John Kelly, Former Provisional IRA leader, dies

Founding member of the Provisional IRA and former Sinn Féin assemblyman John Kelly has died after a long illness.
Born in Belfast, he joined the IRA in the early 1950s. He was leader of the Provisional IRA during the 1970 Arms Trial which implicated senior members of the Irish Government. Mr Kelly, former taoiseach Charles Haughey, Capt James Kelly, and Belgian businessman Albert Luykx were acquitted of conspiring to import arms illegally into the Republic for use in Northern Ireland.
Mr Kelly was no longer active in politics, having been de-selected for his assembly seat in Mid-Ulster, and later criticised the party’s decision to embrace policing. Last January, he co-wrote a letter with a former leader of IRA Maze hunger strikers, Brendan Hughes, under the umbrella group No More Lies, which was fiercely critical of the Sinn Féin leadership. It questioned whether threats said to have emanated from dissident republicans against Sinn Féin leaders, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and Gerry Kelly, were in fact genuine.
“In our view there are threats being made. But they are coming from Sinn Féin and are directed against republicans who seek a wider debate on the policing matter,” they wrote.
The Irish Times report: Former Provisional IRA leader Kelly dies; also, BBC, UTV.

  • smcgiff

    Small/pedantic correction. Should that be…

    future taoiseach Charles Haughey,

  • Malachi

    Very sorry to hear this, I always found him civil and obliging.

  • URQUHART

    I didn’t agree with his analysis on the use of violence to advance the republican cause, but he was at least a man who was honest and in his later life sought honesty from his erstwhile colleagues. It’s a pity he never got it.

  • ah well

    Sympathy to is family.
    Let’s not forget he led a longer and fuller life than the thousands his organisation butchered ever got the chance to.
    That’s a FACT. Delete if you can’t face the truth.

  • Malachi

    You’re absolutely right, ah well. His project was insane. There was no call for the madness Kelly and those round him unleashed.
    Paradoxically perhaps, he was in his later years a civil and decent man. And that isn’t a rarity in former paramilitaries either.

  • I Wonder

    The IRA did not kill “thousands.”

    There’s always 1 or 2 on any obituary who can’t help themselves.

  • ah well

    I’m afraid you’re quite wrong.
    PIRA killed over 2000 people. That’s ‘thousands’.

    Way, way more than any other armed group.

  • Paul

    Sorry to learn of the passing of John, a true Republican.

  • The people of Short Strand will always owe John a huge debt of gratitude. The area was incredibly close to being overrun and burned to the ground by Loyalists in 1972, but the assistance of John and many others prevented that.

    “There are in every generation those who shrink from the ultimate sacrifice, but there are in every generation those who make it with joy and laughter and these are the salt of the generations.”

  • iluvni

    aye, he’s a real loss, right enough. Next…

  • dear me

    He ran guns for national liberation then realised that it was all for nothing and that his leadership had sold him out while he wasn’t looking for seats in a British-administered county council. He died with everyone still using sterling, the border in place, the Queen the head of this state, and MI5 constructing its biggest base outside London on Irish soil.
    What a legend.

  • Virgin Mary

    Bye bye. In heaven now.

    God bless you John.

  • I Wonder

    The IRA did not kill over 2000 people.

    That is misinformation, spread by you and by others.

    http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/tables/Organisation_Responsible.html

    In any case, there is no evidence that Mr Kelly killed anyone.

  • Twelve Monkeys

    RIP John from a generation who sacrificed more than most can imagine.

  • South Derry Republican

    I mourne the passing of a decent republican. He took the fight to the British. Along the way he made a few mistakes and occasional enemies, not surprising when running an army at war. In later years, his conviction to rid the Island of the invader didn’t sit well with the Sinn Fein/British surrender project. He made many sacrifices and I know he has the respect of the grass roots republican family in South Derry. Its unfair that he didn’t see a United Ireland in his day but his input is noted and appreciated. I offer his family my deepest condolences at this difficult time. OC SDB IRA

  • Cromwell

    SDR,

    ” to rid the island of the invader”

    Who do you mean by this?

