Ahern confirms Fianna Fail to organise in NI…

BERTIE Ahern has confirmed that Fianna Fail will organise in Northern Ireland, following speculation. According to PA, the Taoiseach today told a party meeting in Co Wicklow: “I am announcing that Fianna Fail the Republican Party, will now move to develop a strategy for organising on a 32 county basis. This moves reflects the dramatic changes we have seen across the island.” Foreign Affairs Minister Dermot Ahern is leading the charge north, which seems to indicate FF is taking this seriously. While potential partners the SDLP appear nonchalant – with a spokesperson saying that “the SDLP will be ready for the challenge or opportunity of such a future adjustment when it ripens” – you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be some seriously concerned members of that party right now. The deputy leader, for example, is (or was) strongly opposed to partnership with FF.

  • slug

    “smcgiff, you’d been stringing that nonsense out for 6 pages and all it took me was four short posts for you to admit you were talking shite. Do us all a favour and stick to your depth in future. ”

    Well he had no other course of action after linking us to an econometric study that showed the opposite of what he was arguing 🙂

  • kensei

    “That sounds like something someone from the SDLP would say after seeing yet another bastion fall to SF or what the PDs were all saying after being all-but wiped out in the last election.”

    Touché. But I think there is some merit in the argument. Atlee and Thatcher, or FDR or Reagan in the US made changes their opponents could not reverse. Their goals outlive them, and their period of power.

    You are right, I doubt the party involved really sees it that way. But cosmically I think it can be a worthwhile trade.

  • smcgiff

    ‘ you’d been stringing that nonsense out for 6 pages and all it took me was four short posts for you to admit you were talking shite. Do us all a favour and stick to your depth in future.’

    Nobody asked you to stick your nose in Oli. Slug and I were banging back and forth and were doing quite nicely without your tuppence worth.

    And, still you don’t get it.

  • sammaguire

    “It (Nationalism) wants to pay allegiance to sporting teams based in another jurisdiction and possibly even give their votes to another country’s political party.”

    Posted by John East Belfast on Sep 18, 2007 @ 01:34 PM

    The rot began when they (Unionists) put that statue of that foreigner up outside Stormont. Some countries just have no self belief in themselves. Don’t get me going about celebrating foreign battles.

  • Truth & Justice

    Great news for Unionism this will shred the republican and nationalst vote, unionism may have a chance to win seats it never dreamed of, i also belive it makes the union even safer great news bring it on.

  • Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    – Carson, defender of Ulster Unionism and an auld Dubliner, from Harcourt Street. Up the Dubs!

    – Truth and Justice (any relation to Peace and Justice?) but have you ever heard of coalitions in governments? Probably not! Weren’t some Unionist politicians recently calling for a united Unionist front, a merger of the DUP and UUP.

  • Labourman

    Slug,

    Membership is up by one third over the summer, though still shy. A major recruitment drive was agreed at AGM and one Union has agreed to run a membership campaign, with others looking to follow. Meetings will also be happening at Conference.

    We have held our first policy Forum and plans are under way for a launch event.

    Focus is shifting to relationship with Labour in the South.

  • Ulsterman

    Over two thousand years ago the geological frontiers of Ulster had been frontiers of human sentiment, the division of the island and its people into two parts was very much in existence, but with the introduction of the Irish Celt, the people of Ulster found out their new neighbours would not be happy with their own patch of Southern land. The Irish were expansionist land-grabbers and still are to this day, continuing to impose the Gaelic traditions and language like they imposed it thousands of years ago.

  • slug

    Thanks Labourman.

  • Bretagne

    “Great news for Unionism this will shred the republican and nationalist vote, unionism may have a chance to win seats it never dreamed of, i also belive it makes the union even safer great news bring it on”.

    Fair point T+J – but one of the failings of unionist thinking in my very humble opinion, has been a fascination of seats over ideas, and the short term nature of the thinking.

    In terms of seats, this may have the impact you mean – but only in a short term. In my view – basically that will be the case til SF lose ascendency in nationalist votes (I’ll come back to that)

    The Assembly has an effective mutual veto (cross-bench), and arguably nearing stalemate, and the value of an MP’s seat is now somewhat devalued. NI MPs’ will never have the balance of power in Westminster- and even if they did , changes they may want to the GFA have an effective veto in place – unionism is therefore locked in to a set of parliamentary mechanisms which will not provide it advantage. The only change to that would be if UUP is eaten by the tories.

    But FF/SDLP MP’s would have a lot of access to power in Dublin, through influencing NDP’s etc, and the BIC, so any loss in nationalist represention in NI short term, will be made up in terms of influence, and because they have access to resources – real delivery. And delivery will win them the majority position in Nationalism, and reverse the short term effect above.

    The big advantage that FF have- is that the British exchequer is trying to close the £6bn it costs them to run NI, and FF can pick up progress (and the impression of real progress) by marginally funding some roads and health services in NI. The closing unionist/nationalist voting gap overall, and the impact of the immigrant vote will ultimately decide the issue, not the number of seats. THe DUP could end up with 13 impotent MP’s, and unionism lose a border poll – there is no correlation between the two. To win the border poll though, requires nationalism to replace SF with a new force – and right on que, Bertie arrives. Middle class nationalists will not vote for a UI in sufficient numbers, with SF in charge in NI, but will probably vote for FF/SDLP. The long term game of FF is afoot…

  • sammaguire

    “THe DUP could end up with 13 impotent MP’s”

    Posted by Bretagne on Sep 19, 2007 @ 08:27 PM

    There’s a pharmaceutical plant down in Cork that may be of help to them…

  • Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    Says the Ulsterman….”Over two thousand years ago the geological frontiers of Ulster had been frontiers of human sentiment, the division of the island and its people into two parts was very much in existence, but with the introduction of the Irish Celt, the people of Ulster found out their new neighbours would not be happy with their own patch of Southern land. The Irish were expansionist land-grabbers and still are to this day, continuing to impose the Gaelic traditions and language like they imposed it thousands of years ago.”

    – THIS IS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE F.F.S.!

    Ah sure bless ye, btw, where did you recieve your education? Was it your grandfather and a bible, the source?

  • Ulsterman

    Says the Irish Gaelic land grabber, : “Ah sure bless ye, btw, where did you recieve your education?”

    Actually it was from ‘Irish’ sources in Cardinal Tomas O’Faitch and Eoin O’Neill, who aren’t afraid to admit how the original Ulster people became overrun by the Irish Gaelic.

    Ulster for the Ullish.

  • sammaguire

    Perhaps these mysterious Ullish people stayed long enough to leave behind the odd placename or two in Ullish??
    Your dislike of the Gaelic Irish is based on false insecurities. Nobody wants to send you “home” to Scotland. You belong on this island the same as us. Bury the hatchet!