Unfit for purpose?

The Squinter column may or may not have been the spur but Gerry Adams has launched a strong attack on the delivery of the PSNI. He states:

“…the reality at this time is that the PSNI is failing to deliver; it is failing to deliver on call out times, on responding to information from the public, in its investigations of anti-social and organised crime.”

While the courts and probation services roles in all this should not be overlooked, have we arrived at the first cross-party, cross-community consensus since the foundation of Northern Ireland on the issue of policing? Namely everyone is agreed that it isn’t delivering.

  • The police are not the problem, Gerry. You are. You cannot spend your entire political life undermining the Church and those who follow its teaching politically and not think that this has consequences for society. If, as you infer by advocating violence, all men are evil in nature, then it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You reap what you sow. It’s not a local problem but an international problem and antichrististisan leaders like you throughout the world have played a large part in creating this empty agressive world. It’s all about you egomaniacs challenging Christian values without the slightest notion as to where all this will lead to. Resign now, Gerry.

    May I, in this Easter season of reminders that Christ once existed, remind Adams that he has a certain negative pedigree.

    Why I believe Gerry Adams is the Antichrist!

    First of all, I believe that Gerry Adams is the Antichrist because of the coincidence that his name comes out at 666 on my numeric alphabet (see website http://www.johnoconnell.org/), a numeric alphabet that I discovered during my years at St Columb’s College in Derry and further investigated during my years at University College Galway. If his name didn’t come at 666, using some reasonable means, then I would not believe that he is the Antichrist. He would simply be to me just another delinquent who leads a very large conspiracy to undermine Ireland.

    Second of all, due to another pertinent coincidence his name contains “Adam”, the name of the first man, and from a theological point of view, this adds much to the basis of him being the Antichrist. Adam coincidentally means ‘man’ in Hebrew, and the number of the beast is specifically described as “man’s number” (Rev 13:18).

    These are extraordinary coincidences and not to dismissed by any means by any intelligent observer of matters theological.

    The apostle Paul wrote: “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive” (1 Cor 15:22). Adam therefore symbolises death, and thus the question must be asked, is there significance to the ‘Adam’ in Gerry Adams’ name? Does Gerry Adams, the effective leader of the IRA’s republican movement, symbolise death?

    The descriptions of the beasts in the Book of Revelation are interesting.

    ‘The inhabitants worshipped the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed,’ (Rev 13:12). Coincidentally, Gerry Adams was shot and wounded in 1984, but recovered. Afterwards, he became Sinn Fein president and one of the foremost politicians in Northern Ireland. The use of violence for him is a matter of tactics. That is a matter of fact and record. Gerry Adams has not stepped away from violence. He believes in his own words that “there is a time for peace and a time for war”, mocking the Prince of Peace and equating Christ with the Antichrist, good with evil.

    The first beast, who is said to be the Antichrist, is prophesied to have “seven heads” (Rev 13:1), which is coincidentally the number of heads on the IRA army council, including Gerry Adams’ allegedly.

    “Who can make war against him?” (Rev 13:7). The IRA has been described as ‘the most sophisticated terrorist organisation in the history of mankind’. Their structure makes it impossible for a conventional army to defeat them.

    Gerry Adams fulfilled another prophecy during the run-up to the 2007 Assembly election campaign in the North of Ireland. This involved him requesting the use of Clonard Monastery (Roman Catholic) church in West Belfast for a political meeting discussing his party’s policy. He still believed that armed struggle was a legitimate means of resolving differences.

    When Gerry Adams took to the altar of Clonard monastery while his beliefs were in conflict with Christ’s teaching, he was proclaiming himself to be wiser than God and better than Jesus Christ. He was in logic proclaiming himself to be God.

    “[The man of lawlessness or the Antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.” (2 Thes 2:3-4)

    When you think of all the violent activity, brutality and attacks on old people in West Belfast, you must think “man of lawlessness” as the beast or Antichrist is decribed.

    Fror further information, see http://www.johnoconnell.org/

  • From the NIO website:

    “Shaun Woodward MP heads the current NIO Ministerial team, which consists of Paul Goggins MP, Minster of State.

    The NIO currently has responsibility for Northern Ireland’s constitutional and security issues, in particular, law and order, political affairs, policing and criminal justice. It also has responsibility for matters relating to the licensing and legislation concerning firearms and explosives, including fireworks.

