Everywhere but the Assembly..

While the Assembly debated the motion on the Paul Quinn murder yesterday, the BBC’s Mark Devenport tells us that his colleague Gareth Gordon spotted a clean shaven Alex Maskey at Belfast City Airport last night – apparently on his way to London “to brief MPs, representatives of London Embassies and the media on the current situation in the political process, and in particular the issue of Policing and Justice and the transfer of powers to the Assembly.” Meanwhile, Sinn Féin have announced that the party leadership, including Gerry Adams, “will be in Leinster House tomorrow discussing the transfer of power of policing and justice in the North.” Alternatively they could try talking to the Assembly Committee inquiring into those matters.. Or, perhaps, they could ask the Taoiseach how much ‘slippage’ he has in mind?

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  • DC

    The St Andrews Agreement and the conditions thereafter allows me to hover over into the Republican camp on this one because policing and justice is something that should be delivered this year due to that ‘agreement’; however, with reference to Prof Bew’s analogy, Northern Ireland’s Hitler-Stalin pact could come a cropper if DUP frigidity sets in, which is probably more a party-issue than a potential wider attitudinal one of the people.

    Despite research to the contrary showing a lack of support for devolution of P&J; remember too that research also showed that people generally were found apathetic to devolution. But here it is today back once more.

    This is what happens when you devolve power to Sinn Fein and the DUP in agreement and endorse it electorally.

    The only weight dragging SF’s pace for it is that of Paul Quinn which could back fire with enough force to keep that party quiet and vindicate the DUP’s stance of delay.

    That said, both governments seem keen to deliver on the deadline but there is a certain flux in the DUP now which will make it difficult for the party to meet that deadline, even if everything was already very rosy across the political spectrum.

  • Pete Baker

    DC

    Go and read the ‘slippage’ link in the original post again.

  • Twinbrook

    shock news…..

    another thread on slugger that mentions SF and the Quinn murder!!!!

    And they still believe there isn`t a political bias on this site…..

    Is it true, SF in the 60`s owned casinos in Cuba, led the Bay of Pigs fiasco and then assassinated Kennedy for his inaction?

  • lib2016

    The problem for unionism is that they still haven’t realised that the future is here now and that they need the leadership to deal with it here and now. Yesterday Bertie told the Dail, the Parliament of a friendly country and one whose support the British frequently need that “”We are putting all our efforts into helping the Finucane family by exerting the maximum pressure on the British government and the British system.”

    He made it plain that in his view MI5 and MI6 are making foreign policy for Britain. That, in his words, “..I came across a number of Chinese walls. I do not believe we will obtain a great deal from these sources.”

    Today Bertie meets Canadian Judge Cory in a well resourced campaign which will continue. This is about corruption and murder by the British government, not in some transitional arrangement to prop up a regional pretend-entity but murder in defence of a real functioning part of Europe. But sure let’s drift on and pretend that unproven attacks on Sinn Fein are what really matter and waffle about bigotry on the streets of Dromore are important. Then we can whine about the manifest destiny of the ‘Ulster Protestant’ to hold power for ever and everything else ‘isn’t fair’.

  • DC

    The core issue is political interpretion of current and past events to the extent that the adminstration qualifies for new policing powers.

    The Sinn Fein motion seems to make clear that they still do not back the police. Until it is devolved. However, statements to the contrary from Sinn Fein’s MLAs would indicate that they seemingly do.

    My frustrations rest with more time wasting in order that the DUP can re-condition its vote base to ensure it doesn’t disintegrate, but the DUP must allow for a certainty to happen within the devolutionary context. If this fails then kiss goodbye to governance NI.

    P&J;will have to happen given political reorientation or at least a template for reorientation, as shown by SF, it is just when and the when matters to SF as much as the SF reorientation matters to the DUP.

    If we are wasting time so as it becomes saleable to the DUP to save its core vote and drive then that’s a matter for the negotiators of that deal within the DUP.

    It was made clear enough after St Andrews that devolution of policing was to happen especially as decommissioning has been verified.

    The thrust of St Andrews framed this, they along with SF were the lead parties to it and if chickens are coming home all well and good. The DUP were supposed to have ‘gotten it right’ well if they didn’t explain to their constituents the apparent realities of this deal then they should have ensured that:

    a) policing was off the table or,
    b) told the constituents the truth about what was to come.

    Instead more stalling so that the old conservative voting bloc can become accustomed to the fact of fully devolved power-sharing.

    Save that of SF-led political encouragement for renewal of terrorism, the devolving of policing and justice has to happen sometime soon, otherwise wider confidence in power-sharing will diminish perhaps to the point of collapse.

    Its just those who know this will have to wait more years so as other ignorants become ‘learned’ to new the true outcomes of St Andrews and the GFA before it. DUP bluff will have to be replaced with an admission of what they were party to.

    So here we are once again whiling away time slugging it out as to who really said what while the objective is pretty much agreed. Exasperation over a deal that was supposed to be got right.

