The NUT and the army

The National Union of Teachers has voted to oppose military recruitment activities in schools if they employ “misleading propaganda”. The MoD has denied recruiting in schools and said that its activities are to raise “general awareness of the armed forces in society, not to recruit”. The army can clearly offer a good career to young people; there are also of course very considerable risks. As one of the NUT delegates said of joining the army this is not a decision people should take lightly.

I am most impressed, however, by Mr. McGarr, a teacher from London, who said “Join the Army and we will send you to carry out the imperialist occupation of other people’s countries”. I was worried that teachers no longer held views like this. Clearly some still do: I hope Mr. McGarr also wears a cord jacket with leather elbow patches for teaching. Maybe the world has not changed after all.

  • RepublicanStones

    “general awareness of the armed forces in society, not to recruit”.

    just watching the news makes one aware enough of what a f**kup the middle east jaunt is, without needing to raise ‘awareness’ in schools. and if ‘not to recruit’ is an aim, i’d say they seem to be doing a fine job of it.

    ‘I hope Mr. McGarr also wears a cord jacket with leather elbow patches for teaching. Maybe the world has not changed after all. ‘

    Maybe you wear an old beret and war medals on a beatup old blazer Turgon while tucking a copy of the daily mail under your arm. and ‘Maybe the world has not changed after all’ is a lament of this teacher, annoyed at seeing his country being the lapdog of the new empire builders at Pennsylvania Avenue.

  • Turgon, you’ll be too young to remember this:

    “Join the army. Visit strange and exotic places. Meet fascinating people. And kill them. SAYING (AMERICAN) 1960s.”

  • foreign correspondent

    Sorry, Turgon, but I would also be much closer to that teacher´s point of you than yours. What is Iraq if not an Imperialist occupation?
    And I don´t think that it is at all clear that the Army, and I mean any army, is a good career option. Armies and military behaviour pattern screw people up, reinforcing our most primitive aggressive urges. How many 1,000s of soldiers will return from Iraq to the USA, permanently damaged, for example?
    The good work the military sometimes do in humanitarian crises is far outweighed by the bad done in wars, IMHO.

  • foreign correspondent

    Err for point of you, read point of view. (It´s late!)

  • Turgon
    This teacher McGarr sounds like a Taig.
    Take no notice of him!
    The declining Britannia will need all her soldiery over the next few decades for fighting Allah’s boys.
    Maybe another 36th Divison could be raised to go the land of Mohammed?
    That prospect meets with my full approval :0)

  • Harry Flashman

    If students at school today are unaware of the reality of military life (ie shooting and killing people and being shot and and killed in return) then I fear the fault lies with the inept and barely educated members of the teaching “profession” rather than through any “misleading propaganda” from the Army.

  • BfB

    The imams of the EuroCaliphate will make good use of your soccer stadiums. Hopefully broadcast on Al Jazeera. Pacifist morons (imho).

  • Steve

    Bob

    get out much or are you too busy in re-education camps and marching with the masachusette’s militia

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste…. its nice to see you aren’t

  • Dread Cthulhu

    “The National Union of Teachers has voted to oppose military recruitment activities in schools if they employ “misleading propaganda”.”

    Teachers don’t want any competition, now do they?

    Nevin: ““Join the army. Visit strange and exotic places. Meet fascinating people. And kill them. SAYING (AMERICAN) 1960s.””

    To be fair, I shouldn’t be surprised if the Greeks and Macedonians under Alexander the Great didn’t have some trite saying that amounted to the same.

    I seem to recall a bit of Norse graffiti that, translated, amounted to “Half-dan was here.” Mayhap Kilroy’s ancestor…

  • McGinster

    I hope all those in favour of military recruitment at our schools and universities are first in line with their sons and daughters. Or are you only in favour of sending other people’s kids to invade and kill/be killed on your behalf?

