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The Derry Journal quotes Sinn Féin’s former[?] Director of Unionist Outreach, Martina Anderson, MLA, in response to suggestions from the 32 County Sovereignty Movement that “marches and pickets” at the doors of alleged drug dealers should be supported

“Pickets are an option but I would hope that there are other steps we can take as a community before we get to that point. I am not ruling out that kind of action but other avenues should be explored before this. I would hope that we don’t need to go to people’s doors. I wouldn’t say that type of action is totally wrong and ultimately it was something that was successful in other areas,” she said.

A couple of points to note on this issue, after highlighting again the alleged nature of any accusations being made.. one is Martina Anderson’s role on the Policing Board.. the other is her position as a SF representative on the Bill of Rights Forum.. Update The reality on the ground..Adds In case it isn’t clear enough, here’s a reminder of a previous post

“Either there is law or no law. That is the basis of a civilised society.”

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  • Frank Little

    Sinn Féin activists played a role in this kind of thing in Dublin in the 80s and 90s and to be honest, I think people would like to see them going back to that kind of activity.

    There are a couple of places in Dublin, especially a couple of inner-city flat complexes and some areas in working class estates, where drug-dealing is open and regular. Reporting it to the police, and I’ve done so, makes little or no difference and in a number of cases they don’t bother to turn up.

    If pickets are held to raise awareness of police inactivity on drug-dealing and to embarass the police into actually cracking down on drug-dealers in working class areas, then whether it’s the Shinners or the 32CSM people doing it, the proposal is not without merit.

  • Cruimh

    “Sinn Féin’s former Director of Unionist Outreach, Martina Anderson, ”

    Pete- SF man website and SF Derry Website both have her as Director, not Former Director.

    e.g.

    http://www.derrysinnfein.ie/representatives/3960

    “Following last years Ard Fheis, at which the Party President Gerry Adams indicated a priority of developing an entirely new relationship with unionism Martina was appointed to the role of SF’s Director of Unionist Engagement. This is a task she has pursed with vigour, leading to a number of first public meetings between the party leadership and churches and opinion makers within unionism.”

    And they seem fairly quick to update their sites -they already have Pearse Doherty listed as a Senator.

  • francesco

    drug problem anyone? do not worry the INLA will take care of it…

  • Dec

    Either there is law or no law. That is the basis of a civilised society.

    Is Martina advocating breaking the Law?

  • Cruimh

    “Is Martina advocating breaking the Law? ”

    She seems to be supporting vigilante action.

    Pete – Chris Gaskin says MA is no longer Director of Unionist Outreach.

  • ciaran

    She seems to be advocating community action which is not necessarily a bad thing. What is wrong with standing outside a drug dealers house in silent protest or even noisey protest. It seems that the police are not able for whatever reason to uphold the rule of law and I suppose it would be niave to think that they could do so in every case.
    Vigilantes bring to mind hooded thugs ready to use violence to stop the violence and this is not the message I am getting from what she said. I have to say though from personal experience I have often wanted to beat some sense into a few thugs. But I am too nice a person for that.

  • Drugs Squad Officer

    I take it Martina will only be supporting pickets outside the homes of alleged dealers not presently or previously financially supporting sf/ira? That doesn’t really leave too many in nationalist areas.

  • Sean

    especially as most of the drugs are sold in unionist areas by the uda and uvf

  • DC

    I think it’s a matter of democratic expression of a group of people to protest to a particular problem in their community.

    Interesting all the same.

  • parcifal

    I suppose the legal way to go is for more Nationalists to join the PSNI, or become Community Support Officers.
    Would that have much support?

  • Drugs Squad Officer

    Sean,

    “especially as most of the drugs are sold in unionist areas by the uda and uvf”

    You are almost right. However it would have been more honest and accurate to post that “most of the drugs sold in unionist areas are sold by the uda and uvf and most of the drugs sold in nationalist areas are sold by the ira and inla”

  • ciaran

    “I suppose the legal way to go is for more Nationalists to join the PSNI, or become Community Support Officers. ”

    Is this really necessary? Surely a type of neighbourhood watch is more the answer. In that way the whole community can become involved .

