Edwin stumbles

Culture Minister, Edwin Poots, has admitted to refusing to attend every Irish language event he has been invited to since taking office on the grounds that he was “not a speaker of Irish.”
However, his lack of knowledge of the “wee dafty wean” lingo has not prevented him from attending five Ulster Scots events in his time as Minister. Before the Chinese, Polish and other ethnic minority groups rip up their glossy invites to the Culture Minister, his spokesperson did inform the Irish News that he decides “on each event as it comes in.”
In which case, I think we can safely conclude, it’s a case of “No Irish Need Apply.”

  • Democratic

    FFS! – Now we are importing patronisation – as if we don’t have enough on this thread already…..
    It’s so nice to be told what you are allowed to hold as cultural – you would think the lessons on this very subject would have sunk in by now……

  • dewi

    Democratic – “you would think the lessons would have sunk in by now” – Now who is being patronising? Lol. It’s interesting that on Slugger interest in Irish and Ulster Scots are certainly not mutually exclusive – indeed the opposite holds true.

  • “his lack of knowledge of the “wee dafty wean” lingo”

    Let’s hope Poots doesn’t descend to insulting children who are mentally ill or who have Downs Syndrome.

  • Adacentatheist

    ‘FFS! – Now we are importing patronisation ‘

    Exactly where did I tell you what you (‘It’s so nice to be told’) ‘are allowed to hold as cultural’?
    I prefixed my opinion by describing it as ‘my tuppence worth’. I had formed the impression that different opinions were allowed on this site – or is that only different opinions from people living in N.I.?

  • Democratic

    Hi Dewi – yes I agree with the cross-over of interest between Irish & Ulster Scots – but I strongly suspect the problems on these issues are not caused by those that have any real and genuine interest in either but are more motivated by others getting a dig into the other political persuasion for their own gratification…..
    PS- It was not my intention to join the ranks of the patronisers – my apologies if thats how I came across.

  • cut the bull

    I’ve never made it through the first verse of one of ctb’s ditties without wanting to tear my eyes from my head. You might have some very valid points but fella, c’mon, those adaptations, brutal…still, each to their own,

    Posted by good grief on Mar 05, 2008 @ 05:31 PM

    Good grief this one is dedicated to all Sluggerites but especially for you. All the best,

    Always look on the Brightside of Life

    Some threads on slugger are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse.
    Whether you’re from the land of Shamrock, Leek, Rose or Thistle
    Don’t grumble, give a whistle
    And go to your keyboard, to type and do your best…

    And…always look on the bright side of life…
    Even if you think the songs are shite…

    If life seems jolly rotten
    There’s something in your post you’ve forgotten
    And that’s to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
    When you’re feeling in the dumps
    Don’t be silly chumps
    Just purse your lips and whistle – that’s the thing.

    And…always look on the bright side of life…
    Even if you think the songs are shite…

    For life is quite absurd
    And some posts and threads are full of turd
    You must always face this website with a bow.
    Forget about your sins – give the fellow Sluggerites a grin
    Enjoy it – it could be your last post anyhow.

    So always look on the bright side, even if the songs bore you to death
    Just before you draw your terminal breath

    The songs are full of shit
    When you look at it
    Life’s a laugh and the songs are a joke, it’s true.
    You’ll see it’s all a show
    To keep you laughing or angry as you go
    Just remember if you’re angry,that the last laugh is on you.

    And always look on the bright side of life…
    Always look on the right side of life…
    (Come on guys, cheer up!)
    Always look on the bright side of life…
    Always look on the bright side of life…
    (Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
    Always look on the bright side of life…
    (I mean – what have you got to lose?)
    (You know, you come from nothing – you’re going back to nothing.

  • cut the bull

    I’ve never made it through the first verse of one of ctb’s ditties without wanting to tear my eyes from my head. You might have some very valid points but fella, c’mon, those adaptations, brutal…still, each to their own,

    Posted by good grief on Mar 05, 2008 @ 05:31 PM

    Good grief this one is dedicated to all Sluggerites but especially for you. All the best,

    Always look on the Brightside of Life

    Some threads on slugger are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse.
    Whether you’re from the land of Shamrock, Leek, Rose or Thistle
    Don’t grumble, give a whistle
    And go to your keyboard, to type and do your best…

    And…always look on the bright side of life…
    Even if you think the songs are shite…

    If life seems jolly rotten
    There’s something in your post you’ve forgotten
    And that’s to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
    When you’re feeling in the dumps
    Don’t be silly chumps
    Just purse your lips and whistle – that’s the thing.