  • I’m sure any teacher, cord jacket wearing or not, would be disgusted with the idea that the young people they are educating won’t go on to do something useful in the world, such as cure cancer etc, but will instead end up as suicide bomb fodder in Iraq or Afghanistan or like that poor misguided young man, Harry Windsor, directing air strikes against farmers.

  • Shore Road Resident

    We should also remember Dungannon headmaster Fr Denis Faul who did so much to keep young men out of the army that Concubhar admires so much.
    Care to say a few words in praise of Fr Faul, Concubhar? Or do you need to check the official non-persons list first?

  • crow

    I am not sure i get what you are all saying. What is wrong in wanting to join your own countries armed forces? For some people in society it is maybe the best career opportunity available to them.

  • Gregory

    The NUT cares about the NUT

    The NUT have recently teamed up with a radical gays right org which named one of it’s prizes after a founding member (Ian Dunn) of the Paedophile Information Exchange.

    Apparently 4 out of 10,000 kids are missing out on gay sex lessons. Hence the NUT are need to help (the Ian Dunn fan club) force the two evading truants back into PC indoctrination.

    Teaching unions exist to protect the interests of teachers, that is the primary goal of the NUT. They’re like lawyers for the accused, they’re on one side and only the one side.

  • Gregory

    “Or are you only in favour of sending other people’s kids to invade and kill/be killed on your behalf?”

    If we want to keep the Christian component of Anatolia & Mesopotmania at something over zero

    there may be few alternatives to perpetual war. I’d sooner the British military were not there.

    (They’re useless)

    Like Rwanda, the region has already shown itself capable of being ab;le to out-kill the Nazis.

    When you see Muslims trying to wipe out other Muslims, Christians don’t stand much of a chance.

    Saddam Hussein, will look like a modest enough butcher compared to what is possible.

  • Shore Road Resident

    This is interesting:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McGarr

    Mr McGarr is a long-time SWP member and was the Respect candidate in Tower Hamlets in 2004. His biog describes him as “a socialist historian”.

  • I have expressed no admiration for any army here, SRR. A life in the military is mostly wasted as far as I’m concerned.

    However if you’re alluding to the IRA as I suspect you are, it seems that you’re scoring an own goal by equating an illegal paramilitary force with a sovereign army, albeit a sovereign army in illegal occupation of both Iraq and NI.

  • darth rumsfeld

    well played Turgon

    You’ve really dragged out the Sparts on this thread. I’d guess most of them are teachers- ghastly people who one wouldn’t want to live beside in case they tried to get one to take up golf or caravanning. They probably call their pet Yorskhire terriers Mugabe and Mandela. And they might even argue that wine has got better in Chile, South Africa, and Australia after the coming to power of “progressive” (yuk) governments in those countries, when we know this to be a fallacy.

    They often used to smoke a pipe in my time, but now- like Adams- they’ve given up and presumably get their kicks from the fumes of their mung bean stew or somesuch muck.
    My old guru Malcolm McClaren got it right “Never trust a hippy”

    Sometime you’re up in Belfast we’ll have to drop in to the Reform Club for a couple of single malts and a leisurely debate on how much better the world would be if levelheaded practical men like ourselves were back in charge.

  • Harry Flashman

    *that poor misguided young man, Harry Windsor*

    Do you perhaps mean Cornet Harry Wales or some other soldier called Harry Windsor whom we’ve never heard of?

    *I hope all those in favour of military recruitment at our schools and universities are first in line with their sons and daughters. Or are you only in favour of sending other people’s kids to invade and kill/be killed on your behalf?*

    The last time I checked the British army was an entirely voluntary force which only rercruits adults, so no on would be forced to join, only those would like to. If my son wanted to do so when he was an adult I certainly wouldn’t object though I might be very concerned as I would if he wanted to be a sky diver or a test pilot.

    I wouldn’t particularly want my children to be refuse collectors or firemen, both perfectly honourable if occasionally unpleasant professions but I would be perfectly happy to allow their organisations to recruit in schools.

    Wouldn’t you?

