“The organisation will not tolerate decommissioning especially for £1.2m”

Regular commenter joeCanuck emailed to remind me that the story of the not-so-good-after-all UDA hasn’t gone away.. as evidenced by this report in the Belfast Telegraph on Thursday – and Brian Rowan has his own analysis of his report here. The substance of the report is the un-asked-for advice to the Social Development Minister – “The UPRG can only tell her so much. She could go straight to the leadership.” – and to the Chief Constable, Hugh Orde – “If he knows who they are [that criminal element], then he should remove them, and if he doesn’t know who they are, then he shouldn’t be saying it.” – from the de facto leader of the UDA, Jackie McDonald. And, I’m sure the Chief Constable will do just that.. after speaking to those who have influence, that is.. and provided it doesn’t interfere with someone else’s Process™.. Adds this UTV report And this report

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  • Dread Cthulhu

    I believe is was Al Capone who said you could always get more with a kind word and a gun than just a kind word. Guess Jackie-boy and the knuckle-draggers believe that as well.

    It sounds a bit like the UPRG spokes-muppets are finding there is a little bit of heat being in the limelights.

  • notasluggerfool

    Behind the hype and the spin I am hearing that things are far from united in the so called conflict transformation initiative. In fact it has now become common knowledge that d nichol has gone on sick leave due to the constant battling behind the scenes and there are regular arguments between the staff and the main spokesman. Expect fireworks as I am being told that a falling out in a major way is expected very soon.

  • Pounder

    A disturbing observation there Dread especially as I know from personal experience that more than a few of the UDA higher ups draw inspiration from mafia type movies such as Godfather, Catlito’s Way and Scarface.

  • Dawkins

    Huh? Not Spiderman then?

  • justthoughtidask

    notasluggerfool
    Hearing almost exactly the same myself. The little bit extra I’m hearing is that the penny has dropped that a certain person is always at the middle of any row that develops.

    Hearing as well that when Don Jackie talks about Sir Hugh clearing out the criminals he means all except the black market guys.

  • Shore Road Resident

    Is this blog permanently in wide-screen now or what?
    Somebody take the graph off the front page, if that’s what’s causing it, and yellow-card anyone else who posts something that causes me to have to scroll left and right as often as up and down.

  • Dawkins

    Shore Road Resident,

    No probs on my 24-inch iMac running Firefox :0)

  • Shore Road Resident

    Aren’t you the clever one?
    No offence, but nobody here has an opinion worth hearing that it is also worth the risk of installing Firefox now that Windows XP has been rigged to crash catastophically if you try.

    I’ll see you when that graph has scolled off the front page.

  • notasluggerfool

    Justhought,

    Indeed. With davy gone it was assumed that things would calm down but I understand that frankie g is not getting it all his own way despite his twisting. I am told that cti staff are disillusioned not by the way things are going with the project but with the man running it.

    where is ‘lofty’ to put his own brand of spin on things?

  • joeCanuck

    SSR
    I’m using Firefox and updated it a short while ago and I have automatic updates of XP.
    No problems ever!
    And i don’t have any graph. Must be your end.

  • joeCanuck

    OOps, do have debt graph on front page.

  • Dawkins

    Shore Road Resident,

    “Aren’t you the clever one?”

    No, merely rich and possessed of taste. :0)

  • Sean

    sounds like SRR has a persecution complex tht extends all the way to microsquash. Funny I have fire fox on micro squash and mine doesnt cata straphically crash

  • kensei

    “No offence, but nobody here has an opinion worth hearing that it is also worth the risk of installing Firefox now that Windows XP has been rigged to crash catastophically if you try.”

    It’s not the browser causing this, it’s the screen resolution. Up it and it just be fine. Sadly my crappy LCD TV-come-monitor won’t go any higher, and yes, it is fucking annoying.

    Firefox is excellent, and much better than IE.

  • Dawkins

    Kensei,

    Better than Safari too. But ssh, don’t tell Apple.

    BTW your namesake appears in a couple of future episodes of “Heroes”. Wonder if Jackie watches that one as well.