    And…always look on the bright side of life…
    Even if you think the songs are shite…

    For life is quite absurd
    And some posts and threads are full of turd
    You must always face this website with a bow.
    Forget about your sins – give the fellow Sluggerites a grin
    Enjoy it – it could be your last post anyhow.

    So always look on the bright side, even if the songs bore you to death
    Just before you draw your terminal breath

    The songs are full of shit
    When you look at it
    Life’s a laugh and the songs are a joke, it’s true.
    You’ll see it’s all a show
    To keep you laughing or angry as you go
    Just remember if you’re angry,that the last laugh is on you.

    And always look on the bright side of life…
    Always look on the right side of life…
    (Come on guys, cheer up!)
    Always look on the bright side of life…
    Always look on the bright side of life…
    (Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
    Always look on the bright side of life…
    (I mean – what have you got to lose?)
    (You know, you come from nothing – you’re going back to nothing.

  • Nevin,

    if the new future requires us all to run around shouting that the Emperor has fine new clothers, when his willy is flapping about for the whole world to see, then I for one will not be playing along.

    Diversity isn’t about either a sterile indentity-cleansed public space, but it isn’t about creating an artificial and false equality either. There isn’t a single person in Ulster who speaks or writes in the official language of the Boord O Leid, the Ulster-Scots Agency or the eeksi-peeksi job advert. It is an invented fiction by a group of Unionists who are too insecure in their own identity to cope with Irish. Some of whom have virtually no Scottish ancestry anyway. (Ulster-Scots in Lisburn or Lurgan ? Think we need to learn more about our 17th and 18th Century history here!!!)

    As I said before, I’m all in favour of promoting Ulster-Scots culture and the Scots-influenced dialects as the informal, oral, traditions they are. But don’t expect me to call arrant, politicially motivated, nonsense anything other than what it is.

    And, as you’re well aware, I’m hardly the most popular person with the Irish language lobby on this site either…

  • Democratic

    To Sammy Morse – Whatever about the rest of your post and your quest to categorise those who don’t share your views of Ulster-Scots into a neat little box of Anti-Irish bigots – This part however interests me “Diversity isn’t about either a sterile indentity-cleansed public space, but it isn’t about creating an artificial and false equality either” – explain please if you would.

  • RG Cuan

    Diversity isn’t about either a sterile indentity-cleansed public space, but it isn’t about creating an artificial and false equality either – explain please if you would.

    Well i think we all can work out what the artificial and false element in NI’s diversity is! Do ye not ken yerself wha it is Democratic?

  • gaelgannaire

    RG,

    A doubt yer maun Morse has nay time fur Ulster Scots fowk an oor ain braid spakes at aw.

    Nay wan a them wha lits an tha thare luckin for till keap ‘er hamely!

    Hie ye tha much a tha braid RG?

  • Democratic

    Sadly I don’t think anymore needs to be said here – I’m off…..(shakes head and goes back to work)

  • AntiChrist

    Proddy Poots wont go to Gaelic events.

    But Gaelic-speaker Ruane will go to Proddy schools.

    One doesn’t have to be a Professor of Darwinian Science to know who is going to win and who is going to lose here.

    Enjoy it while you can, Plug.

  • Winners & Losers

    “One doesn’t have to be a Professor of Darwinian Science to know who is going to win and who is going to lose here.”

    That’s what it all comes down to doesn’t it after all the shared spaces and culture crap is said and done.
    Eyes are certainly being opened.

  • RG Cuan

    Well Gael Gan Náire, how’s she gain?

    A’m nae frae ainy spot wher they spake in tha braid ach a hae a ween a wurds awricht. Tis a quare fasinatin’ way a spakin’.

  • gaelgannaire

    Aye, an’ yer tha quare boy whas up till it hi!

  • I have it on good authority that tomorrow morning Lá Nua will report on a grand old DUP U-turn. On Monday, as we know, the Minister for Culture and Arsing Around at Leisure said he couldn’t attend any Irish language event he had been invited to as he has no command of the Irish language.