  • Shore Road Resident

    How dangerous is serving in the army anyway?
    The British Army has had 175 fatalities in five years in Iraq, an average of 35 a year. It has had on average 4,200 personnel in theatre, giving an in-theatre annual fatality rate of 0.8 per cent.

    However, the UK forces have 225,000 people in full-time and full-time reserve, so assuming Afghanistan is equally dangerous (and I don’t think the UK is in action anywhere else) the chance of dying in combat for UK personnel, even with two serious wars on, is just 0.03 per cent, or 31 people per 100,000.

    That means joining the services, even in a time of war, is safer than becoming a construction worker, a fireman, a farmer or an electrician.

    Somehow, I doubt this would satisfy Mr McGarr. He may think statistical arguments are a ploy of the phallocentric capitalist hegemony.

  • Gregory

    Never ever trust a hippy, the COC sub-culture in Holland was incidently well ahead of developments in San Francisco, by four years, they even had the ‘evil ones’ before anybody else.

    Gay liberation was eventually paid for by a cocktail of sex-bars, narcotics, prostitution and pornography, with some legitimate comparison to SF, that money became rather hard to give up.

    (it was a no-brainer to keep it)

    So Amsterdam became what it became, integration was (homophile agenda) rejected in favor of something far more radical. Homosexuality was denied in the process.

    That by the way is still the position, a kind of second dailism for queers.

    “Homosexuality does not exist’, oddly enough voted upon at a queer only conference, the irony was not lost on the (theoretically) non-existing franchise.

    The hippy thing helped, I made a fortune out of them, private money, not handed over to the mvement, I later went on to direct other funds to anti-nuclear campaigns etc.

    We were awash with cash. The source of which was originally alternative lifestyles, movies, records, media, but mostly gay bars and pornography.

    The hippies eventually took over the retail of drugs. The suppy end stayed as per the COC cartel in Amsterdam. Sex liberation was a bit like fuel-smuggling, cigarette imports, and whatever.

    The same deal, but a far bigger scale in Holland.

  • Shore Road Resident

    Is it a two-for-one offer on nutters around here now? Screw this, I’m away.

  • Gregory

    If I lived on the shore road, I’d be happy to get out and see how the other half lived.

  • Gregory

    “I am not sure i get what you are all saying. What is wrong in wanting to join your own countries armed forces? For some people in society it is maybe the best career opportunity available to them. ”

    West Virginia? Yup, historical memories of the civil war, combined with being shafted by ultra-capitalism, no other opportunities.

    They kind of want to join anyway, them being good unionists and everything, and at the same time don’t have a lot of choice.

    It’s not going to college.

    In Britain if they take themselves to Hartleppol, they’re bound to score a platoon, better than trying in St. Ives or Hampstead.

  • “I am most impressed, however, by Mr. McGarr, a teacher from London, who said “Join the Army and we will send you to carry out the imperialist occupation of other people’s countries”.”

    To be fair to McGarr, Turgon, he did say rather more than that. Perhaps you could have posted an alternative quote:

    “Join the Army, and if you survive and come home, possibly injured or mentally damaged, you and your family will be shabbily treated.”

    or this one from the Daily Telegraph:

    Stefan Simms, a teacher from Ealing, west London, also criticised adverts for the Royal Marines broadcast at half-time during televised football matches, which he claimed were “glamorising gang culture”. He said young troops were being used as “cannon fodder for the profits of oil companies”.

    You may have noted a connection between the military adventures of some of our political leaders and the price of fuel for your home and your car.

  • Gregory

    “That means joining the services, even in a time of war, is safer than becoming a construction worker, a fireman, a farmer or an electrician.”

    It isn’t, they have more accidents, it is an extreme sport. It has to be all added together. Being a soldier is quite hazardous in the USA.

    I can’t see the Brit army being much safer.

    The ‘war’ fatalities in Iraq and Afghanistan are down to the fact that no major power is on the opposing side in a major way.