  • Cromwell

    Dead on I Wonder, it wasnt thousands, sure it was only, according to your sources, 1707 + how many they havent admitted to? Sure thats okay then.

    & Mr. Kelly never did noffin’!

  • I don’t want to censor people, but can we maintain some decorum?

  • Gilbert-Paul Jeannon

    Very sad to hear this news. My condolences to his family. He was a man of great intellect and a powerful speaker.

    he always made time to share his ideas with us lowly party workers,a great republican.

  • iluvni

    “OC SDB IRA”

    I’d imagine you should add WHM to that!

  • slug

    Hadn’t realised he was the actual leader of PIRA in 1970s.

  • Veritas

    Deepest sympathy to his family. Above all John was a loving and caring husband, father and grandfather.

  • Ato Chiffre

    A great little essay on Kelly can be found in Rosita Sweetman’s classic little work “On Our Knees” Ireland 1972. I quote from that book; page 201;

    “The Provisional IRA was the direct creation of a group of Cabinet Ministers in the Southern Government, with the tacit agreement of Jack Lynch
    and the help of a field committee made up largely of Irish Army intelligence officers.”

    Kelly is famously quoted as saying;

    “We came to Dublin, not to indulge in tea parties, nor to be entertained, but to elicit as far as we could, what was the opinion of the Fianna Fail Government in relation to the six counties. We did not ask for blankets, or feeding bottles, we asked for guns, and no one, from Taoiseach Jack lynch down refused that request or told us that it was contrary to Government policy.”

    As fascinating turn of events; the truth about which (like so much else) has never been properly revealed…..

  • Oranges for Sale

    Im not going to ‘pay my respects’ to anyone who i never personally knew, but I cant help thinking how many innocent people never even made it to old age thanks to this man and his chums.

    Another thing; if we’re going to start paying tribute to dead terrorist leaders then where will it end? Eulogies for Johnny Adair & Co when their time comes? I hope not…..

  • Mick on Sep 06, 2007 @ 02:14 PM “I don’t want to censor people, but can we maintain some decorum? “

    You didn’t censor many when S. O’Hanlon passed away either. However I do remember that you did remove the first posting about the passing of (I think) Harry West. There has never been much decorum shown with the passing of nationalists / republicans which, to me, originated with The Torygraph’s, Bruce A’s obit about Sean McBride.

    So…, I’m just waiting for time to pass (and reminding you that manners weren’t shown for some).

    John Kelly RIP. “When When the Falls was burning the Malone (and Leinster House) played their fiddles” but thankfully the likes of JK weren’t.

  • me

    sad loss

  • Dread Cthulhu

    shoe, even… *sigh*

  • Snakebite

    The difference is that this man held the respect of a large swathe of the republican family. When Mr druggy come thugs time comes, it will be most likely to be at the hands of his former comrades or a handler. Mr Kelly was a retired gentleman whose council was sought and opinion valued. You look about johnny when you need a fix.

  • slug

    As this man was the leader of PIRA it would be dishonest of me to say other than I agree with the person who wrote:

    “Im not going to ‘pay my respects’ to anyone who i never personally knew, but I cant help thinking how many innocent people never even made it to old age thanks to this man and his chums.”

  • Snakebite

    Slug: if you follow that line of thinking, then you wouldn’t pay tax as innocent iraqis are being killed by bombs you bought. Imagine going into a building that protection money had been paid on during its construction. Don’t ever take a taxi in Belfast. Dont put fuel in your car. And stay away from he pound shops!

  • Veritas

    What of the many who survived thanks to his (and his comrades)bravery in place like Lower Falls and Short Strand?

  • I Wonder

    “There has never been much decorum shown with the passing of nationalists / republicans”

    This is true.

