“there was no evidence that he was to be outed as an informer..”

Some interesting detail from the Irish News front-page report in which “one of the leading lights in CRJ”, Jim McCarthy, who was sentenced to five years in 1976 for possession of firearms, “angrily” denies being an informer after he had, reportedly, “been visited at his west Belfast home by police who told him he was to be publicly exposed.” [subs req for now] The report quotes a Sinn Féin spokesman

A Sinn Fein spokesman said: “We can confirm Jim McCarthy contacted the party after the PSNI visited him. “Sinn Fein was happy to let Jim know that there was no evidence that he was to be outed as an informer. “Jim provides a valuable community service in the area and we fully support him in taking the matter future in terms of his complaint to the ombudsman.”

And the report also notes that, as was the case with Roy McShane, McCarthy had previously been a driver for the Sinn Féin leadership.

The 51-year-old, who was once a driver for Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams, has also been visited at his west Belfast home by police who told him he was to be publicly exposed.

The report doesn’t record when he was a driver nor whether he shared another of McShane’s roles.

In 1989 that internal security unit was stood down over concerns that it had been infiltrated by the British intelligence agencies. In what would prove to be a crucial mistake the IRA moved many of those involved in the ‘nutting squad’ into protection and driving roles for the Sinn Fein leadership.

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  • Dewi

    Crucial Mistake Pete? Seem to come a fair distance since. Often wonder who was manipulating who.

  • elvis parker

    Was this Sinn Fein statement written for them by T Blair, H Orde or MI5?
    How would they know there was no evidence? Are they all-seeing? Perhaps they have been briefed by MI5.
    The fact that they have issued this pathetic, and literally meaningless, statement shows that the public perception now is that is you have been in the Republican Movement there is a big possibility that you have been / are an informer/agent

  • Dec

    How would they know there was no evidence?

    Elvis

    Loathe as I am to distract you from your life’s work in producing off-tangent rants, the actual quote was:

    Sinn Fein was happy to let Jim know that there was no evidence that he was to be outed as an informer.

  • Twinbrook (not banned)

    aaah the anti-republican baker comes out with more innuendo!!!!

    And maybe someone can tell me why you tried to ban me from this site!!!

    Free speech as long as you are a slugger lickspittle, an anti-Catholic/Nationalist/Republican bigot!!!!

    Another reason why this site has NO political credibility…

    Keep it up baker..reember Republicans deserve to be battered to death….

    eh baker.

  • SlugFest

    Twinbrook,

    enough already. Pete didn’t come out with innuendo, he merely posted the front-page report from the Irish News … front-page stories being hot items and all.

  • IRIA

    IF he is/was an informer, why would they be so eager to expose him?

  • Debbie

    What that twinbrook poster is doing is nothing short of intimidating pete , enough already.

    If you’re not banned you ought to be, mick fealty should step in and do it, you’re spamming the place.

  • Denis Donaldson

    What is wrong with being an informer? Informers brought us the Peace Process. Some gave merely an ounce, others only a bullet, some neither an ounce nor a bullet but all served and many paid the ultimate price. Lest we forget.

  • Steve

    Denis

    Yes and most of them paid the ultimate price at the hands of the ebnglish

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Dec

    Quote right. The SF spokesman’s quote is telling. It would have been much easier to say: “Sinn Fein was happy to let Jim know that there was no evidence that he was as an informer.”

  • I asked yesterday if McCarthy was a fit and proper person to be involved in the justice system. I’d been partly prompted by this ‘IRA list’ in Cryptome:

    “MCCARTHY, Jim: IRA Internal discipline, Belfast 91, see Padraig Wilson and Chico Hamilton Limps.”

  • West Belfast

    Nevin

    what is your point about the ‘IRA list’ and what is the context on cryptome?

  • West Belfast, McCarthy said in the BBC interview that he was a member of the Republican Movement. I’m wondering if he was a member of their ‘internal discipline’ unit and, if so, what it tells us about the paramilitary led Restorative Justice projects.