  • Mick Fealty

    Twinbrook,

    Do you read any of the other threads on Slugger?

  • Twinbrook

    I would, but the deluge of anti-SF, anti-Republican threads takes up too much time…..

    maybe objectivity will spread to the likes of the smaller, nay nearly non-existent groups in society, UUP, sdlp who masquerade(on this site only),as fully fledged spokespersons for communities who longer support or gave any credence to their ramblings and no longer accredit them with living in reality….

    until them my fight for equality goes on….

  • Reader

    DC: So here we are once again whiling away time slugging it out as to who really said what while the objective is pretty much agreed.
    “pretty much”, eh? What have you got in writing? (SF press releases don’t count)

  • Reader

    Twinbrook: another thread on slugger that mentions SF and the Quinn murder!!!!
    There’s no point in just complaining – strike back. There are SF and other republican bloggers on Slugger. Get them to try to implicate Alliance or the UUP in the Quinn murder. See if the mud sticks.

  • Ian

    Pete,

    The 26th March 2007 ‘deadline’ for the current devolution wasn’t an enforceable deadline either, as the DUP showed, but low and behold 6 weeks later they were in there sharing power with SF.

    I think you focus too much on what is legally enforceable, as opposed to what is politically astute/necessary from the DUP’s perspective.

  • I would, but the deluge of anti-SF, anti-Republican threads takes up too much time…..

    Sure, Republicans weren’t involved in the Quinn murder, according to Conor Murphy, so why would this be an anti-Republican thread?

  • enda kenny

    Westminster yesterday

    From PMQs yesterday.

    Mr. Nigel Dodds (Belfast, North) (DUP): The Prime Minister will be aware that the horrific murder of Paul Quinn casts a serious shadow over the stability of devolved institutions in Northern Ireland. Serious allegations have been made about the involvement of current members of the Provisional IRA in that murder. Will the Prime Minister reiterate the commitment given that if any party—in this case, Sinn Fein—is found to be in default, he will not punish all the parties in Northern Ireland but ensure that devolution continues and that only the party in default is punished? It is absolutely vital to send a clear message to the people of Northern Ireland, who are growing increasingly concerned about the seriousness of the allegations.

    The Prime Minister: I share the hon. Gentleman’s concern that the Quinn murder should be properly investigated. I have reason to believe that that is exactly what is happening, and there is co-operation on both sides of the border for that to happen. There is no evidence that IRA people are involved, but of course that must be investigated in full. Once that is investigated, we will know the full results. I hope the hon. Gentleman would agree that no criminals should be allowed to derail a peace process that has the support of millions of people in Northern Ireland, which he and others have played a great part in moving forward, so let us send out a message that no criminals will be allowed to derail the peace process.

  • enda kenny

    From PMQs yesterday. No doubt your stunningly perceptive England Department missed this one too.

    Mr. Nigel Dodds (Belfast, North) (DUP): The Prime Minister will be aware that the horrific murder of Paul Quinn casts a serious shadow over the stability of devolved institutions in Northern Ireland. Serious allegations have been made about the involvement of current members of the Provisional IRA in that murder. Will the Prime Minister reiterate the commitment given that if any party—in this case, Sinn Fein—is found to be in default, he will not punish all the parties in Northern Ireland but ensure that devolution continues and that only the party in default is punished? It is absolutely vital to send a clear message to the people of Northern Ireland, who are growing increasingly concerned about the seriousness of the allegations.
    The Prime Minister: I share the hon. Gentleman’s concern that the Quinn murder should be properly investigated. I have reason to believe that that is exactly what is happening, and there is co-operation on both sides of the border for that to happen. There is no evidence that IRA people are involved, but of course that must be investigated in full. Once that is investigated, we will know the full results. I hope the hon. Gentleman would agree that no criminals should be allowed to derail a peace process that has the support of millions of people in Northern Ireland, which he and others have played a great part in moving forward, so let us send out a message that no criminals will be allowed to derail the peace process.

  • sceolaing

    Twinbrook.
    Here is what O’Dowd of S.F. said in Stormont re Paul Quinn, ” The quinn murder has produced a set of circumstances that are not unique but that require a response because of their political implications. That is why S.F. proposes an alternative view to that stated by other parties.”
    There you go, rather than any knowledge S.F proposed ‘an alternative’ because of ‘political implications.’ then, alleging that others are using the situation he goes on to say “Therefore, S.F. has submitted a scenario, or an option, that the killing might be related to something else.”
    There we have S.F. honesty for a change, they came up with ‘alternatives’ to suit their own purpose! Scenarios and options!!! This is the best they can do???

  • DC

    “pretty much”, eh? What have you got in writing? (SF press releases don’t count)

    Nothing that much apart from the fact that the two governments want it to happen, and on the wider implementation scale the two governments have gotten what they have wanted so far.

    It’s their peace process. Or as Tony Blair said ‘it’s my peace process’.

    So it’s only a matter of time now that the devolutionary trap has sprung. Otherwise we can go back to 1985 and do it thay way.