist groups; or all the atrocities; or to forget the innocent law abiding victims and the betrayal of every decent principle that places terrorists in positions of power.We are not required to forgive or forget the betrayal of the Unionist people by successive British governments prepared to sacrifice anything to protect mainland Britain.
    Allister does not have a monoply on feeling resentment regarding these things

    But that is were we are today. Unionism needs people to help it unite around a set of common principles that will enable it to preserve the protection of the majority British community’s democratic right to remain within the United Kingdom. A confident forward looking Unionism can secure the Union for all time if we work together to achieve that end.Allister and his supporters are not part of that project.
    T.Ruth

  • Gregory

    “Allister is a pathetic, bitter, self interested arrogant little man, but he is also a vicious and dangerous little power seeker wanting to cling onto his MEP position by any means.”

    He looked a bit gobsmacked when I told him the DUP had welcomed hard-core porn merchants to Belfast, a civic reception no less,

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    Those people, that really happened, I’m not joking, those very same people, the power of Special Branch!

    Where was Ms SF Feminist?

    Where was Big Brother No1?

    The myopia of SF will ultimately be their undoing. C. Ruane is simply not as smart as Jim Gamble. As for the DUP, they were shafted in a right royal style.

    The EU withdrew recognition from the conference, the UUP issued a series of statements saying they were appalled and Jeffrey is potentially still thinking about it.

    I went up to see the MEP in question a few weeks ago to ask if he’d been told at the time, him having an EU portfolio etc.

    G.

    BIRNIE REPLIES TO
    CRITICISMS FROM CHILD EXPLOITATION AND ONLINE PROTECTION CENTRE

    Esmond Birnie UUP
    spokesman on Children and the Family (formerly UUP MLA South Belfast)

    “It is not every day
    that one is criticised as “incorrect” and “potentially reckless” so
    when this happens— in a letter to me from Mr Jim Gamble Head of Child
    Exploitation and Online Protection Centre— I take it seriously. The
    root of all this is the criticism which I made at the time, and since,
    of a conference on child protection and the internet (Virtual Global
    Taskforce) in Belfast’s Waterfront November 2005.

    That conference had
    representatives from the pornography industry along with NGOs involved
    in child welfare— a sort of mixing of the wolves along with the sheep.

    I am glad that Mr Gamble’s
    letter to me at least concedes that there were pornographers at this
    conference. He tries to draw a tight distinction between the “adult”
    industry and the exploitation of children. I fear, and suggest that
    experience bears this out, that that industry inevitability involves
    exploitation too and also acts to entice children into illegal activity.
    The office of the Prime
    Minister 12 January 2006 established a direct relationship between
    adult & child pornography. The U.S. definition of a child
    pornography service is a service that sells child pornography. Blair’s
    hybrid definition of an ‘adult’ service selling child pornography
    publicly broke with the U.S. view.

    Strangely, Mr Gamble seems to
    lean heavily on the supposed endorsement of the European Commission for
    the Waterfront Conference. The EC have in fact distanced themselves
    from it.”

    Esmond Birnie

  • T.Ruth is indeed stranger than fiction.