Lies, damned lies and…

Ireland 8th in the world for the empowerment of women? Can’t believe it? The answer’s simple: there’s not been a male President since Mary Robinson won office in 1990. IN fact the Republic comes 74th in terms of women’s representation in parliament and 28th for the number of women in Government”.

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  • Through making tea and sandwiches women can also be empowered.

  • barneyben

    Mick,

    Your The Queen should have helped the UK’ ranking no end, it’s been yonks since she won office.

  • harry

    hey ..leave the queen alone!

    she does alot for tourism

  • Outsider

    I all for womens lib as long as my dinners ready when I return home from work.

  • Good thing I’m not a fire breathing feminist or else Chekov and Outsider would be in trouble-lol!

    But really, as a woman, I do think Ireland has really allowed the political voices of its women be heard more than many other countries, that’s not to say its perfect, but its a step in the right direction.

  • dewi

    Luc – not in the North though?

  • Outsider

    Luc – not in the North though?

    Or in Northern Ireland Dewi.

  • This is not a million miles from a similar thread about our own native blogosphere. For which see Carolyn Kay’s http://makethemaccountable.com/. The link will then redirect to:

    You know THE Question.

    “Where are all the women bloggers?”

    In view of the warm aftershave, beery and rugger-bugger aroma exuded by too many of the usual suspects here on Slugger, let’s be wary of casting nasturtiums.

    Oh dear, I feel a blog-entry coming on.

  • harry

    or even in the occupied 6 counties

  • Outsider

    Or even in our wee country.

  • Malcolm–

    that’s a good link, but it’s wrong to say women have more diverse blogs than men though. Lots of male bloggers I know have spectacularly diverse blogs. But it is pretty true that mostly of the political bloggers are male and they are the stars of the blogosphere, but I don’t think that’s due to any kind of sexism at all. God knows I’m trying to build up my blog into a real presence and if it doesn’t happen I doubt seriously it’ll have anything to do with the fact I’m a woman or the diversity of topics I cover.

  • Outsider–

    Women are definitely under-represented in NI which is a shame…I’ve not seen anyone take any steps to correct that though.

  • Outsider

    Women are definitely under-represented in NI which is a shame…I’ve not seen anyone take any steps to correct that though.

    With an ageing population the men will be calling on their women folk to bear them more children to reverse this trend so women have a big part to play in the future.

  • I Wonder

    As the average western male sperm count is declining at historically unprecdeented levels, the development of artifical human sperm in the near future will finally render the male redundant.

    This will allow men to dedicate EVEN more of their time to producing their own un-needed semen – on their own, as now.

  • Well that is true Outsider, but I hope these women will also make their own voices heard in NI’s political scene, not just through their children.

  • dewi

    Croquet Luc? Surely not LOL.
    One thing we seem to have got right here is the gender balance thing – it’s about half and half in the Welsh Assembly.

  • parci

    I wonder, the image of a matriarchy with men in Y-fronts prostrate and kissing the stiletto heel of the dominatrix is still a way off yet.

    though there’s probably an adult vid out there somewhere 🙂

  • Outsider

    I wonder

    Its a shame women became redundant years ago, they never fully recovered after the advent of the dishwashers and sandwich toaster.

  • Yeah, the welsh assembly’s a good example Dewi.

    I fear what people think feminism is- like Parci says nowadays its viewed as a means of domination instead of social discourse. I don’t condone even slightly militant feminism and take it as somewhat of an insult what they do in the name of women. Men and women are different, not better or worse than each other, just different.

    Outsider–that’s ridiculous statement and I hope you’re just being funny. Its as if saying men have become redundant since vibrators came around!

  • me

    Mary Robinson did a fine job, and so is McAleese. Men would not have been able to do half their work. Capable fine women.

    Where are all the women bloggers, they’re there, but can’t shine thru due to the large oversized ego’s of the men!

    It’s the men who like to gossip, who are bad drivers and who have done such a bad job in politics. Time for a change, bring on Hilary Clinton!

  • Cut the bull

    I totally agree that there should be more women involved in politics in Ireland and for that matter through out the world.

    Having said that I would sincerely hope with never ever get another Maggie Thatcher.

  • May I commend Luciana for her persistence, her pertinacity (which, despite the thesaurus doesn’t mean the same thing, and so that isn’t a redundancy) and her modesty?

    Her blog is http://thegreatconnect.wordpress.com/ and well worth the visit.

    And, by the way, me @ 05:28 PM, she’s Hillary.

    I’m surprised, by the way, that nobody has yet pointed out that Con Markiewicz qualifies not just as the first woman to be elected to Westminster but also to make Cabinet rank in the UK. And, yes, the second half of that was a trick answer; but her position as Minister of Labour in the First Dáil was — though outlawed — still in the UK. And she beat Margaret Bondfield to the rank by a decade.

    Pity that things went backwards after that. After Markiewicz, there wasn’t another woman in the Cabinet until 1979 (as Minister for the Gaeltacht, no less). Between 1922 and 1977 only 25 women were elected to Dáil. FG deserve credit for putting women into winnable contests during the 1970s and after: Labour and FF then played catch up.