    In Afghanistan if the President can be reduced to a Mayorship without fighting, that is good enough for the Taliban. He can hardly build on that to leave his capital like Alexander. So it is a waiting game with NATO.

    The IRA would do better by thinking ‘outside the box’. One can’t fight NATO with sub-standard weapons, unless it is by being sneaky.

    It will get there eventually, also the Brits turned the palace in Bssra into a POW camp. If one self-imprisons, the most the enemy will do is fire mortars and rockets.

    Eventually the Brits had to cop and deal and humiliate themselves for a safe retreat to the airport.

  • Stiofán de Buit

    To be fair, don’t all employers use misleading propaganda to recruit people? The British army are hardly unique in gilding the lily in this way.

  • Stiofán de Buit

    Harry Flashman:
    “If students at school today are unaware of the reality of military life (ie shooting and killing people and being shot and and killed in return) then I fear the fault lies with the inept and barely educated members of the teaching “profession” rather than through any “misleading propaganda” from the Army.”

    Don’t let them fool you Harry! They only pretend to be inept to cover up their fiendish Cultural Marxist schemes to destroy Western Civilisation and turn us all into muesli-eating lesbians!!!

  • Harry Flashman

    No, take it from me Stiofn, I’ve met teachers and they really are inept, actually that’s being too kind to them, for the most part they are barely educated clowns.

    I’d almost admire them if they could actually organise a successful cultural revolution but alas all they are doing is turning out generations of ill-educated, illiterate louts at my expense.

    You’re not a teacher are you? I only ask as you seem unable to spell “Stiofan” correctly.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘I’ve met teachers and they really are inept, actually that’s being too kind to them, for the most part they are barely educated clowns.’

    No need for us to ask as to the quality of your own education then Harry.

  • crow

    We should all be getting behind our brave men out in these war zones. One day they may be fighting to protect your freedom.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘One day they may be fighting to protect your freedom.’

    If it was to protect the freedom of the people in whose coutries armed forces they serve in, fair enough, but if its to protect the freedom of conglomerates to pillage another countries resources……sry but no. That only creates fire in the belly of those who may decide we in the west need a taste of our own medicine. Soldiers follow orders, its the suits in whitehall who need stringing up !

  • “Join the Army, and if you survive and come home, possibly injured or mentally damaged, you and your family will be shabbily treated.”

    Unfortunately that one is true, but it’s not new – “Tommy” was written a long time ago.

    For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
    But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;

  • If my fellow refuseniks and paper bag wearers Darth and Turgon are hanging out in the Ulster Reform Club, can I come along to? Although I much prefer Irn Bru to any of the dreaded buttermilk.

    I won’t generalise about NUT teachers but there is no doubt that many of them are New Leftie types who are only in teaching because they’d be unemployable elsewhere. I’d want them well away from my children. Mind you, they’d be right up Caitriona Ruin’s street.

  • baslamak

    These type of threads always amuse me, as most of those who become all gun ho and sing the praises of the military would not in a million years encourage their own children to join the Armed forces.

    I remember hearing George Bush senior during his Presidential election campaign, singing the praise of a military career, only to find out down the road he had pulled strings to get his pathetic son a safe birth back in Texas. One of the things I liked about england is it does not in the main go in for big military parades, the odd historic bumpf where betty takes the salute, but by and large in England the troops stay in their barracks. Now some fool is trying to ape the military satraps like Saddam and co or the worst US president in history, a strong and confident nation does not need its armed forces to strut around.

    I cannot remember the exact figures but out of all the politicos on Washington’s Hill, hardly any had a serving child and the same goes to the useless bunch at Westminister and Stormont.

    Anyone who would encourage their child to join an army that is engaged in an illegal war and occupation that came about by lies and deceit imo is not fit to be a parent. So Turgon, will you be signing your kids recruitment papers any time soon?

    PS. I really think it is time people who post in an islamaphobic way should be carded on Slugger. By all means criticize Bin Laded and the islamic faith by to simply play the man without an argument is bigotry of the worst kind. Mick would not put up with it if all Catholics, Jews or Protestants were insulted in the aforementioned manner and just because such insults are fashionable in some circles, I see no reason why it should be tolerated here.

