“UDA and UVF leaderships are making an invaluable contribution”

Jim Gibney argues that “the carrot not the stick is needed to strengthen the pro-peace process UDA leadership” (ie the ‘good’ UDA). Strangely, although he mentions “Davy Adams, Gary Mc Michael, Billy Hutchinson and the late David Ervine”, without mention of the political projects that any of them were involved with. His piece scopes out a nasty dilemma:

The options facing those with influence over the UDA are simple: Help and support those in the leadership who are for the peace process and isolate those who are not or run the risk that this large organisation could disintegrates further into an armed criminal gang, which could threaten political progress here.

The problem is both a political and a policing one, although the solution is more political than policing.

Chief Constable Hugh Orde must ensure the UDA is free from manipulation by the intelligence services.

The PSNI can then confidently and effectively focus on the drug barons and peddlers.

Unionist politicians should publicly commit themselves to working with pro-peace loyalists and assist working-class communities to rid their areas of those preying on them.

Support of this nature will give the UDA leadership the space it needs to develop its political project unhindered.

Two questions arise:

– how we deduce that the UDA is free from manipulation by the intelligence services, when the one public body charged with oversight of the police, which, under the terms of the most recent agreement, has been purged of any oversight over their activities.

– what legitimate means is a paramilitary organisation going to use “to rid their areas” of the “drug barons and peddlars?”

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  • Trouble is most unionists you talk to hastily jump in with “its a policing problem” and don’t want to touch it with a barge pole.
    Having spent 10 yrs attacking SF, and denying links and influence with loyalist paramilitaries, you can understand why they don’t want to go near the shit on their own doorstep.
    Poison in the system, my arse, the system is fine and can be made to work, its the poison in the minds!
    How does that get addressed?

    Mick, where do I apply for a grant to build the cosmic ray-gun that will emit laser-beams of light, to act as giant mirrors; so that certain sections of society can take a good long hard look at themselves?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    “Jim Gibney argues that “the carrot not the stick is needed to strengthen the pro-peace process UDA leadership” (ie the ‘good’ UDA). ”

    Translated: “Please sir, we need more Danegeld, or else our barbarians won’t take us seriously.”

    “The options facing those with influence over the UDA are simple: Help and support those in the leadership who are for the peace process and isolate those who are not or run the risk that this large organisation could disintegrates further into an armed criminal gang, which could threaten political progress here. ”

    That ship has sailed, sorry to say. It’s nice he wants to close the barn door, but what’s the point, now that the animals run the streets?

    “The problem is both a political and a policing one, although the solution is more political than policing. ”

    180 degrees off. For starters, this collection of drug-dealing, protection extorting, sloped-browed, rot-gut swilling thugs aren’t political. They abdicated that role to the Unionist parties long ago. Their interests, beyond the above, is expandind their drug turf and making a dishonest dollar off the honest folk — all they’ve done is set their sites on “protecting” the government, rather than the corner pub.

    “Chief Constable Hugh Orde must ensure the UDA is free from manipulation by the intelligence services.

    The PSNI can then confidently and effectively focus on the drug barons and peddlers. ”

    No, the Chief Constable should ensure that the UDA is off the streets and in the klink, Then they can “confidently and effectively focus on the drug barons and peddlers”… but I repeat myself.

  • Otto

    Chief Constable Hugh Orde must ensure the UDA is free from manipulation by the intelligence services.

    As the Troubles have been over for nearly a decade I doubt very much whether British Intelligence has any desire to manipulate the UDA or any other Irish paramilitary groups now. I say it`s up to the PSNI now to deal with any UDA members or anyone else who step out of line.

  • Dave

    “The UDA was set up by the British government in the early seventies. It served their military needs in their war against the nationalist people.”

    What a load of bollocks.. I see that the propaganda machine is still hard at work..nuff said.

  • What if Jim really believes this stuff and is not just a cloying propagandist? I have always thought they were laying it on a bit thick and knew that themselves. Maybe that’s not how it is at all.