    Economic and social matters are the responsibility of locally elected Northern Ireland ministers in the Northern Ireland Executive. The Government is committed to completing the process of devolution by enabling the smooth transfer of policing and justice powers to the devolved administration when the Assembly decides the time is right.

    The NIO has a number of agencies; the Northern Ireland Prison Service, the Compensation Agency for Northern Ireland, Forensic Science Northern Ireland and Youth Justice Agency.

    It also funds two legal offices – the Crown Solicitors Office and the Public Prosecution Service.”

    Have the responsible ministers (and their Dublin counterparts) expressed or been asked to express an opinion? Policing Board? NICCY – apparently some of those involved in this behaviour are nine years of age and upwards?

  • slug

    It will certainly be good for confidence in the community that Gerry Adams is strongly calling for the PSNI to be effective stronger and better at fighting crime – a pro law and order approach.

    These are difficult issues that afflict a lot of societies and I am sure that there is a lot of consensus to be had on these matters.

  • cut the bull

    This must be the only place in Europe were there the police continually repeat the same worn out message when asked about its failure to deal with anti social behaviour, car thefts drug dealing, public drinking and harassment and assaults “we can’t investigate crime if a complaint has not been made to the police”.

    Such shite, the job of the police is to investigate crime whether a complaint has been made or not.

    Its as if the PSNI are trying to hold communities to ransom. If you don’t complain to us, then we don’t need to bother doing our job.

    Sinn Féin took a political decision as a party to support policing and and the judicial system.

    A lot of people many of whom are Sinn Féin voters did not follow blindly.

    There is still a substantial amount within the Republican/Nationalist community who have no faith in the PSNI and they don’t need either the IRSP, Éírígí or any one else to discourage them or Sinn Féin to encourage them.

    It usually comes with a life time of experience of bad policing, which doesn’t seem to be changing.

    The Police and the justice system need to prove to each and every citizen living in this sate that all citizens are acceptable and worthy of effective policing and justice.

    Bad policing happens when politicians allow it or in some cases promote it or in other cases mistakenly believe that they have the power to change it or hold the police and the justice system to account.

  • Steve

    some where a village is missing its …..

  • Twinbrook

    John get a sense of humour..

    I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off.

    So I ran over and said, “Stop! Don’t do it!”

    “Why shouldn’t I?” he said.

    I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!”

    He said, “Like what?”

    I said, “Well, are you religious or atheist?”

    He said, “Religious.”

    I said, “Me too! Are your Christian or Buddhist?”

    He said, “Christian.”

    I said, “Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?”

    He said, “Protestant.”

    I said, Me too! Are your Episcopalian or Baptist?

    He said, “Baptist!”

    I said, “Wow! Me too! Are your Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?

    He said, Baptist Church of God!”

    I said, “Me too! Are your Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?”

    He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God!”

    I said, “Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?”

    He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915!”

    I said, “Die, heretic scum!” and pushed him off.

  • wild turkey

    Does the name Garry Newlove ring a bell with anyone?

    The issues around polcing and criminality are not confined to Norn Ironland, The Falls, Shankhill.

    apologies for not being able to get links right, but below is an extract from an article on the Newlove murder.

    from
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/martin_samuel/article3207061.ece

    No more singing policemen by Martin Samuel

    The police keep abdicating their responsibility: to protect us from violent yobs. Surveying the wreckage of another family and its surrounding community, Assistant Chief Constable Garry Shewan, of the Cheshire Constabulary, had no doubt of the way ahead: “I think society is beginning to see the events of today, and the murder of Mr Newlove, as a tipping point where we all have to take action against antisocial behaviour,” he said, sagely.

    Not all, Garry. You. Specifically you. You, Garry Shewan, and the officers under your command, have to take action against antisocial behaviour because that is your job. We’re done. We’re finished. They’ve got us licked. Garry Newlove tried to take action against antisocial behaviour and he was kicked to death outside his home, as his children watched.

    And do you know why? Because it is absolutely impossible for a rational, civilised human being to confront the perpetrators of such a crime, as there is nothing in the mind of the average individual that allows him to challenge such wickedness and violent relish on equal terms.

    That is why we need law enforcers, with experience and back-up and a mandate to deal with any incident in the manner they see fit. When Mr Newlove was lying on the floor having his brain toed into grisly submission, his horrified family was not looking for society to come around the corner and save him; they were looking for coppers.

