“They had calculated that they wanted to change the order of things.”

Mick mentioned this clip of Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams at Milltown cemetery on Sunday, but the footage, and the speech, is worth putting on the frontpage. Not least as a comparison to his attempt to ride a different horse last week at his party’s televised Ard Fheis. And, while we don’t have the actual text to check against, the reference to attracting US investors is missing from the clip we have. What is there though is some selective memory in action, and another attempt at picking a “sham and phoney fight” with a previous government of the Republic of Ireland. Perhaps it was raised at today’s meeting..
We also have a photo of the ‘colour party’ in attendance yesterday.

Colour party

And on the “volunteers” Adams knew he had this to say

“They had calculated that they wanted to change the order of things. That there was no other option but to join the Irish Republican Army and to meet armed agression and terrorism with armed resistance.”

What he neglected to tell this particular audience was his view of that armed resistance..

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  • Dec

    They had calculated that they wanted to change the order of things. That there was no other option but to join the Irish Republican Army and to meet armed agression and terrorism with armed resistance.

    I really don’t see any major discrepancy between this statement and the full quote from Adams:

    While I was of the view that no military solution was possible I also felt armed struggle was a necessary form of struggle and I defended this position without being dogmatic about it.

  • kensei

    Pete

    What he neglected to tell this particular audience was his view of that armed resistance..

    In the late 70’s. By which time violence was so embedded it would have taken time to turn around the republican movement; particularly if anger was somehow stoked to excaberate things in that period. Since you have a reference for everything, maybe you can think of something like that.

    In any case, he’s clearly referring to the start of the troubles, which isn’t the late seventies. Whether or not you agree with that analysis you are pushing a contradiction that doesn’t exist.

  • realst

    Any one missing that u would have expected to see at sundays event?
    Just heard on the grapevine that another senior republican has been exposed as an agent.
    If true there will be serious repercussions for spinn fein.

  • Pete Baker

    Dec

    Before this particular strawman takes over the conversation – and it may already be too late.

    There isn’t a major discrepancy between what Adams said on Sunday and what he said at the Ard Fheis either.

    What there is is a difference in emphasis and/or an ommission.

    ken

    “In the late 70’s. By which time violence was so embedded it would have taken time to turn around the republican movement; particularly if anger was somehow stoked to excaberate things in that period. Since you have a reference for everything, maybe you can think of something like that.”

    Actually such references are included at the linked post.

    But this post is about Sunday’s performance.

  • Dec

    What there is is a difference in emphasis and/or an ommission.

    Do you honestly think Republicans thought they could defeat the British state in purely military terms and further, the 2000 at Milltown are still labouring under that impression? You’re reading far too much into this

  • kensei

    But this post is about Sunday’s performance.

    Which concludes with standard line that you have tagged on other posts pushing a contradiction that doesn’t exist. I note you have also taken to commenting on threads other than your own, not to actually engage in any debate but rather to supply the same backlinks you’ve supplied on all your own posts about 8 times already. There is some kind of definition of madness in there.

  • Grassy Noel

    Realist,

    what have you heard?

  • micky

    sshhh…he might be referring to alex maskey, but say nothing

  • Conradh na Gaeilge

    As his Irish is so terrible, he should confine himself to the UK’s first official language. Why do the Provo youtubers insult the Irish speakers so? Also, 1.4 minutes before Beardy gets going.

    Adams’ long war is winning, what with the Paisleys in disgrace. Of course, MI5 could have taken out the Paisleys abd Robinson at the time of Kincora and more. But the Brits play the long game.

    He seems like a longer, taller, more boring version of Wee Joe Devlin.

  • IRIA

    Realst,

    Any truth to what yer saying?

  • cynic

    was he detained or debriefed when visiting the turkish hunger strikers

  • IRIA

    PUG?

  • perci

    realist
    might explain why today’s business at Stormont included the following:

    3. COMMITTEE BUSINESS

    – Motion – Statutory Committee Membership

    – Proposed: That Mr Raymond McCartney replace Mr Paul Maskey as a member of the Committee for Culture, Arts and Leisure.

    [Ms C Ní Chuilín]

    Moving very quickly isn’t it?

  • IRIA

    Ha. What I thought.

  • IRIA

    I hope you’re not pulling our legs realst. If not, buckled up, should be a good an exciting week.

  • Tattler

    From Telegraph.co.uk in 2000.

    Alex Maskey, a senior Sinn Fein member who was twice interned as an IRA suspect, was arrested in Turkey on Sunday during a visit to meet supporters of the Marxist Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party-Front (DHKP-C) after the group had praised the attacks in America.