  • parcifal

    unfortunatly sean has to turn every thread into a sectarian jibe. He can’t help it.

  • parcifal

    ciaran that’s neat, however isn’t the problem that arrests are not being made.
    One would like to think that liasons between the PSNI and Neighbourhood Watch schemes would be more productive to eradicating the scourge.

  • Sean

    i didnt turn it into a sectarian jibe

  • Reader

    ciaran: What is wrong with standing outside a drug dealers house in silent protest or even noisey protest.
    If you have evidence they are a drug dealer, why not go to the police? If the police won’t act on the evidence, go to the Ombudsman. If you are scared to give evidence, will you be willing to go on a protest?
    If you don’t have evidence, is there still a right to protest? – for instance, terrorism is as illegal as drug-dealing, so is it your (my) right to protest outside the homes of *alleged* terrorists? If you’re not interested in whether there is admissable evidence or not, how about interning terrorists and drug-dealers?

  • Dec

    Of course Martina is merely advocating(as a last resort) peaceful, lawful assembley outside the homes of drug dealers to register opposition. Of course, in some eyes, the victims now become the criminals and the the criminals the victims. Plus ca change, zzz…

  • al

    “alleged” is the absolutely pivotal and vital word Dec.

  • CTN

    Typical McGuinness- outflanked again, this time in his home town- are the provies goin to join in the pickets like followers instead of starting them like leaders or disapprove of them.

    For heavens sake don’t ask SF what they will do now- they are to busy sitting on the fence licking there wounds from south of the border wondering when the next Adams goof up will take place.

    Formerly “the world’s most powerful urban guerilla warforce” now reduced to ad lib reactions to someone else’s attempts to sort out the evil of drugs in their own backyard.

    Where did it all go wrong…

  • Drugs Squad Officer

    “The recent peace process has pushed the PIRA to pursue new avenues of survival, as evidenced in its growing involvement in the drug trade and other types of organized crime. ”

    Justine Rosenthal, Executive Editor, The National Interest, and Director, Council on Global Terrorism

  • willowfield

    So much for innocent until proven guilty.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Reader: “If you have evidence they are a drug dealer, why not go to the police? If the police won’t act on the evidence, go to the Ombudsman. If you are scared to give evidence, will you be willing to go on a protest? ”

    People are strange creatures, Reader. Seen Pastors arrange protest marches against crack houses in neighborhoods where the anti-police “Stop Snitchin'” t-shirt is a best seller.

    Reader: “If you don’t have evidence, is there still a right to protest? – for instance, terrorism is as illegal as drug-dealing, so is it your (my) right to protest outside the homes of *alleged* terrorists? If you’re not interested in whether there is admissable evidence or not, how about interning terrorists and drug-dealers? ”

    Two salient differences. First of all, a quiet, careful amsart drug dealer can exist in a space where the police can’t touch him, despite what is, at best, an open secret in the neighborhood. Secondly, terrorists, as a broad rule, have far fewer qualms about killing lots of local by-standers than drug dealers, if only because the drug dealer wants people to feel safe — customers like a pleasent shopping experience, without the gunfire.

  • Dec

    So much for innocent until proven guilty.

    alleged” is the absolutely pivotal and vital word Dec.

    I think you’ll find we’re not dealing with courts of law here or indeed any punitive action. All is being advocated here is peaceful community protest as a last resort. And all this emphasis on ‘alleged’ in relation to local drug dealers makes me think of middle-class idiots who don’t have a f***ing clue!

  • parcifal

    indeed dread, there’s often a try before you buy policy, and a friendly chat with the dealer about the missus and the kids.
    You don’t get that in most high-street shaps.. 🙂

  • Sean

    Perhaps the “drugs squad officer” can enlighten us but I know for a fact that the police in my city know exactly who all the drug dealers are! Its whether they can be arsed to do anything about them. Sure once a year when they need a headline they go round them up and then after that apperently till next year no more drugs get sold in my city

  • Cruimh

    “All is being advocated here is peaceful community protest as a last resort.”

    Where does this leave the wives, kids and families of these alleged drug dealers?