  • UFB

    No doubt it will amount to the same baseless speculation (some others would call shit stirring),on Slugger a few weeks back that Alec Maskey was to be outed as a tout as well.

  • Bleh

    Steve,
    …Yes and most of them paid the ultimate price at the hands of the ebnglish…

    “ebnglish” is a strange way of spelling “pissed off IRA members”.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    The IRA were compromised ages ago, why on earth would they scrap their Green book rules for the democratic principle of self determination if they weren’t compromised?

  • West Belfast

    Nevin

    as I understand it the Crim Justice Inspector Kit Chivers has inspected the CRJ and has found nothing untoward.
    Although they have not received accreditation under the system outlined by the NIO and pushed for by the SDLP, I believe it is just a matter of time.

    At one time CRJ may have been seen as an alternative police force but I think that boat has well and truly sailed.

    Not sure of Jim’s ‘credentials’ in the RM but glad he has moved to quash the rumourmill. No doubt more will follow – why that surprises anyone is beyond me.

    By the way that cryptome list is nothing short of disgraceful. Gabriel Byrne!! Actor, friend of SF. FFS!

  • CS Parnell

    The whole thing exposes the utter futility and waste of “the war”. Playing the patriot game, indeed.

    All those lives wasted for what?

  • West Belfast

    The whole thing exposes the utter futility and waste of “the war”. Playing the patriot game, indeed.

    All those lives wasted for what?

    Posted by CS Parnell on Mar 26, 2008 @ 04:00 PM

    Dont you just mean ‘war’ in general. Still not sure what WW1 was all about!

  • Dec

    Gonzo

    It didn’t come across as a ringing endorsement to these ears either. Then again, it probably says more about an understandable jumpiness within SF than the claims against Mr McCarthy, whose denial was pretty robust.

  • MM

    Wasn’t Jim shot by the IRA for his behaviour during the blanket protest and also the guy that let supergrass Martin McGartland escape miraculously not get charged over the incident?

    Clearly no reason at all to suspect he was an agent.

  • Debbie

    ‘also the guy that let supergrass Martin McGartland escape miraculously not get charged over the incident’

    Was that the guy who jumped out the window in Lenadoon and escaped?

  • Twinbrook (still not banned)

    aah the slugger lickspittles and the baker alter-egos want to stifle free speech…

    want to ban anyone who highlights the anti-Catholic nature of this site?

    Now I`m bein g accused of spamming whilst baker continues to post his anti-Nationalist innuendo on a daily basis…

    why not just change the name of the site to Combat88…

    So mick still attemping to ban IP addresses of those who don`t agree with You and YOUR lickspittles!!!

  • IRIA

    MM,

    The guy who “let him go” was named by “Kevin Fulton”, right? If KF is correct, than as far as I know, it wasn’t Jim.

  • waffler

    CRJ Have a brass neck looking for funding in the first place.
    Its much like the voluntary (special constabulary) police in england with the differance that CRJ are in diffs with their inability to present themselves as being free of political affiliation to a particular party.
    And it will remain so for as long as people are being asked to attend CRJ meetings etc in buildings associated with same political party.
    If Belfast is anything like Derry someone with a number of incomes already will benefit for dishing out orders to Volunteers who will by their actions creat the impression its all help from the party.
    And for those who do volunteer, remember take all orders in the written form only, for to be true to form you`ll be shit all over by the fool with the nice salary at the first problem.
    To think of the treatment dished out to volunteers and the cheek to expect more to fall for the same again.
    If latest reports are true about this man in belfast the urgency for funding will be greatly increased or is he expected to be one of the volunteers.

  • MM

    [See Commenting Policy – edited moderator ] Looks like most of those present in the flat could have been working for the Brits.

  • IRIA

    All more the evidence that they’ve probably been running this war the whole time and have as much (or more) blood on their hands of the people they were there to protect.