    Considering that the little gang of human effluence that gathered nightly outside Mr Newlove’s house was prepared to commit murder if challenged, then to match the intensity of that blood lust, the 47-year-old sales manager would have had to leave his house armed with a semi-automatic weapon. There were three of them, so he could not have taken them on in a fight or a reasoned discussion, as his death proved. He had previously explored the correct process of involving the police and the local council, but to no effect.

    Violence and vandalism were endemic in the Station Road North area of Fearnhead in Warrington, to the extent that the community felt under siege. In the ten days before Mr Newlove was murdered, seven local householders were attacked, four on the night that he died.
    Just about everything that has passed the lips of the police subsequently has been a mealy-mouthed abdication of responsibility: “Unless we challenge the drinking culture of today,” said Mr Shewan, “this is a tragedy that can happen again and again. We have to send a very strong message that the availability of cheap, strong alcohol is not acceptable.” With this statement, the Assistant Chief Constable involves the Cheshire police in something over which it has no jurisdiction – off-licence sales in the Warrington area – while refusing to admit control over an issue that is entirely its concern – crime committed by known criminals on its watch.

    If Cheshire police had put an officer, or two, on duty in Station Road North, just hanging about, breaking up the gangs, identifying troublemakers and dealing with problems as they occurred, Mr Newlove would still be alive. The access to cheap hooch, the absence of parental control, the failings of modern society are all outweighed by that simple fact. Another decent guy is dead because the police found better things to do than protect a vulnerable section of the community.

    Mr Newlove had no chance because confronted by such base, compassionless, evil little men, nobody has. In a street fight, while Joe Average is still trying to compute the rules of engagement, whether violence is justified and what the ramifications could be, while he is still trying to overcome feelings of fear and confusion, and adapt to a world in which all the conventions and tenderness of humanity have been abandoned, those who are well versed in violence are stamping on his head until it cracks.

    It must be presumed that police officers, although no less decent, are familiar with the territory and better prepared to tackle it. They have the training and the authority of law. Mr Shewan’s belief that society will heal itself unaided by the police, therefore, is at best optimistic, and at worst, self-serving and negligent.

  • cut the bull

    The onus is not and should never be on communities to prove that the police and the justice system are acceptable to communities.

    The onus should always be on the police and the justice system to prove that all communities are acceptable within that system regardless of perceived political allegiance, religion or class.

    The experience of bad policing which I referred to in an earlier post is also evident in many working class loyalist communities such as the lower Shankill where despite numerous complaints to both the RUC and PSNI , UDA drug dens in the lower Shankill continued to do business.

    Members of that community stated that they believed the drug dealers were given a free hand by the RUC and PSNI Special Branch.

    In the Tigers Bay area of North Belfast despite numerous complaints to the PSNI naming known UDA men as drug dealers nothing was done. Many believed this lack of policing led to the death of young Dean Clarke.

    Members of that community including mothers and clergy said they believed that the PSNI Special Branch was protecting the drug dealers.

    Mount Vernon where Mark Haddock and several of his associates were said to have been up to their necks in crime including drug dealing and murder.

    Nuala O’Loan the former Police Ombudsman claimed that the Special Branch was involved in collusion with the UVF in Mount Vernon.

  • cut the bull

    I forgot to mention the claims made by CID Detective Jonty Brown that members of the Special Branch threatened his life and the lives of his family, if he spoke about Mark Haddock being protected even though he admitted murdering a young woman.

  • Twinbrook

    You’re just a malaca. Get real, it’s all happening and you’re a disciple of Satan’s Antichrist Gerry A., the Antichrist.

  • “The Squinter column may or may not have been the spur”

    Adams was on Talkback and Dunseith raised the Squinter article with him. Adams launched into a tirade against the police …

  • Gregory

    Sinn Fein have only a 2D rather than a 3D understanding of policing issues,

    it is a bit silly expecting Gerry Adams to be completely sensible, they’ve to negate a 30 year deficit of protect & serve involvement.

    It is on the other hand quite horrifying to see them importing failed Home Office concepts.

    If I was a novice, I would not seek a certified incompetent as a source of inspiration.

  • Sorry Twinbrook for badmouthing you.

    But some of us think that there are some very serious issues for Gerry Adams and Co to answer and you trying to deflect attention away from those issues like the good (or bad, as the case may be) Republican you are does no favours to the truth.

  • Twinbrook

    John I meant no offense to your religious views and by the way I don`t class myself as a Republican..