  • kensei

    “BTW your namesake appears in a couple of future episodes of “Heroes”. Wonder if Jackie watches that one as well.”

    Actually I was disappointed that the “Kensei” wasn’t Miyamoto Mushasi, but rather a fictional character. Then again, it is a show about people that fly and stuff and I liked the tale about the dragon.

  • Slugger O’Toole Admin

    And getting back to the actual topic..

  • kensei

    “And getting back to the actual topic..”

    Depends. Have you fixed the front page yet?

    Computer says no.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Dawkins: “Huh? Not Spiderman then?”

    Nah — that would be the chestnut about great power coming with great responsibility…

    Back to the topic at hand, it is naive to think the hoods would surrender their guns for a paltry 1.2 mill… the drugs alon bring in more than that, I would expect. Then there is the extortion and protection rackets…

  • Aquifer

    The law is soft on criminal conspiracies. The state pretends in vanity that it has no effective competitor, by treating each offender and offense separately. Also, the small businesses they victimise have no voice (or else), so the hoods can be appeased without public protest.

    Seems we can have open plan internment where we all have our freedoms curtailed by roving paramilitary guards, or we can have the smaller version where just the paramilitaries are guarded.

    How about we split the difference and tag the hoods so we at least know where they are. After all, they know where WE live.

    Hoods have the human right to work etc, and they don’t have to show anybody the tag, so no loss of dignity.

    Small chip implanted in the skin talking to a mobile phone with a satnav in it. Much less painful than the lead implants they deal in.

  • Dewi

    Eloquent Aquifer – u got a plan ?

  • Dawkins

    Shit, my spide joke misfired :0(

  • mchinadog

    Slugger I find the contributors to this full of verbals that pay no relation to the questions posed the original post. Can we please stick to the topic and get some sensible contributions.

    As a Unionist the UDA/URPG are one and the same irrespective who is the spokesperson whether it be one from the UDA or one from the URPG. If these organisations want to conform to normal living it does not take millions or an organisation like Farset to do that. The ordinary people who live in these areas which are allegedly to benefit of this money will I suggest see very little difference in their communities the same hoods will be in charge. There are thousands of unionists who live there lives without being paid to be good citizens and I believe that the Minister should tell the UDA/URPG to forget about the money and tell them without equivocation they will not be receiving it. I am also concerned that the people who have been taken on by Farset to run this project and would be administering the money are again the same people who are leading both these organizations how transparent will that be, this saying comes to mind “you scratch my back and I will scratch yours”

  • Rory

    “The organisation will not tolerate decommissioning especially for £1.2m,” McDonald said. (my emphasis)

    Right so, to quote the well known retort, “We have now established that you are a whore, all there is to quarrel about is the price”.

  • joeCanuck

    Good one Rory.

    Perhaps an update for Danegeld would be Dagreed.

  • cynic

    “The organisation will not tolerate decommissioning especially for £1.2m”

    UDA involved in extortion..shock…horror!

  • greg

    ‘UDA involved in extortion..shock…horror!’

    And death threats and intimidation..bigger shock!

    http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=84430&pt=n

  • Comrade Stalin

    What’s this business in Whitehead all about ?

    Sounds to me as if Margaret Ritchie has all the excuses she needs to pull the plug on this farce.

  • Otto

    [edited moderator] They should not be allowed to hold the provence to ransom.

  • Pounder

    So 1.2 million isn’t enough for them. How about revoking a few licences on the members that got out under the GFA? Surely the UDA are still a proscribed organisation yet every time Frankie Gallagher and his goon squad give a conference saying “HI! We’re from the UDA…..” they don’t get arrested.

  • Dawkins

    Greg,

    Thanks for the UTV link. Is the following an example of poor reporting?

    “They [the police] just said that there had been a death threat on my husband and that we were to organise security.”

    I mean to say: since when is it the responsibility of private citizens to organize their own security? I thought our taxes paid the cops to take care of that sort of thing.