    He has, of course, attended a few Ulster Scots events though. One wonders whether he qualifies himself to attend those on account of his membership of the Orange Order as he has no command of Ulster Scots that I’m aware of.

    Minister Poots is to open a language conference being organised by POBAL, the umbrella organisation for the Irish language in the north and the key opinion formers re the Irish language.

    Given that the dUp didn’t get their name for nothing – U standing for U-turn in this case – I’m sure he’ll be welcomed by the throng attending the conference at the Europa. Minister Poots should expect some tough questioning, in whatever language he cares to mention (no doubt simultaneous translation facilities will be available) regarding his stance on the Irish language, his axing of the Irish Language Broadcast Fund and his precipitious and sectarian shelving of the Irish Language Act.

  • “It is an invented fiction by a group of Unionists who are too insecure in their own identity to cope with Irish.”

    Sammy, have you considered the possibility that they and other folks might be more interested in Lallans and Ullans than in Irish, maybe quite interested in all three?

    “They took nae pains their speech to balance,
    Or rules to gie;
    But spak their thoughts in plain, braid lallans,
    Like you or me.

    —Robert Burns in Epistle To William Simson”

  • Democratic

    “his axing of the Irish Language Broadcast Fund and his precipitious and sectarian shelving of the Irish Language Act.”

    Wouldn’t the above line suggest that an Irish Language Act being “shelved” is a sectarian act by a Protestant on Catholics – Is that the perception of who would have ownership of an Irish Language Act even amongst the Irish Language faithful?

  • barnshee

    Irish Language Primary schools should continue to be supported?

    The parents of children sent to such schools are generally not native irish speakers– Irish is not the first spoken language at home

    These schools produce some children with some command of Irish -who transfer to secondary schools- years behind their fellow pupils who have attended English medium schools.

    Overwhelmingly such children are disadvantaged as they enter secondary education

    How many Irish secondary schools are there?
    How soon do the products of Irish language schools catch up?
    Do they catch up?

  • Democratic – there are none so blind as those who will not see.

    The Irish Language Broadcast Fund is open to everyone, however the DUP feels it benefits only one side of the community. That is why recently, February 25, 2008, DUP MLA Jimmy Spratt, made this observation:
    We have also seen devolution deliver greater funding for our culture. For the first time, funding to Ulster-Scots will be greater than funding to the Irish sector. This money can be used for capacity building in order to increase community activity within the Unionist and Protestant family.

    Given that the DUP are openly declaring their sectarian intent, I don’t see any reason why Irish language speakers and supporters shouldn’t call a spade a spade…..

    Democratic’s observation in this instance is a bit like blaming a rape victim for being attacked and then reporting it as such to the authorities

  • I think Barnshee will find that it’s the product of other schools who have to catch up with the graduates of Irish medium education.

  • RG Cuan

    BARNSHEE

    What planet are you living on?

    Bilingual education across the world, Ireland included, has been shown to provide many extra benefits and advantages over monolingual education.

    Not only are pupils fluent in two languages, they learn at a quicker pace, have a greater understanding of diversity etc. Research even suggests that being bilingual can slow the aging process!

    http://www.exploringabroad.com/articles/bilingual-benefits.htm

  • barnshee

    “I think Barnshee will find that it’s the product of other schools who have to catch up with the graduates of Irish medium education.

    I hate to burst your bubble but If you don`t believe me and want specifics ask the principal of Cross and Passion in Ba***c*stle ( or produce the stats that show those with a primary education in Irish equal or out perform those from English Primary education

  • Dewi

    Research even suggests that being bilingual can slow the aging process!
    And the products of bilingual education are better in bed………

  • RG Cuan

    Well of course Dewi, i didn’t want to brag…

  • Poor old Barnshee, stuck in his monoglot world….

    Here’s another reminder of the DUP’s sectarian agenda regarding the Irish language:

    A quote from statement issued by Laird Brown earlier today following the appearance at an Irish Language Event by the Minister for Big Ears, Edwin Poots.

    By constantly linking this language to republicanism in general and republican terrorism in particular they ensure the outright rejection of this language by the unionist community

    Of course he’s right, the DUP and other unionists have a great deal for which to answer.