  • joeCanuck

    Is there any possibility that there are two twinbrooks?
    For many months now we have had a poster with that moniker forcefully and sanely presenting a SF point of view.
    Now this past couple of weeks we have had a bitter, twisted, seemingly paranoid individual posting under the same moniker.
    Hard to believe that they are one and the same.

  • Debbie

    joe, don’t worry about it he forgot his pills.

  • Gregory

    “Was this Sinn Fein statement written for them by T Blair, H Orde or MI5?
    How would they know there was no evidence? Are they all-seeing? Perhaps they have been briefed by MI5.
    The fact that they have issued this pathetic, and literally meaningless, statement shows that the public perception now is that is you have been in the Republican Movement there is a big possibility that you have been / are an informer/agent ”

    I do know this, and I’m (really) not joking, DENI are working for CEOP and Jim Gamble.

    I mean if this Jim Gamble fella is so darn good at finding pedos, then why are *all* his arrests the work of the FBI or RCMP et alia?

    He has not caught a single pedophile on his own account in his entire spook career, his agency hasn’t caught any either!

    I’m serious, Ruane’s dept. is helping Gamble out.

    Time for an FBI joke.

    G.

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  • Dewi

    Gregory – I think you have made your point.

  • Pete Baker

    For the benefit of Twinbrook, and anyone else who missed it.

    In favour of rational argument.

  • “as I understand it the Crim Justice Inspector Kit Chivers has inspected the CRJ and has found nothing untoward.”

    Perhaps none so blind as those who will not see, WB. Thanks for your ‘understanding’.

  • Pete Baker

    We have the most recent CJI report – from November last year.

    Interestingly, given these recent revelations about the Belfast schemes, it was more critical of the North West schemes..

  • Gregory

    “Gregory – I think you have made your point. ”

    Well, I’ll probably settle down after Ruane resigns. I give it two weeks.

    G.

  • Gregory

    “All more the evidence that they’ve probably been running this war the whole time and have as much (or more) blood on their hands of the people they were there to protect. ”

    I think there has been a guy in a chair, a guy asking him tough questions about betraying the OnhE, or missing balaclava practice etc.

    and a bloke outside and they were all Brit agents, and they shot the Brit in the chair because, well why is the question?

    Yeah, seems psyvhiatric enough to be likely.

    That is some fecked-up war we had.

    G.

  • willowfield

    Liam Clarke in today’s News Letter reports that Martin McGartland has identified Jim McCarthy as a member of the torture team that abducted him in 1991.

  • Mark Fartlighter

    I have never understood why unionists delight in exposing their own crown agents, country men and cobelligerents.

    I can understand them appreciating their war machines success againist the IRA but they seem to forget that Scappattici, Donaldson, McShane were not republicans, they were pro-British, pro-Union, crown agents, they are/were your ‘boys’ not republicans surely.

  • MM

    Funny that, Liam Clarke says what I said yesterday and mine gets deleted.

  • MM, there’s no credit in playing the John the Baptist role ..

  • Mark, you may have left out some better known members of the PRM in your haste to point the finger at Unionists ….

  • Mark Fartlighter

    Nevin,

    I am not sure of your point.

    All I am saying is that unionists should be aware that Scappattici for example was a crown agent and an instrument of the British state used to kill republicans in an extra-judicial mannner.

    He was one of yours old boy.

  • Reader

    Mark Fartlighter: seem to forget that Scappattici, Donaldson, McShane were not republicans, they were pro-British, pro-Union, crown agents, they are/were your ‘boys’ not republicans surely.
    No they were armed force Republicans who failed to stick the pace. They were ready to kill before they were ready to inform. So, your ‘boys’.
    Whether in the Republican or Loyalist Paramilitiaries, what must an informer’s CV look like? The “delight” you claim to recognise is mostly the observation that the security forces treated both lots the same. That’s cause for relief on your part too, isn’t it?

  • Gregory

    The IRA are as responsible for the terror Torquemadas in their midst as the RUC/UDR are for loyalist killers in their ranks.