  • crow

    Wars have their upside as well.Instead of having an army of soldiers who have never seen combat, we will have an army of men who have been involved in the types of combat that they probably joined up for.

  • Gregory

    “No need for us to ask as to the quality of your own education then Harry. ”

    He has a point, the Brit teaching profession is notorious for at least two things, one is for being quite crap.

    It is a blame free culture, it is difficult to get rid of them. In fact more might get dumped for sex abuse than for being unable to teach.

    Sex abuse is possibly the number one reason for a teacher seeing the door.

    The thousands of L99 referrals are basically it, and that is definitely a sex thing. The reason we have crap teachers and sex offenders teaching our kids is the corrupt teaching unions.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7088383.stm

    ‘Sub-standard teachers should be removed from schools to make way for better colleagues, a key government education adviser has suggested.
    Sir Cyril Taylor said there were about 17,000 “poor” teachers in England.

    They were unable to control classes and were damaging the education of about 400,000 children, he told the BBC.’

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7259280.stm

    Unions ‘protecting poor teachers’

    Teachers who cannot control classes and are constantly on sick leave should be sacked or retrained, a think-tank says.
    The teaching unions’ hold on schools as “blockers of reforms” should end, the report published by Reform argues.

    Its author, Northampton Academy chair of governors Richard Tice, said it took too long to dismiss poor teachers and unions “permeated” all school activity.

  • BfB

    Steve

    If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck. It’s a duck.

  • Harry Flashman

    *No need for us to ask as to the quality of your own education then Harry.*

    RS my old son when I was at school my teachers had the quaint old fashioned notion that their job was, you know, to teach.

    Today most teachers believe their main responsibility is to be a political activist and to pay their union dues on time so that when they get caught in child sex abuse allegations (teachers far outnumber Catholic priests in the league table of paedophilia but you’ll never hear the media pointing out that inconvenient fact will you?) their union will come in to assist them and to make sure they can hold on to their pensions.

    When teachers like nurses and policemen get back to doing the job they’re paid for instead of trying to be social engineers they might regain the respect that they once held among the population at large.

  • BfB

    Dhimmi baslamak, you confuse bigotry with factual statements, a refuge of fools like you.
    Read a book. (non-fiction)

    Harry, the ‘shoot the messenger’ skill set, re: incompetent ‘educators’, is fine tuned in this neck of the woods. Mind control is alive and well.

  • Gregory

    Henry is right,

    British teachers do more sex abuse in two years than the Catholic Church in the USA was nailed for over 50 years. It is quite remarkable.

  • Gregory

    Name me one pedo in the USA in jail because CEOP put him there! Not a single sausage.

    What does that mean, critical reasoning anybody?

    Nope, FBI do many thousands in UK and CEOP do de nada in the USA, self-evident, number one anti-pedophile cop in Britain has detected a single pedophile in his entire career, including his service in Ulster.

    (only in Britain)

    Our former branch man is there to put it quite simply to manage FBI expectations. Sex groom a US kid, get arrested, do it to a Brit kid, CEOP will not appear at your door.

    (The FBI have to find them all)

    The British teaching profession is an open secret amongst law enforcment, Jim Gamble isn’t allowed to touch them. It is obvious.

    Catriona Ruane has conceded that it is OK to employ sex offenders and that is a useful starting handle for NI.

  • Joe

    teachers far outnumber Catholic priests in the league table of paedophilia but you’ll never hear the media pointing out that inconvenient fact will you?

    Perhaps because you made it up and it’s not true? Let’s see your figures on this one.

  • Stiofán de Buit

    Harry Flashman:

    “I’d almost admire them if they could actually organise a successful cultural revolution but alas all they are doing is turning out generations of ill-educated, illiterate louts at my expense.”