    And lets remember that, as with alleged paedophiles, things can go horribly wrong with this sort of approach .

  • Sean

    Crumb
    theres very little to be alleged as drug dealing is a very public enterprise that requires word of mouth and repaet business. They might not habg a sign out the door that says “street drugs cheap” but in the community there is little doubt who the street level dealers are

  • willowfield

    I think you’ll find we’re not dealing with courts of law here or indeed any punitive action. All is being advocated here is peaceful community protest as a last resort.

    Nonetheless, the principle remains. How do these people know the person is guilty? Who decides? In a democratic society we have courts to do that: not Provo mobs. If people have evidence, pass it to the police.

  • Cruimh

    so harassment of their wives , children and families is OK ?

  • Cruimh
  • Dec

    How do these people know the person is guilty? Who decides? In a democratic society we have courts to do that: not Provo mobs.

    Aah and now we get to the real objection: provo mobs. Oddly, an accusation levelled without any evidence whatsoever by a poster who is lambasting others for levelling accusations without any…evidence.

  • Dec

    so harassment of their wives , children and families is OK ?

    Presumably if the PSNI raided their house that would constitute harassment, would it not? Let’s face it the real objection here is, as ever, SF, not the happiness of downtrodden drug dealers.

  • snakebrain

    Ummm, who’s really selling the drugs here? A few low level nobodies, or a few shadowy Mr Big’s who live in Europe or North Africa?

    Try a picket outside their house if you like. But write your will first.

  • Cruimh

    Double standards abound Dec – the police know and the man in the street knows is OK with alleged drug dealers but not with terror suspects ?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    parcifal: “indeed dread, there’s often a try before you buy policy”

    I believe the phrase is “hey, kid… the first hit’s free.” Oh course, local dialect and cants will cause mileage (and actual terminology) to vary…

  • Dec

    Double standards abound Dec – the police know and the man in the street knows is OK with alleged drug dealers but not with terror suspects ?

    Sorry, don’t follow. But if you’re about to descend into a rant of whataboutery, don’t bother.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Dec: “Presumably if the PSNI raided their house that would constitute harassment, would it not?”

    No, if the PSNI raided their house without cause, it would not be harassment. If the PSNi could show good faith in making the raid, it would simply be a regrettable error.

    If the police repeated hassled the suspect, parking a car opely before their domus, etc., then it might constitute harassment.

  • snakebrain

    “parcifal: “indeed dread, there’s often a try before you buy policy”

    I believe the phrase is “hey, kid… the first hit’s free.””

    I believe it more often goes, “See what you think of that”

    “Nah, I don’t like it, I’ll have the pollen thanks”

    Drugs, like pornography, are something that is widely used, but rarely admitted outside the circle of fellow users.

    Porn is bigger than Hollywood. I’m sure the Moroccan hash industry rivals Pfizer or Glaxo in scale. Supply and demand…

  • parcifal

    Well Dread I was thinking, to use a “petebakerism” of the good drug dealer and the bad drug dealer. ( Good UDA.. not so good UDA )

    I’ve no time for pushers and dealers in hard drugs, that damage, hook, and enslave.
    They are scum, who need locking up.

    But the friendly hippy, usually on DLA for his bad back, who happens to sell a bit of blow, nothing else.
    Well I say, leave him alone; he’s not harming anyone. In fact he should apply for a Grant to the EEC, can pay some tax….

  • Dread Cthulhu

    parcifal: “I’ve no time for pushers and dealers in hard drugs, that damage, hook, and enslave.
    They are scum, who need locking up.

    But the friendly hippy, usually on DLA for his bad back, who happens to sell a bit of blow, nothing else. Well I say, leave him alone; he’s not harming anyone. In fact he should apply for a Grant to the EEC, can pay some tax…. ”

    Doesn’t work that way — although I am likewise of two minds on the subject — the libertarian streak in my agrees with your latter notion, but for all dealers — if you;re dumb enough to put that shite in your system, you’re dumb enough to enjoy the consequences of your choices.

    That said, I also realize if they’re dumb enough to take the drugs, they’re dumb enough to drive, operate heavy machinery or otherwise put the general populace at risk.