  • Gregory

    “No they were armed force Republicans who failed to stick the pace. They were ready to kill before they were ready to inform. So, your ‘boys’.”

    If Brit.Gov knew they were X & y and the IRA only knew X, then they were working for the Brits as a major employer. The equation is quite simple.

  • Mark Fartlighter

    “No they were armed force Republicans who failed to stick the pace. They were ready to kill before they were ready to inform. So, your ‘boys’.”

    Have to disagree Reader. You seem to be treating “willingness to kill” as the difference between republicans and the British military, strange given the history of the world.

    History has surely taught that “Britian’s need is moral code”.

    Surely Sacappatici for examaple was under British military command, failure to obey his superiors would surely have meant certain death. Surely that makes him a British combatant, and a very effective one at that.

    I trust Her Majesty has rewarded this most loyal of servants most handsomely.

  • willowfield

    Surely Sacappatici for examaple was under British military command, failure to obey his superiors would surely have meant certain death.

    Not sure at all. In fact, highly unlikely.

  • Mark, I’d have thought that the loyalist and republican nutting squads were established and controlled by their respective ‘army councils’ – fascism raw in tooth and claw.

    Can you imagine London and Dublin placing such upstanding folks in prominent positions in restorative programs in the rest of these two islands?

    Society at large has strange standards. Folks (and media headline writers) get really steamed up when children and young people are abused for sexual purposes yet barely blink an eyelid when they’re abused by paramilitaries for their purposes – fascism and mafiaism.

  • Mark Fartlighter

    “I’d have thought that the loyalist and republican nutting squads were established and controlled by their respective ‘army councils’ ”

    You’d have thought it allright. Nevin it has been established that a senior memeber of the IRA ‘nutting squad’ was in fact a British agent. He was working in the interests of the British and their military intelligence interests.

    This is fact. The IRA may have believed that Scappatici was a loyal IRA man but actually he was working for the British and acting according to their military interests and command.

    Where have you been?

  • willowfield

    He was working for both.

  • “Listen”, said Jim,”IRA. You’re under arrest” .. Martin McGartland, “Dead Man Running p89“.

  • joeCanuck

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    Enough?

  • Curiousity

    Ahh a leading light in CRJ a long time tout and British Agent?

    I’m thinking just the latest in a long list of well placed, influential (pro Adams) British agents ‘en situe’ in Republican areas.

    I wonder when ‘The Revealers’ will get round to the two leading lights at the Falls Community Council and the West Belfast Festival, soon I hope as we are entitled to the truth !!

    Curiosity killed ….

  • republican

    In response to MM’s comments on jim mccarthy. Firstly can i correct you MM on three points you made my friend. Jim was not shot for his behaviour during the blanket protest, jim was taken off the protest after a collapsed lung left him seriously ill. He was unable to stay on the protest but as his condition improved he still assisted with prisoners needs..
    A personal dispute with another republican around that time and a cocktail of spiteful rumours led eventually to jim being shot.
    What people forget or “choose to forget” is after this incident a thorough ivestigation was carried out within the republican movement and jim mccarthy was given a full and published apology in an phoblacht/Republican news by the IRA..This is a fact. The IRA by its own admission had mistakenly shot him.

    Could i also correct you MM that, martin mc gartland the guy who you referred to being “Let go” actually jumped through a window pain on the third floor of a block of flats to escape and fell nearly 50 feet unto a public road in broad daylight..leaving himself butchered and unconsious with numerous fractures…A bit dramatic for someone who had just been “let go” dont you think!. Then again Maybe martin had a stunt double that day and he actually was “let go”
    (By the way all this informayion is well known in the public domain folks)

    Oh and to correct once again the location of this absurd “Let go” incident was in the twinbrook estate in west belfast and not in lenadoon as you stated..

    Anyway MM i will let you get back to your conspiracy theories and fictatious writings..
    Who knows maybe “MM” stands for Martin Mcgartland…
    I Will leave that thought with the readers.

    REPUBLICAN.