    See Yvonne Gilligan’s Chapter 6 in “Sharing Power: Women, Parliament and Democracy”.

  • cut the bull

    Sorry slight correction

    Having said that I would sincerely hope we never ever get another Maggie Thatcher.

  • Pete Baker

    ctb

    Advocating “more women involved in politics” – but only those whose political views you agree with – would be missing the point somewhat..

    And the same is true of political bloggers.

  • Outsider

    Good point Pete I wouldn’t particularly mind another Thatcher at least she stood up to Sinn Fein/ira.

  • Pete Baker

    Outsider

    “Advocating “more women involved in politics” – but only those whose political views you agree with – would be missing the point somewhat..”

  • Dewi

    Malcolm – loved your blog on getting food aid from Ethiopia – brilliant

    http://redfellow.blogspot.com/

    About fourth one down – well worth a read.

    On topic – strange in all the boring tribal stuff that Women have seem to have disappeared.

  • Outsider

    “Advocating “more women involved in politics” – but only those whose political views you agree with – would be missing the point somewhat..”

    Pete

    I think you have missed the point I am not advocating more women in politics, I simply said I liked Thatcher and would not mind someone coming along in a similar vein male or female.

  • Pete Baker

    No, Outsider. No point missed at all.

    You want confirmation of your views.

    That’s the opposite of what is needed.

  • Outsider

    Whats the point in voting for people in politics if you don’t share some visions with them.

    Of course I want confirmation of my views, I am a Unionist and I want people in political office that conform to my views, I don’t think I’m different from anyone else.

  • Pete Baker

    Yes Outsider.

    But confirmation of your own views is not the reason why a fully participatory democracy might be a good thing.

    And, regardless of the arguments over which system of democracy is actually employed, the key is that – if you favour democratic representation, then you should also favour other political views being represented within that system.

  • Outsider

    if you favour democratic representation, then you should also favour other political views being represented within that system.

    Pete

    I never said anything to the contrary.

  • Pete Baker

    Outsider

    Indeed. But your expressed preference for your own views to be replicated in elected representatives is hardly in line with the contention of the original post.

    In other words, you either agree with that contention, or you do not.

  • Me–

    Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate all you’ve said very much. 🙂

    Outsider–

    Pete is right, if you believe women should be more represented in the political arena of NI then it’s women you’re routing for. Not Feinian woman, Not Loyalist Women, but women as a nonpoliticised group. Of course when it came down to your individual vote you would support the person who’s views are in line with your own.

    Cut the bull–

    I’ve got to agree on the Thatcher bid, lets hope we’ve seen the last of that kind of ‘leadership’

  • Reader

    Luciana: I’ve got to agree on the Thatcher bid, lets hope we’ve seen the last of that kind of ‘leadership’
    Yeah, ideology has had its day. What the world really needs is Spin, Cronyism, Clientelism, and the Gombeen men…

  • cut the bull

    Pete Iwill say it again I hope we never ever get another Maggie Thatcher. It is a democracy I am entitled to have that hope and hold that view, just as people are entitled to elect another politician of Maggies ilk. All that I am saying is Ihope it does’nt happen again

  • Reader–

    Sorry, but Thatcher is not a politician I like at all- she was actually quite cruel.

    We don’t need spin, or all that, but certainly we do not need her.

  • dewi

    Slightly tangential but ain’t it ironic that the leader of the free world will, in all probability, be led by members of two families for 24 consecutive years (with an option for another 4) – I think there is something fundamentally rotten in US politics – probably to do with money.Why that is relevant is that I’m not sure a Clinton victory will be good for women’s rights. Whole process seems a bit squalid.

  • Outsider

    Pete is right, if you believe women should be more represented in the political arena of NI then it’s women you’re routing for. Not Feinian woman, Not Loyalist Women, but women as a nonpoliticised group. Of course when it came down to your individual vote you would support the person who’s views are in line with your own.

    Luciana

    Again I do not believe there should be more women in politics all I said is that I admired the way Thatcher stood up to sinn fein/ira.

  • Outsider–

    And why shouldn’t competent women be in politics? Just wondering why you say that…

  • Reader

    Luciana: Sorry, but Thatcher is not a politician I like at all- she was actually quite cruel.
    Ideology can certainly give that impression. Or it could be superficial cruelty of the old saying – “You have to be cruel to be kind”

  • Reader–

    Then you’d have to say the same thing about Sinn Fein and the IRA as well wouldn’t you…but no one here seems willing to admit that bit of it.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Pete, give Outsider a break… he’s admitted to being a fan of Maggie, and ergo, the Ango-Irish Agreement. Surely a political shift on his part?!

    :o)

  • Brian Boru

    We have some way to go yet I’ll confess but we’re not doing too bad. I favour quotas for Dail representation but even many women seem opposed to it. I think women just aren’t as interested in politics.

  • J M

    Blair’s babes.