    Additionaly, even the shite the hippy sells isn’t wholly harmless — one British report out of the apparent link between marijuana and mental illness is one example.

  • parcifal

    Dread, but the stats just don’t bear that out.
    Alcohol is by far the worst killer on roads, operating machinery and so on.
    Pot-heads are peaceful, its a fact.

    The research on mental illness is misleading, of the 6,000,000 million users in the UK, a tiny percentage develop psychosis, and of that number the vast majority have issues like broken homes, drunken fathers, poor schooling etc.

    So its not a representative survey, and is more about scare-mongering.

    marijuana as a relaxant and stimulant, in your own home is the safest recreational drug known to man. Also studies show it prolongs the erection.
    Which is good news for the ladies.

    Snakebrains comments are quite interesting.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Parcifal: “Alcohol is by far the worst killer on roads, operating machinery and so on.
    Pot-heads are peaceful, its a fact. ”

    Ah, but do they not toke up whilst driving because it is illegal? How would their behavior change were it legalized? folks toke up in private because it is illegal — shades drawn, space beneath the door blocked, etc. Change the legal status and other behaviors will change as well.

    And actually, I think you will find that the pot-head is more impaired that the drinker, but is so for a shorter time. Additionally, heavy use leads to slower reflexes, iirc.

    parcifal: “The research on mental illness is misleading, of the 6,000,000 million users in the UK, a tiny percentage develop psychosis, and of that number the vast majority have issues like broken homes, drunken fathers, poor schooling etc. ”

    Your post makes me wonder if you actually read anything about the study, which was a review and collation of 35 studies from around the word, stating that the drug exacerbates / speeds the development of certain mental illnesses, including schizophrenia and not simply a single, non-representative study. Additionally, your comments on their economic status has less bearing on their brain chemistry than their drug intake.

    Just because the study doesn’t bear out your opinion does not make it wrong. With that said, as you say, it has a potentially grave impact on a small segment of society — which still presents a risk.

    Personally, I’m agnostic on the matter — toke all you want — it cuts down on the competition for the rest of us.. 😉

  • Reader

    Dread Cthulhu: First of all, a quiet, careful amsart drug dealer can exist in a space where the police can’t touch him, despite what is, at best, an open secret in the neighborhood.
    If you have the evidence yourself: http://www.yourrights.org.uk/your-rights/chapters/the-rights-of-victims-and-witnesses-of-crime/prosecution-of-a-case/private-prosecution.shtml
    But as for all this ‘open secret’ and ‘local knowledge’ guff – Republicans can hardly complain that it is now difficult to prosecute on the word of an informer, or confession evidence, or on hidden intelligence information – that’s exactly how they always wanted it to be. Do it the hard way – get the evidence; then get it past a defense lawyer and the Ombudsman and the HRC. That’s the way it *should* be, isn’t it?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Reader: “But as for all this ‘open secret’ and ‘local knowledge’ guff – Republicans can hardly complain that it is now difficult to prosecute on the word of an informer, or confession evidence, or on hidden intelligence information – that’s exactly how they always wanted it to be. Do it the hard way – get the evidence; then get it past a defense lawyer and the Ombudsman and the HRC. That’s the way it *should* be, isn’t it? ”

    Not being a Republican or SF voter, I really wouldn’t know or particularly care. My day to day politics are to the right of Gerry and Marty. Hint: I’m usually one of those complaining the PSNI is decorative and then only on good days. I’m a nationalist, true, but I don’t think there is a political pigeon-hole I fit in, leastwise comfortably.

    That said, what harm, other than to the drug dealer’s income, does protesting a known drug corner or drug house really present? Would you deny the people their right to assemble or to speak out? If they are incorrect in their assertions, are there not laws under which the injured could seek redress?

  • Turgon

    Parcifal,

    I am not being deliberately antagonistic but marijuna is actually really dangerous. I accept that the majority of users do not become psychotic but the drug is a significant risk factor. It is very likely that some of the people who develop schizophrenia which is a truly dreadful life time disease in the majority of cases would never have developed it had they not taken marijuna. The significant hazards of marijuna have been accepted by the bulk of the medical profession for quite some time.