    I’ve studied this carefully and can only (for example) contrast favourably the attitudes of David Ervine’s political opponents to his death with the attitudes shown by virtually ALL Unionist-minded posters to the death of any republican.

    Remarks made here and elsewhere about the death of a SF councillor gored to death by a bull earlier this year put any decent human being to shame.

    They can only be seen as deliberate, malicious efforts to hurt those connected with the deceased, who might now or at some future time happen across the comments on the Internet. Those making such comments should reflect on the future when inevitably, they will too, experience loss.

  • I Wonder,

    are you implying that it’s one sided by the posters?

    Secondly that the one sidedness is allowed by the Slugger O’Toole mods?

  • Martin Ingram

    To the family, sorry for your loss.

    A rare breed of man, a real Republican. A misguided individual but he was right up there with Lynagh, Hughes and McElwaine.

    RIP soldier.

    Ingram

  • Mick Fealty

    anonnymous,

    “You didn’t censor many when S. O’Hanlon passed away either.”

    You memory is failing you here. I cut seven comments completely and clipped or edited another 12 or 13. And I made 9 separate interventions asking for people to show some respect, before I had to close it down.

    You know what they say: if you are going to tell a lie, make it a big one!

  • Risen Belfast

    Very sad news. A man of integrity. RIP

  • Oranges for Sale

    Snakebite

    “Slug: if you follow that line of thinking, then you wouldn’t pay tax as innocent iraqis are being killed by bombs you bought. Imagine going into a building that protection money had been paid on during its construction. Don’t ever take a taxi in Belfast. Dont put fuel in your car. And stay away from he pound shops!”

    This is a bit of a stretch here is it not? I refuse to pay respects to anyone who has founded and been active in an organisation who specialised in murder. Not just the murder of protestants but also the murder of many catholics too. I feel that its simply folly to eulogise a man who was the leader of a terrorist organisation.

    “Aw those Shankill butchers? Sure they weren’t such a bad bunch….”.

    Does the line above sound absurd to you? Well it should, just as singing John Kelly’s praises sound absurd to me.

  • Mayoman

    Mick, can you say how many such interventions you had to make on the David Ervine obit thread? Just out of interest?

  • Mick Fealty

    There were several threads that I can find… one was never open to comments, and one was closed after five. The one announcing his death has nine comments closed on it: four out of the first six had to be closed because they contained some fairly close to the bone stuff.

    The issue here is respect. I understand that there are victims of the organisations such men worked for in the past. But common decency should prevail in these circumstances.

  • Mayoman

    Thanks Mick. I totally agree.

  • Rory

    What is to be said? John Kelly was a great Republican – and then some. Dedication, intelligence, courage, political nous, and above all integrity were the hallmarks he wore so naturally.

    Even at the height of conflict he was approachable to those who disagreed with him (as I sometimes did) and would listen patiently and politely to their argument, but he never followed other than his convictions. He could do no other nor be other than he was. He will be deeply mourned.

    Respects to his family.

  • Mick Fealty “You know what they say: if you are going to tell a lie, make it a big one! ”

    Ouch, are you implying that I lied… or did you just not read what I wrote that “You didn’t censor MANY… ” as there was still plenty of venom and hatred shown. You may have removed some and adjusted others but you certainly let the rabid dance on new graves.

    So while you imply I lied (and obviously I didn’t, you just didn’t read EXACTLY what I’d written) you on the otherhand allowed the hate come thro until “… I had to close it down”.

    As I said earlier… time will tell.

  • Mick Fealty

    ‘anonymous’,

    “you on the otherhand allowed the hate come thro until ‘… I had to close it down’.”

    I had emails from several Republicans thanking me for my efforts to keep the ship on an even keel.

    Since it got lost along with the rest of the thread, here’s an extract from one of my interventions explain, amongst other things, why I marked her passing:

    It was a courtesy, nothing more. It seems I was a little naive in expecting others to show a similar courtesy.