  • Sean

    Pounder
    I would suggest this is just a continuance from the troubles where the UDA was allowed to remain an unproscribed organization decades after they were a known terrorist organization. the security forces have always smiled down benevolently on their wee brother regrdless of the carnage they inflicted as it is always most convenient to have a brainless violent animal in the corner when you need brainless violent acts committed in your plans

  • Dewi

    Sean – whatever the truth surely it’s a good idea to try and disarm this lot as well.

  • Sean

    No arguement from me Dewi I was just answering why they don’t get lifted for being in a proscribed organization

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Dawkins: “I mean to say: since when is it the responsibility of private citizens to organize their own security? I thought our taxes paid the cops to take care of that sort of thing. ”

    Generally speaking, the police are under no particular obligation to defend any specific individual, *unless* they have entered into a special relationship with that individual. In layman’s terms, you’re pretty much on your own. Throw in the notion that you’re pretty much a collection of unarmed subjects… well, I think that paints a potentially bleak picture, shove come to push, especially when the UDA is noticeably lax about following petty things like weapons laws.

  • Dawkins

    Dread Cthulhu,

    A potentially bleak picture indeed! I guess the only way to get police protection is to become a politician — or organize a controversial parade.

  • Rory

    …or perhaps form your own little Armed Citizens’ Awareness Group, Dawkins?

    And why not? It seems a surefire way of getting a government grant at least and being paid a hefty sum to encourage you to “decommission”. Plus, upon decommissioning you will now be provided with your own personal Browning, Walther or Sig Sauer, ample ammunition and a licence to carry it, all at the state’s expense. Problem solved (and that credit card bill paid off – nice one!).

    Isn’t it nice to have a government that listens to and engages with its citizens?

  • Twelve Monkeys

    Or become a Loyalist terrorist.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Rory: “And why not? It seems a surefire way of getting a government grant at least and being paid a hefty sum to encourage you to “decommission”. Plus, upon decommissioning you will now be provided with your own personal Browning, Walther or Sig Sauer, ample ammunition and a licence to carry it, all at the state’s expense. Problem solved (and that credit card bill paid off – nice one!). ”

    When you surrender to the state the whole of the tools of force without any recompense, you create a scenario such as the one above — the average citizen is forced to rely upon the goodwill of the police, who are under no obligation to provide protection. This is not to denigrate the police unnecessarily, but a simple acknowledgement of numbers.

    Besides, thugs like a unarmed / defenseless populace.

  • Otto

    “the security forces have always smiled down benevolently on their wee brother”

    They did no such thing. In fact they caught thousands of loyalist terrorists during the troubles and they went to jail for their crimes just like thousands of IRA terrorists did. They also foiled many loyalist terrorist operations…..where is the evidence that the Security Forces were in any way shape or form “benevolent” towards the likes of the UDA or UVF? The only critisism I have of groups like the RUC and UDR is that they didn`t go even more aggressively after them by employing the anti-terrorist ambush tactics employed by the SAS.

  • Sean

    Otto
    The evidence of the benevolence of the security forces

    1 government security files on suspected IRA members complete with addresses and Phone numbers handed over to the terrorist scum, helps them target the people the government wants dead

    2 The sudden and complete disapearance of any and all security forces into any area where a loyalist death squad was about to operate

    3 Securocrats who sat in on interviews of suspected assasins who either stopped the investigators from asking the questions or the murderers from answering them

    4 Security forces that were conveniently close enough to immediately capture those that attempted to assasinate Gerry Adams but amazingly enough not close to attempt to stop them from trying

    5 Pat Finucane

    6 Rose Nelson

    etc etc etc

  • Ian

    “The organisation will not tolerate decommissioning especially for £1.2m”

    Doesn’t this quote from Jackie McDonald rather contradict the repeated assertions by Frankie Gallagher of the UPRG that the money is NOT going to the UDA but to the loyalist community?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Ian: “Doesn’t this quote from Jackie McDonald rather contradict the repeated assertions by Frankie Gallagher of the UPRG that the money is NOT going to the UDA but to the loyalist community? ”

    Shhhhhhhhhhhh… not so loud — you want to blow the scam.

    Never run a short grift when you can run a long one.