  • If John O’Connell thinks Gerry Adams is the Anti-Christ, it must be so.
    He’s obviously completely off his trolley.
    His premise seems to be Gerry Adam’s opposition to Church Teaching. Is this the same Church that sent Crusaders to the Holy Lands to civilise/slaughter the locals? Or is it the same Church which brought us the Inquisition? Or the same Church that co-operated with all sorts of unsavoury regimes and looked the other way when ordinary people were being slaughtered by State Sponsored Death Squads in South America?
    I agree with Squinter that Gerry Adams and Sinn Féin have let down West Belfast and nationalism because of their failure of leadership and their failure to deliver for their constituents. They have been focused on getting an agreement with the DUP and have forgotten whom they represent.

  • Conchubar

    Today’s delusions sometimes become tomorrow’s religious beliefs.

    I don’t see Gerry Adams as simply opposing Church teaching. The reason he is the Antichrist is because he is opposing Christ’s teaching. There have been many in that camp. The problem for him is that his name can be worked out at 666. There are other coincidences which convict him of being the one promised in Revelation, etc. See my post above – number 1.

    It should come as no surprise to someone who has followed the Republican movement with its tactical use of evil that it would be regarded as Antichristian. Even republicans couldn’t be that deluded and, dare I say it, stupid?

  • barnshee

    You lie down with dogs you get fleas
    You reap what you sow etc etc

    West Belfast brought this on itself live with it
    Its the society you chose.( Build the wall all the way round it)

    schadenfreude any one

  • fair_deal, you can see how difficult it is for the police to deliver when you look at what’s happened in Limavady:

    Officers are forced out of homes

  • picador

    John

    I don’t see Gerry Adams as simply opposing Church teaching. The reason he is the Antichrist is because he is opposing Christ’s teaching. There have been many in that camp. The problem for him is that his name can be worked out at 666.

    Could you please demonstrate how this is so. And while you’re at it, what does your own name work out at?

  • picador

    7 + 5 + 18 + 18 + 25 = 73
    1 + 4 + 1 + 13 + 19 = 38

    73 + 38 = 111

    Interesting, if we multiply 111 by 6 we get 666. But I can’t think of any valid reason to do that (other than to prove that Gerry A is the anti-Christ of course!). I remain to be convinced.

  • Picador

    My workings are at http://johnoconnell.org/number_of_the_beast_calculat.htm

    What about the posting at Post 1 above? “Adam” in his name, etc? What about being a man who would be nothing without his legendary ability to make war?

    You need to be able to think outside the box.

  • picador

    Fancy that, Ian Paisley’s number is also 666!

    9 + 1 + 14 = 24

    16 + 1 + 9 + 19 + 12 + 5 + 25 = 87

    87 + 24 = 111 x 6 = 666

    Of course the whole multiplying by 6 business, which you justify on the basis that Adam was allegedly created on the sixth day, is completely arbitrary. But I must say, at least you are a non-sectarian crackpot.

    Benedict XVI, spritual leader of the Scarlet Whore of Babylon, stands head and shoulders above all rival anti-Christs (with Tony Blair and Bono from U2 battling it out for second).

  • cut the bull

    This thread is going completely off track with all the nonsense of doing sums to prove who may be and may not be a bogey man.

  • Picador

    There are two beasts in Revelation Ch 13.

    One is a religious preacher and has a voice like a dragon and the other is a military strategist who has had a fatal wound. Both fool the world into thinking that they’re good people.

    As Revelation suggests, you may be just one of those fooled or you may be one of the elect who sees beyond the large support bases that these leaders inspire (now).

  • picador

    cut the bull

    3 + 21 + 20 = 44
    20 + 8 + 5 = 33
    2 + 21 + 12 + 12 = 47

    47 + 33 + 44 = 124 x 6 = 744

    No you’re all right.

    John,

    I will see you after the Rapture.

    P.S. What happens after the Millenium?

  • cut the bull

    Thanks be to Jesus and all the holy saints of Ireland and all the fairies around the tree in my grannies garden. I’m saved, hells too hot for me

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>Twinbrook

    You’re just a malaca.< >West Belfast brought this on itself live with it
    Its the society you chose.( Build the wall all the way round it)

    schadenfreude any one<

  • Prince Eoghan

    picador

    I know a lassie who is numbers dyslexic(seriously) I’d reckon she’d be fucked trying to work out who the beast is.