    Strange…I’m sure I remember you going off on a tirade about the Cultural Marxist (non)Conspiracy a while back. Are teachers not part of this dastardly plot then?

    “You’re not a teacher are you? I only ask as you seem unable to spell “Stiofan” correctly.”

    Blame Microsoft – for some reason an ‘a’ with a fada disappears. I never had this trouble with my trusty Macintosh.

  • “The imams of the EuroCaliphate will make good use of your soccer stadiums. Hopefully broadcast on Al Jazeera. Pacifist morons (imho).

    Posted by BfB ”

    BfB

    You make no attempt to explain, you just spew out ignorance and crass bigotry, you are not fit to be in civilized company.

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  • Prince Eoghan

    Mr McGarr seems a fine man all told. let’s see some more of his speech.

    “Join the Army and we will send you to carry out the imperialist occupation of other people’s countries,”

    Undeniable.

    “Join the Army and we will send you to bomb, shoot and possibly torture fellow human beings in other countries.”

    Fraid so. Did the Brits ever get around to explaining just why two of their servicemen were driving around in Basra with a car full of explosives and dressed as Arabs? The illegal torture methods used on Iraqui detainees innocent or guilty are also well documented now.

    “Join the Army and we will send you probably poorly equipped into situations where people will try to shoot or kill you because you are occupying other people’s countries.”

    No probably about it, Gordon gentle etc, etc….. Also I know of one TA driver who finally lost his nerve after being shot at once too often on the water ration run from Kuwait. Rather be a live coward and all that…….

    “Join the Army, and if you survive and come home, possibly injured or mentally damaged, you and your family will be shabbily treated.”

    Again shamefully undeniable. Widows begging for compensation, amputee’s paid less than those with RSI, etc, etc……

    Should Mr McGarr not be praised for telling his pupils how it is?, or is sugar coating for the cannon fodder to be allowed. In Scotland in recent years. The army has increased it’s recruitment drives in schools by 1000%, no you are seeing correctly one thousand percent. And you win a prize for guessing which schools they are targeting. Yep, schools in your working class areas with low exam results and employment opportunities. Seems that the exclusive George Watson school in Edinburgh has yet to have these recruiting teams darken their door.

    Now I am all for young people freely choosing to embark in a career in whichever army they please. I am not for giving the army a free reign however in schools, no other occupation get’s the same recruiting privileges in schools, perhaps the NHS should be allowed to conduct drives also? I will be damned if I or anyone else should stand by quietly whilst my country is turned into a European USA where the poor go and fight the rich mans wars all over again. For this is what is happening, a boy(for that is what he is) whose family I know recently returned from Afghanistan, put it rather sagely when asked if he was looking forward to going back to Afghanistan;

    “Fuck that fur a gemme a sodjers!” Was the reply.

  • Gregory

    Joe

    Love ya for asking.

    British teachers are the mass production version of educator sexual misconduct.

    As for scale.

    More than anywhere else in the world. L99 is only a very small subset.

    We have the good Lord Laird to thank for the over 2000 referrals to LIST 99 in 2005, a doubling since 2003, they don’t stick a person on it for failing to return a library book.

    The following response is a parliamentary answer to a PQ (HL2654) tabled by Lord Laird of Artigarvan following a request from Prof. Donna Hughes of Rhode Island University.

    Cases Referred Cases Concluded
    2003 1,147 1,047
    2004 1,362 1,370
    2005 2,092 2,554

    Prof. Hughes was on a State.Gov visit to NI.

    I was at the meetings at Lord Laird’s big house and at Stormont with the other UUP.

    These days L99 is a pedophile list. Sex offenders get jobs by the simple expedient of asking their union to find them one.

    It is OK to employ sex offenders as teachers.

    Ask Ms Ruane, it is her policy.

    All the best

    G.