  • Steve

    Not exactly the same as being exposed as an agent

  • northsider

    Sorry Realist, but that’s a FAIL. And a libel.

    Utter bollocks given that he was the most targeted Sinn Fein politician of the Troubles.

    Innuendo and whispers don’t bear scrutiny when set against actual events.

    Have a word with yourself. Or your source. Was this the same one who named Martin McGuinness as an agent.

    Sluggerites – we have a fantasist.

  • northsider

    Oh, and tips on establishing credibility and authority: be able to spell your user name.

    We forgive spelling errors in the heat of a fired up post, or grammatical errors during same.

    But your handle – not a good idea.

    Must do better.

    That is all.

    You’re going to look silly in days. Don’t look forward to it, although I’m told gullibility and disingenuousness are painless.

    So you should be okay.

  • DC

    ‘Martin McGuinness as an agent’ Oh yes the time he had to resort to foul language to show bravado and staunch stances while a cacophony of whispers shook the ground he stood on.

    What get’s me is why, for example, Denis Donaldson went to Donegal, isolated after being outed as an agent. Strange.

    But no stranger than a Mairead Farrell Stormont tribute as part of the International Women’s day accolade.

    I have thought, thought and thought, and the only answer I can come up with is one forming a sense of utter ridiculousness.

    Anything’s possible I suppose.

  • realst

    Northsider
    Please allow ME to choose my user name spelled in a manner of my choosing as there are enough smart :ALECS: around , dictators who would remove our freedom of choice at the drop of a hat should we allow it.Besides that I couldn’t get the user name with the correct spelling as it already belongs to some one.
    Coming across as a bully on paper you’ll be aware the old adage of, bullies been short on BOLLOCKS when the chips are down.
    LIBEL? Bollocks again, Would be terrified appearing in any court,whatever the charge with you the judge (parking ticket ah off with his SILLY looking head) are we to assume you know how many people were born in 1952 and got called a pug whilst in detention in Turkey? If yes, How.
    Was my SOURCE the same as the one on double speaker? more bollocks unless M Ingrim is a journalist.
    Most targeted sinn fein politician of the troubles? also means luckiest spinn fein politician of the troubles including ( before entering politics, just imagine the outcry should the courts allow every ALLEDGED robber to walk scott free after being caught RED HANDED in the process of the crime) more bollocks.
    In the heat of a FIRED UP POST ? (you should have gone to spec savers) more bollocks
    CREDABILITY and AUTHORITY ? more bollocks as was I not using my post in an effort to attain information that would possibly aid the credibility and authority of the subject at hand, proven out by three replying posts.
    INUENDO and WHISPERS as opposed to ACTUAL EVENT ? more bollocks, because one particular event takes place are we to assume others automatically can not have?
    GRAMMATICAL ERRORS ? More bollocks. You wrote THAT IS ALL and kept on writing as I have all of the above remaining without libel.
    FANTASISER ? Hands up you got me there but I won’t go into the detail as children may have access to the site.
    All in all you’ve got me over a barrel on my handle so maybe in the interest of making up. Give me yours and you become GULLIBIL don’t worry, they say its painless.

    SO YOU SHOULD BE OKAY.

  • circles

    Awful spelling realst (not just the name) – in no way does anything for the credibility of your babbling.

  • realst

    Circles

    Many thanks for the correct spelling of my
    chosing handle.

  • IRIA

    is it safe to assume that this “tip” didn’t make it into today’s papers?

  • Grassy Noel

    Tune in tomorrow IRIA, I spoke to the same source who tells me Adams has Vulcan blood.

    Mr Spock has gone into hiding in the Donegal hills!

  • realst

    What’s this, shoot the messenger day boys .
    Please don’t start behaving like spinn feiner boot boys
    All is happening in good faith and anticipation of a result
    Surely we have all learnt to be patient with matters of this nature .

  • test

    Testing to see if my connection is working

  • Cerridwen

    Has there been any more development on this?

  • IRIA

    In Realst’s defense, I did read on another site, a rumor that there MAY be someone else “exposed” in the near future, but that was literally all the “info” provided. And, it was in a Republican affiliated forum.

  • Tattler

    UPDATE:

    Martin Ingram 5 reported to be preparing a press release detailing his very important role in engineering this incredible intelligence coup.

  • Jimmy O’Cavanagh

    Any reports on when the press release will be, and is it really Maskey. Waiting with bated breath – hope I dont suffocate!