    One of the things that have become obvious to me in the time I’ve been running Slugger is the hard work and long hours that politicians and their party workers put in, in exchange for a lot emotional ups and downs.

    I did not know O’Hanlon, nor have I any personal estimation of her life or worth. But it seemed to me a simple civility to allow those who did to mark it publicly.

    I have no problem with the idea that people may have some critical things to say as well. But given the circumstances, I would only ask that people do so with a modicum of sensitivity.

    On a point of information, ‘we’ simply refers to Slugger in the abstract. I did not mean to speak on behalf of all our bloggers or commenters.

    Lastly. Civility is an important value that I have fought for over the four years I’ve been running Slugger. It is very easy to underestimate its value in upping the quality of discussion between people who hold opposing views.

    It’s particularly difficult when on the ground dirty tricks, misinformation, and political murder continue even 12 years into our peace process and seven years after the ‘historic’ Belfast Agreement.

    When I started out on the research for our study into the future of Unionism a few years back, I remember remarking to one of the early respondents in the DUP that political discourse in Northern Ireland needs a great deal more civility and bluntness.

    One without the other is meaningless. Too much civility and no bluntness leads to anodyne platitudes: not to mention a false consensus. Bluntness without civility is just war by other means.

    So by all means, be blunt. But be civil also!

    As someone who works long and hard to keep this show on the road however, I reserve my own rights jealously.

    In truth, I bust a gut over that thread and in the end, I simply had to give up.

    Now if you want to go throwing baseless charges about the place, fine. Just expect to get called on it when you get it so badly wrong!

  • nospinplease

    I refuse to pay respects to anyone who was involved in the founding or was active in the RUC organisation which specialised in murder. Not just the murder of protestants but also the murder of many catholics too. I feel that its simply folly to eulogise any man who was a leader or a member of such an terrorist organisation.

  • nospinplease

    John Kelly really can rest in peace.

  • I wonder…

    Mick

    Your quotation is worthy.

  • Mick Fealty “Now if you want to go throwing baseless charges about the place, fine. Just expect to get called on it when you get it so badly wrong! ”

    I think it was you who threw baseless charges around implying that I’d lied. I merely pointed out that the OHanlon thread was full of vile & bile.

    “…called on it when you get it so badly wrong!”

    What did I get wrong… that there was a thread that descended into insult or that posts were allowed which turned the obit into an insult-fest so much so that you’d to lock the thread? That thread will be reviewed and compared when others pass on.

    Wind your neck in!

  • Mick Fealty

    Others will judge what you said, or didn’t say.

  • The Dubliner

    Ireland has been cursed with more than her fair share of half-baked revolutionaries: folks who don’t care if their demented schemes are just or practicable just as long as they can be at the centre of events, trusting in luck rather than either sanity or strategy to deliver their ends, and in common stupidity to deliver their hordes of followers. His legacy was a massacre of the innocent based on a ‘plan’ that was no more sophisticated than instigating a random murder campaign in the curious delusion that such would be neither containable nor ignorable but would lead to the British government sending the title deeds of Northern Ireland to the Provos via Federal Express, whereupon the loyalist would board the nest boat to Scotland rather than prepare for sectarian civil war, and the Irish government would say “Come and join us boys, and don’t forget to bring that blueprint for a socialist republic with ye.” [edited – civility please – mod] He left a wretched legacy. But commiserations to his family nonetheless.

  • stephen

    A true republican and a great loss to all those who value freedom and integrity.

    It is OK to disagree vehemently with a mans convictions and even his actions whilst respecting his sincerity and moral stance.

    I would give Gusty Spence the same respect, whilst being hugely opposed to evrything he stands for.

    Mad Dog stands for nothing but drug dealing and self aggrandisement

  • páid

    If you have circumstances in which communities feel their existence is threatened, the population will become politically radicalized, and some of the menfolk will turn to violence.

