Coalition partners seek clarification of account

The ripples from the evidence to the Mahon Tribunal last week seem to be unsettling the coalition. Both John Gormley, of the Green Party, and Mary Harney, from the PDs, have called on Taoiseach Bertie Ahern to clarify his account. Another Minister of State, Bertie Noel Ahern, disagrees. More from Cian at Irish Election.

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  • joeCanuck

    I’m beginning to think, Pete, that Bertie had better dismount before the horse throws him.
    When all this started I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because of the (initially) relatively small amounts involved, but he’s looking shakier and shakier .

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    I dont believe the plain (but extremely stupid in elections) people of Ireland actually believed Berty crying on the telly – a scene easily worked into a Father Ted script – but were simply more worried about house prices.

    Hopefully the warriors of corruption will stand behind no-cheque-book-Berty and this will cause the coalition to fracture and there will be a new election. With house prices falling even with the warriors in power hopefully the plain people will wake up and vote in a party that at least makes an attempt at honesty.

  • A N Other

    JoeCanuck,

    I’d hardly call sums totalling
    cIR£200,000 “relatively small sums”.

    Something stinks, and it ain’t the River Liffey…

    That’s what all the transactions add-up to when the dollar/punt & sterling/punt exchange rates on each transaction are allowed for.

    On a more general note – I don’t believe he was (that) corrupt, unlike Haughey – remember, he used his ill-gotten gains to fund a lavish egotistical lifestyle (and that of his mistress)…while telling everyone else to “tighten their belts” on the day in December 1980 when AIB accepted a once-off paymeny of IR£1m to wipe out his IR£1.8m debts.

    However, Bertie has serious questions to answer – planning corruption was rife in Dublin in the late 80s/mid 90s; IR£200,000 is worth over €500,000 in today’s money.

    Instead of corruption, I believe he took the cash to tide him over during a difficult & expensive separation.

    All that’s needed for any of these transactions to come within an asse’s roar of Owen O’Callaghan’s accounts/monies.

    Then it’ll really hit the fan…

  • A N Other

    Forgot to mention:-

    Mary Harney was nearly on the verge of tears last night when questioned by the media, after her clarification call.

    She’s spent 11 years closely working with Bertie; it’s obvious that she’s become good friends with him.

    She’s arguably one of his closest political colleagues; she also knows the game is up – as does your average Joe Punter in the South, whos is sick to the wisdom teeth of revelation…after revelation…after revelation.

    The nadir was hanging his secretary out to dry last week – a woman earning IR£66 p/w while she was his secretary, being threatened with perjury while the silence from FF was deafening…

  • joeCanuck

    A N, I guess you didn’t read the word I put in parenthesis.

  • A N Other

    No Joe, I read it alright…

    Indeed, it struck me as something Bertie might be saying himself whe he eventually gets caught in a cul-de-sac…

  • sammaguire

    “Hopefully the warriors of corruption will stand behind no-cheque-book-Berty and this will cause the coalition to fracture and there will be a new election. With house prices falling even with the warriors in power hopefully the plain people will wake up and vote in a party that at least makes an attempt at honesty.”

    Posted by It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it on Mar 28, 2008 @ 01:21 PM

    What a laugh! Delicious irony here! It’s not too long ago the Government was being blamed for rising house prices.

    Hopefully this new party that at least makes an attempt at honesty will demand unequivocally that Garret FitzGerald pays off the 200,000 Irish Pound write off that was made by his fellow party man and good pal AIB Chairman Peter Sutherland (that’s about 900,000 euro including interest in today’s money as Bertie’s detractor’s might say). Or maybe ethics are just for the FF rabble??

    At least Bertie has a valid excuse for his messy financial affairs and the plain people of Ireland know this.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    sammy eile maguire

    The level of corrpuption from the warriors of C. in local government and land re-zoning coupled with poor planning laws which no-bank-account-even-though-I’m-minister-of-Finance-Berty and his motley band of tribunal stars allowed/promoted directly contributed to the over heated housing market.

    re.”Delicious irony here” Really?

    Without wishing to sound too patronising but I think you will find that there is a DIRECT link between house prices that rise too fast and their subsequently speedy decline.

    A N Other
    “On a more general note – I don’t believe he was (that) corrupt, unlike Haughey ”

    Berty wrote the fecking cheques for him – if Haughey had properly been charged in the courts Berty would have rightly gone down for aiding and abetting his mentor. Berty was part and parcel of the great Haughey robbery of the plain and at that point very poor people of Ireland.

  • A N Other

    Sammy McN,

    Bertie regarded as the most clever, most devious & most cunning of all wrote the cheques to curry favour with Haughey & to further his political career.

    He didn’t benefit financially from those cheques – unlike Haughey (this was all dealt with by an earlier module of the Moriarty Tribunal). He lives in a 3-bed semi in Drumcondra for fuck’s sake; hardly Shangrai-Lá…

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    A N Other

    Apart from the fact that dressing down and having a conservative lifestyle is not exactly unknown as a ruse to avoid suspicion of illegality it is fact that he was complicit in Haughey’s misdeeds that is the issue. He benefitted massively politically and personally from this association with the master crim himself and just because he wears an anorak and lives in Drumcondra does not mean that by any legal or moral standard he should not share the condemnation and the punishment i.e. at a minimum booted out of office and ideally a sizeable prison sentence.

  • For all of you who don’t believe Mr. Ahern was dodgy please watch this link:

    RTE’s Reeling in the Years interviews a young Mr. Ahern as Minister for Finance.

    Mr. Ahern: “It would actually give me the greatest of pleasure to watch non-compliant tax payers go to jail.”

    He made this statement in 1993 a time when he was receiving large sums into his personal bank accounts (and those of his daughters) upon which he had paid no tax.

    The truth will out

    http://citizenjon2008dublincastle.wordpress.com

  • sammaguire

    Garret FitzGerald’s write off conveniently ignored. Would the 200,000 pounds (900,000 euro in today’s money including interest) have been written off if it was you or me or if he was a plumber?

    What did AIB get out of it? People don’t get dig outs for nothing I keep hearing. Anyone think there should be an inquiry/Tribunal into this kind of thing? Would be very interesting to go through his private bank accounts. I’d love to know how much Joan spent on the carpets, curtains etc

    Everyone knows this is all about political point scoring. Bertie’s no crook. His financial problems were all due to his marriage breaking up.

    Linking him to Charlie’s cheques doesn’t add up either. Bertie was 30 years younger than Charlie and in all organisations in my experience young ambitious people tend to do what they’re asked to do when dealing with their seniors. Otherwise they get nowhere in the organisation. Going by the book he should not have presigned the cheques but this kind of thing goes on in all types of organisations.

  • sammaguire

    No response??

    Game, set, and match I guess!