  • BfB

    Mick Hall

    Sorry, I assumed you were aware of the Taliban use of soccer stadiums as execution arenas in Afghanistan. Your type wax philosophic so much I think you actually have a realistic knowledge base, current events, history, reality, all that subject matter avoided in todays ‘multi cultural’ educational circles. My bad. My point was cowardice disguised as ‘neutrality’, or ‘pacifism’ gets good people killed. Really, look it up.

  • Gregory

    The stadium was built by the west.

    It was regularly used for soccer. The Taliban only used it for executions after the Roman fashion pour encourager les autres.

    It is whatever you find shocking, the windows in Amsterdam would look like hell to a Taliban.

    Come to think of it, the girls from 2002 are mostly dead, so they might have a point.

    On the plus side the Taliban frequently gave their POWs a free pass, what was the IRA policy?

    The Taliban could be tough on Buddhas.

    G.

  • Gregory

    “One of the things I liked about england is it does not in the main go in for big military parades, the odd historic bumpf where betty takes the salute, but by and large in England the troops stay in their barracks. ”

    They ran the Empire with bandstands, the Brits were frequently in the position of simply not having the soldiers to deliver a strategic solution, they had to bluff their way quite a lot.

    The Brits acted big, they had ( at one point) troops in Russia, Turkey, Mesopotamia, Ireland of course, if the Domions wouldn’t play ball they could be shafted for the lack of a few thousand squaddies, sometimes, they simply didn’t have them.

    Places like India were also a bit of a risk that could go pear-shaped very big style. In retrospect, Ireland was more of a nuisance, they were unable to hammer because we were too like them to go medieval on.

    If we were Arabs, they’d have dropped mustard gas on Cork instead of burning it.

    G.

  • nineteensixtyseven

    Mr McGarr has it spot-on, Turgon. I’ve seen the RAF in schools because they visited mine to give a glossy, glorified piece of propaganda on the career prospects in the RAF and then actively tried to recruit pupils. I am sure the army are much the same. They target schools in more impoverished areas too because I can hardly see the upper middle-classes wanting to send their kids away to be blown up in illegal wars.

  • mickd

    Harry Flashman, your comments about teachers really are nasty, and misguided. There are actually plenty of teachers who share your right wing views. Most of what is taught in schools is apolitical or taught with a balance that reflects dominant rather than radical currents in society. As for incompetence – what your argument relies on is……..actually, on reflection you don’t really argue, you just spew invective on a whole class of people. 0/10

  • Gregory

    Teachers are extremely political.

    You get what it says on the tin, or maybe not,

    compulsory sex-ed is essential (we’re told) because of teenage pregnacies, however only 4 out of 10,000 kids who opt out.

    It is political activism, the gay groups couldn’t stand the four kids getting to her how normal it was to do anal sex.

    The very same NGO heading up the sex-ed campaign named a prize after a leading pedophile.

    You couldn’t make it up.

    G.

  • Harry Flashman

    *Harry Flashman, your comments about teachers really are nasty, and misguided.*

    Oooh, sorry Miss, should I stand in the corner or will 100 lines of “I must not be nasty to teachers” suffice?

  • darth rumsfeld

    “The very same NGO heading up the sex-ed campaign named a prize after a leading pedophile.”

    What??!!
    Ruane’s named a prize after Patrick Pearse? Outrageous

  • Gregory

    You might do better with Casement by way of sex tourism. Pearse wasn’t like that.

    In fact if you are looking for a Shinner scandal C. Ruane is the one to go for. That portfolio is about to go pear-shaped on her.

    Ian Dunn was the real deal. In fact he was one of the founders of the Brit pedophile movement. I gather the Catholic media are about to do a mea culpa on the PIE funding.

    I ws picked for the Ruane campaign because my pro-gay liberation credentials are impeccable.

    Whatever my present pro-Vatican leanings may be, nobody can accuse me of not running enough gay clubs & happenings.

    I’m really surprised david Trimble didn’t recruit me as the UUP ‘dark’ consultant.

    I am more cool than Eno.

    I still sell records. Having said that my old band dumped me for their NYC radio award thing. I’m too good-living these days.

    G.