    These men will be organised by their leaders, whom they will recognize as leaders.

    This applies to Orange and Green, and notions about a detached minority of evil men are wide of the mark.

  • Outsider

    Mick

    I’m sorry to cross you but you can’t expect to put up a tribute to an ira terrorist and expect everybody to post fond memories of him.

    He has blood on his hand by virtue of being in the ira and people are correct to point this out.

    Im sorry if you feel the need to edit/delete my post but I wont be a hypocrite.

  • Pete Baker

    Outsider

    As Mick has already repeated

    “When I started out on the research for our study into the future of Unionism a few years back, I remember remarking to one of the early respondents in the DUP that political discourse in Northern Ireland needs a great deal more civility and bluntness.

    One without the other is meaningless. Too much civility and no bluntness leads to anodyne platitudes: not to mention a false consensus. Bluntness without civility is just war by other means.

    So by all means, be blunt. But be civil also!”

    That’s, surely, not too much to ask of anyone.

    As to the idea that Kelly was always a man of conviction..

    Well, as much as I condemned the characterisation of him by SF as being ‘bitter’ that he was persuaded to step down as an MLA – and I still condemn the persuasion involved – he was, up until he spoke out against the party leadership, a very loyal and reliable party spokesman – committed to keeping to the party leadership’s line in public totally.

  • Intelligence Insider

    I was diametrically opposed to all that John Kelly stood for and believed in. He was, however, a gentleman. In the many discussions I had with him in an “off the record” personal capacity I found him to be devoted to his cause and his family. Although the cause he believed in was one I found personally abhorrent I also believe that it was one in which he personally believed was right. My sympathy goes to his whole family.

  • Outsider

    Pete

    I grew up in complete fear of the ira, not far from where I live many lives were taken by them. I can’t be civil about the death of this man, just like I shed no tears when Saddam Hussain died or as I am sure few shared any tears when Hitler died.

    People can’t use the death of this individual as a barometer to measure the Unionists populations lack of charisma/civility on such issues. I don’t think there would be too many civil responses from nationalists in Jonny Adair or Michael Stone died.

  • Pete Baker

    “People can’t use the death of this individual as a barometer to measure the Unionists populations lack of charisma/civility on such issues.”

    Outsider

    Most people don’t. Direct your comments at them.

    And just keep it civil.

  • Outsider

    Pete

    I do see your point but its a little too much to expect from unionists after all we were on the wrong side of this individual regime for many years when he was not exactly civil.

    I am a little disappointed that some comments have been deleted due to their disdain for what this person stood for.

    After all the people of NI have been put through by the ira the least we can do is give an honest and blunt assessment of the perpentrators and if those assessments are not civil so be it at least they are killing anyone.

  • Pete Baker

    Outsider

    Here, on Slugger, it’s blunt and civil.. or not at all.

    Your choice.

  • Outsider

    Here, on Slugger, it’s blunt and civil.. or not at all.

    Pete

    Thats too ambiguous, where does one draw the line especially with respect to the ira?

  • Pete Baker

    “Thats too ambiguous, where does one draw the line..”

    That’s why we have moderators.

    For those who can’t, or won’t, see that line.

  • Outsider

    I’m not sure where my posts are in respect to the line could yo enlighten me please?

    Secondly can you understand why people might not want to be civil on this issue? For example what if a victim of an ira bomb came on here a slated this indivudual, surely it would be morally wrong to discipline them or remove their post.

  • Rubicon

    Outsider – I hardly know where to start and perhaps I should say nothing a let your comparison pass. I won’t ‘cos I met John and in no way should he ever be compared to the 2 individuals you mention.

    I didn’t agree with John’s views but he was someone who genuinely acted for a cause he thought would bring benefits to people who needed consideration and had been too long ignored.

    In his passing it’s not the time to ‘cuss over his solutions. Instead, I’ll remember him as a man who entered politics trying to achieve good. He left it very dissillsioned. He never thought nor sought anything extra-ordinary for himself.