    In addition marijuna smoke is considerably more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke though clearly it is very difficult to establish which people who get lung cancer etc. get it from marijuna rather than cigarettes.

    I am not trying to preach a sermon and yes I suspect the majority of people who take the stuff may not come to harm but it does not make it safe.

    On the psychosis issue, increasingly psychiatrists regard it as a disease not necessarily associated with personal circumstances. One has an underlying predisposition to it due to multiple factors (including genetic predisposition) and stressors like social factors can help push a person into a psychotic episode but stress, poor family etc, do not create psychosis.

  • Rory

    The only time we see an angry crowd outside the local dealers’ houses in South Tottenham is when a bunch of disgruntled customers come to complain about a shortage of supply or a drop in quality.

    As for a connection between cannabis usage and aberrant behaviour I can confirm it. When the old lady down the street finds herself waiting overlong for a Friday night delivery before she settles down to a glass of sherry, a large spliff and Question Time on Radio 4,she goes absolutely bonkers. Talk about language!

    I wonder if, in a spirit of international goodwill, the 32 County Sovreignty people might have some good advice for these my fellow citizens.

  • parcifal

    Dread, Turgon
    Couple of things
    Yeah kids toke for rebellion, and in places of deprivation there is a huge drug problem, they’re taking the hard stuff, theiving and going to jail, —–hopelessly addicted.
    Its TF Madness

    But your average toker settles down at home, doesn’t drive or do things where impairment would be a problem. That’s the adult side of it.

    Its very important to stress that difference, between childish and adult behaviours and patterns.

    Turgon non-smokers often have it in cakes.

    Rory, that’s a great example.

    So what we’re saying is:
    Don’t punish the rest of us, just because there’s a lot of sad arseholes out there.

    Choice !

    I do accept that in fukt up places like norn iron, drugs are probably a totally bad idea.
    The people haven’t even learnt to get on with each other. So here endeth the lesson.

    But toleration of pot, like in Holland gives an insight into what a normal society is like, and what could and should be for Ireland.

  • Reader

    Dread Cthulhu: If they are incorrect in their assertions, are there not laws under which the injured could seek redress?
    The vigilantes could be done for harassment even if they are right in their assertions, unless they can prove it. Will Martina or the 32CSC pay the fines for them?

  • ciaran

    Reader, do you have any suggestions on how to deal with the problem then? Given that it seems that the psni are either unable or unwilling to do much about the problem , have you any ideas?
    Local people see what is going on and by and large know if drugs are being sold out of a particular house. This is obviously not enough evidence for the police to go on but surely a protest by the local community outside the dealers house is a step in the right direction. I am not saying there should be threats or violence of any kind but a silent protest can work wonders if enough people support it.

  • Paul McMahon

    Interesting debate folks, for what it’s worth I’ll put my tuppence into the ring.

    I’m a middle aged man who’s lived his entire adult life in West Belfast albeit with sporadic adventures to try life in various other [supposedly] exotic countries.

    As it stands now I’ve experimented with EVERY kind of drug apart from PCP angel dust, some of the “softer” drugs at home, along with some of the harder drugs in other countries during my early/ late twenties travels.

    I’ve met with great guys in San Francisco who were sound until they had to visit a crack house, contrary to popular belief they are not 24/7 drug predators, [in my own experience]. I’ve squatted in south London with some of the most humane and generous people I’ve had the pleasure to meet until their supply of junk ran out and then they would be prepared to literally kill for their next fix, in that situation a more vicious and mercenary group of bastards I hope never to meet again.

    Having said that my three times with smack, [many, many years ago], with natives in northern Spain were amongst the best times of my life.

    What I’m trying to say, in a long winded way, is that drugs are dangerous; thankfully I’ve survived my youthful experiments both physically and mentally intact

    I think that I’m lucky.

    I had a close family member take his own life recently as a direct result, IMO, of so called “soft” drugs psychosis

    Back on thread

    I know who the dealers are in my area of West Belfast, the PSNI also know.

    If local individuals increase the pressure to take this offal out of society in a non violent way, regardless of how the ubiquitous Davros /MR/ Cruimh muddy the waters by classing them as a paedophile lynch mob, is it so bad?.

    BTW

    DSO

    “I take it Martina will only be supporting pickets outside the homes of alleged dealers not presently or previously financially supporting sf/ira? That doesn’t really leave too many in nationalist areas.

    Bill Lowry, [senior member of RUC Special Branch], stated in an interview with the Daily Ireland circa May 5th 2005 that the [P] IRA “Were never involved in drugs”

    Can’t find the link. Could someone please supply?

  • Rory

    I should have, before contributing to this thread, as parliamentarians say, “declared an interest”. Like many, I too once smoked cannabis while a student. I am afraid I was much too zonked to remember whether or not I inhaled at the time but I have found over the years that there is much less waste if one does inhale.

    Which of course brings us to the vital question: should Gordon Brown have in his cabinet ministers who are, or at least were, so profligate or so incompetent that they would waste a good toke in such cavalier fashion by failing to inhale? It will hardly do his reputation for prudence or efficiency much good. Perhaps the 32 County Sovreignty Movement can advise him as well as they seem to be so up-to-date on such matters.

  • Harry Flashman

    **Porn is bigger than Hollywood.**

    At risk of dragging this off topic, that is a statement I have often heard made and when it is made most people tut-tut dispprovingly, shake their head and simply accept it unconditionally as being true, but you know what, I think it’s complete bollocks.

    Hollywood is an absolutely huge industry which has spawned billionaires, it drives an entire industrial sector in one of the biggest states in America, can anyone say that the porn industry is bigger? Most porn I have seen has been low budget, cheaply made tat, the actors and actresses turn out to be drug addled drop outs who have been burned out before they make a decent living wage. Beyond Hugh Heffner or Larry Flint whose incomes would be that of a mid-ranking Hollywood star I have never heard of anyone making huge money from porn I mean surpassing Steven Spielberg or even George Clooney or John Travolta.

    Think about it yourself for a moment, 50% of the population by and large don’t even buy porn and the rest of us, well besides a few sad porn addicts, probably spend less than a couple of hundred pounds on porn in their entire lifetimes.

    Can such an industry really be bigger than Hollywood? And has for Moroccan hash producers being equal to Pfizer or Glaxo, hmmm, I’ve been to Morocco, I haven’t actually looked at the latter two’s finacial accounts but I daresay that assertion is pretty wide of the mark.

    Anyways to get on topic, I feel any adult should be free to imbibe whatever poisons he or she desires provided they accept fully the consequences of their actions. For me, I am a non-smoker, I never was into drugs but way and above a bigger destroyer of human lives and good society by far than drugs and tobacco just happens to be my favourite poison of choice.

    Cheers, hic!

  • huge airy

    why dosent ms anderson advocate the picketing of the homes of those who are flooding the areas with cheap tobacco products and alcohol. they cause far more damage to people than weed or e.
    why dosent she advocate picketing the homes of pub owners who are turning a blind eye to children entering their nightclubs and being served alcohol
    big cities have big city problems
    ms anderson is just showing that you cant take the bully out of sinn fein. its there to stay…only the weak and vulnerable are their targets now that they have got into bed with their paymasters
    most of the druggies i know, would rather make a few pound selling hash or weed, than accept 40 pieces of silver like ms anderson and her colleagues have done

  • Rory

    If only they would legalise the bloody stuff then those citizens opposed to their availability could get back to the honorable pastime of picketing politicians who would then be responsible.

    In the meantime all those good citizens who favour legalisation could have a merry time in demonstrations spliffin’ up outside the homes of politicians.

  • willowfield

    “How do these people know the person is guilty? Who decides? In a democratic society we have courts to do that: not Provo mobs. “

    Aah and now we get to the real objection: provo mobs. Oddly, an accusation levelled without any evidence whatsoever by a poster who is lambasting others for levelling accusations without any…evidence.

    Without any evidence? Martina Anderson is advocating this!

    The point is irrelevant anyway: whether the mobs are Provo-organised or not doesn’t matter. It’s still mob rule.