    I disagreed with John – but at no time did he leave you with anything other than a sense of a man with a cause he fundemtally believed in. He sought no benefit for himself.

    I can’t distance him from what happened and his role in that. I think he was wrong but know he acted in a selfless way and remember my last conversation with him when he spoke of SF using the IRA and drawing out decommissioning for political gain. Had John – rather than Gerry – had his way the IRA would have stood down much earlier and with what he called “dignity”.

    My sympathies to John’s family. To even his oppenents he’d a common touch that those who loved him will dearly miss.

  • Pete Baker

    “I’m not sure where my posts are in respect to the line could yo enlighten me please?”

    That’s something you’ll have to assess by yourself.

    But I’ll point to some indicators for you – although this will be my last communication on this particular topic.

    Slugger’s own guidlines

    The Guardian’s useful clarification

    And a reminder of what transgressing those guidelines really means.

  • Outsider

    Rubicon

    I respect your views but I certainly don’t agree with them. Hitler murdered many people some due to their religon and political views, this individual did the same, on a smaller scale maybe but there is no dressing up this issue.

    Do people not understand the ira is the one thing virtually all protestants and unionists hate yet we are expected to look nostagially (sp) at it and remember it in the good old days.

  • truth be told

    He needlessly prolonged the agony of this part of Ireland by heading a sectarian murder gang which nearly pitched this place into a Bosnia style scenario where his own people would have been massacred en masse.
    The Provos were the poison in the Irish body politic. Thank God they are now neutered. Now just pray for this individual and also pray for the manym many souls that his sectarian junta put to death.

  • Outsider

    That’s something you’ll have to assess by yourself.

    Pete

    I think what I have said is very tame and civil, compared to what I actually think on this issue.

  • comhbron

    I wish people would keep in mind that John is not long dead and his family are grieving and have a little bit of humanity for them- regardless of what you believe, or think about John or what he stood for. Personally, as a republican, I had the pleasure of talking to John on a few occasions and I found him to be a gentleman, and very down to earth, with an honest take on everything. He was an ordinary man and stayed so. Deepest sympathies to his chlann. And I would also like to point out that although I disagreed fundamentally with David Ervine, I paid his the respect he was due when he died, and sent condolences to his family also – its a great pity that pettymindendess and point scoring becomes the order of the day, when a person has just passed on, regardless of who he/she was.

  • Rubicon

    Outsider – you can have your enemies but it shouldn’t blind you to the character of the people opposing you. I grant you – it’s easy fall in to that trap – particularly when there’s loss of life.

    As a rule I think it’s the last refuge of a lost agrument when the Nazi’s are mentioned. Even here though – Rommell was respected.

    In the same way – John was not an animal indifferent to loss. I was – and remain – an opponent to what John excused. It’s not my place to examine his conscience.

    He was an honourable enemy with a high sense of integrity and a selfless disregard for his own life and advancement.

  • Pete Baker

    combhron

    The same applies.

    Here, on Slugger, it’s blunt and civil.. or civil and blunt.. or not at all.

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    When I read that John Kelly had died…my mind thought of Ted Kennedy’s euology for his brother Bobby and I thought it was approriate.

    a quote from George Bernard Shaw as recalled by Senator Kennedy at his brothers funeral mass.

    “Some men see things as they are and say ‘why’? I dream thins that never were and say ‘why not?’

    Mr. John Kelly was a true Irish Patriot in the same likness as the American Patriots who also fought the british for freedom.

  • The Dubliner

    Apologies to the relevant Mod if a part of my earlier post was uncivil. If was if the context of this thread is a ‘book of condolences’ rather than a debate about John Kelly – the propriety of his methods, their feasibility, the merits of his objectives, or the notion of self-appointed ‘government’ that uses violence to install itself as a replacement for the elected government.

    Ted Bundy was most charming man (a quality that sociopaths are noted for), but it would be facile to focus on lauding that aspect of his character while ignoring the factor that brought him into the public domain: his penchant for serial murder. If others choose to focus on John Kelly’s personal qualities (his charm and his conviction were mentioned) while ignoring his role in instigating a well-organised murder campaign that violated human rights on an epic scale, flouted the Geneva Convention and international law as though neither existed, and could have had no outcome other than sectarian civil war a la Yugoslavia, then sobeit.

    Let the man be praised for his charm and let the consequences of his lunacy be so ignored.

  • Reader

    stephen: It is OK to disagree vehemently with a mans convictions and even his actions whilst respecting his sincerity and moral stance.
    While it’s nice to move from the one dimensional stance like so many stuck with in this discussion, it isn’t really *enough*. For instance, at the risk of being Godwinned, where does Hitler stand in your two dimensional moral landscape? How about a suicide bomber? A person’s convictions and actions *do* matter. I’d sooner respect a wishy-washy liberal than a courageous and determined terrorist.

  • Pounder

    To the unionist/posters on this site its very disrespectful to be acting the way you are. If you can’t comment nice don’t comment at all. I thought you protestants where all about turning the other cheek.

  • I Wonder

    …before we are or become UVF or IRA or SF or RHC – we are human beings and therefore mortal.

  • I Wonder

    Dubliner

    Mr Kelly, unlike the serial murderer you mention, was an elected political representative.

    Although, like “Intelligence Insider” above, his politics were not mine, he personally did believe them to be right – and so did and do many tens of thousands of voters.

  • Rory

    Dubliner your attempt to make a comparison of Ted Bundy with John Kelly was grossly opportunistic, highly insulting, criminally naive and in damned bad taste. I suggest you rethink your words and your motive for resorting to such shallow crudery on the occasion of this much loved man’s death.

  • Mick Hall

    John Kelly, indefatigable and unbowed Irish Republican.

    Obituary can be found here,

    http://organizedrage.blogspot.com/

  • CTN

    Unlike his detractors McGuinness and Adams John had a touch of genuine class.

    RIP.

  • CTN,

    Do not come in here and try to turn a respectful thread into one of your phoney anti SF/Pro Eirigi threads (even though are’nt even remotely a memeber of Eirigi ).

    John’s death has united Republicans who knew him at all stages of his life. John was still very close to many of his former comrades and the struggle that he fought so courageously for, was always his main motivation – Unlike the opportunist rants of people like yourself who have never been actively involved in the strugge in any capacity whatsoever…

  • redhaze

    Rest In Peace Comrade.

    Whatever people feel about John he was one of a few men who was always true to his word, his cause, his country and especially to his friends and family.

    Does anyone have the funeral arrangments or will I have to buy the dreaded Irish News?

  • Veritas

    Redhaze

    Well said!

    Funeral from his residence in Maghera @ 10:30am for 11:00am Mass in St Mary’s Chapel.

  • redhaze

    Veritas,

    Thanks for that info, very much appreciated.

  • Mick Fealty

    Just to let people know, I’ve cut a lot of the barfly banter out of this thread. Please say you piece and move on.

  • CTN

    You don’t know who or what I have been involved with.

    Don’t lecture me about eirigi again as you are the one who brought them into this thread.

    John had no time for his detractors and made it public knowledge on many occasions- you and the rest of the Adams lickers should take a leaf from one of his critiques on the McGuinness/Adams autocracy- NO MORE LIES!

  • Jim

    I don’t want into a tit for tat rant either but people should not try and defame or identify other bloggers.

    If they play the ball and not the man alleging someone is isn’t up to their Superman standards then they deserve to have the p**s taken out of them a little…

  • Jim

    I meant man not ball- as was obvious here…

  • Mick Fealty

    Time to close this thread I think.

    I’ll open it on request for individual contributions, but I’m not happy for people to us it to take lumps out of each other.