  • ciaran

    I suppose that all we can do then is sit back , do nothing and hope that the police and Prosecution service get their acts together and sort out the law before the drug dealers destroy our society more effectively than any terrorist ever could.I won’t hold my breath then ( or inhale).

  • sven

    Huge airy , are you suggesting that the police are not doing their job properly( or at all) and sinn fein have no option but to answer the call.You seem to be saying that the drug dealers are the weak and vulnerable members of society. I can’t see too many agreeing with you on this point. Martina anderson did not advocate picketing the homes of drug users but drug dealers and I for one think she is right. They are the scum of the earth and deserve to be named and shamed.

    willowfield, there is no mention in the article that I can see of a mob doing the picketing.The article says that if the local community wants to march and picket then the 32 CSM will support them. This seems to be a response to a call by the community for action to be taken about a problem which the psni up to now have ignored.A bit unfair labeling a concerned community a mob.

  • huge airy

    the drug dealers martina anderson is talking about are young lads from nationalist areas of derry who have been unfortunate enough to get addicted and find that selling on a few tablets or a few henrys of coke helps finance their own habits. they are far removed from the wealthy dealers that anderson is portraying them as. they are from those areas and have every right to stay there. its not their fault that society has failed them.
    martina anderson didnt give a monkeys about the welfare of derry people when she went round the town planting bombs, perhaps doing those kids or their parents out of jobs which may have given them a sense of self worth

  • Sean

    Huge Airy

    when you start to deal you no longer can claim to be a victim you are the cancer

  • huge airy

    thats crap…there are more victims of speeding drivers than there are of drug abuse…are you saying that anyone who breaks the speed limit are part of that cancer too. dont be silly
    most drug users are not drug abusers. most enjoy a smoke or a toot or a few pills at the weekend. if there were no users there would be no dealers so surely anyone who uses drugs are part of the cancer.
    im glad i gave my few pounds to my dealertoday, rather than to one off the scumbag bar owners who sell alcohol to our children. My dealer is a far better person than any of those pub owners will ever be, or couls ever hope to be

  • sven

    airy , all that drug use is showing. Who are these young innocent drug dealers of yours selling to? I would bet that in order to fund their own habit they are trying to get younger kids hooked.And if I caught one of those bastards tring to sell drugs to my kids then i would break the wee shits legs.If you have a gripe about alcohol or tobacco then fine, to an extent I agree with you but that does not mean that you can then try to justify drug dealing on the back of it. As for people guily of driving offences, I am of the opinion that zero tolerance is the answer.

  • Sean

    Airy
    when you sell to others you get others hooked on that poison and you are scum. you can dress it anyway you want but dealers are a cancer they are cells spreading uncontrolably just like cancer and should be treated like cancer……with poison

  • willowfield

    I suppose that all we can do then is sit back , do nothing and hope that the police and Prosecution service get their acts together and sort out the law before the drug dealers destroy our society more effectively than any terrorist ever could.

    No. You can report the dealers to the police and agree to testify in court.

  • ciaran

    So that the courts can say there is not enough evidence ,not enough space in the prisons or it is not in the publics best interest for the accused to go to jail. Face facts, willow, all too often these dealers end up out on the streets straight away, selling their drugs in the same houses as before thumbing their noses at the neighbours who complained about them in the first place. Is it any wonder the residents get pissed off and demand community action.

  • Pete Baker

    Updated original post to note the reality on the ground..

  • willowfield

    So that the courts can say there is not enough evidence

    If there’s not enough evidence, then there’s no basis for finding the person guilty. These are the standards we have in a democratic society. Don’t you accept them?

  • ciaran

    Short answer, no. I do not accept that just because the law is not good enough or the police not motivated enough that I should just shrug my shoulders and say ” ah well , they tried god love them” That is not the way laws are changed , police are given a kick up the backside or drug dealers are put out of buisness. As for not enough evidence , I think you and I know that not enough evidence more often means “we want a mountain of evidence so that there is no chance of the wee blighters being able to sue us in the future for wrongful imprisonment”.

  • huge airy

    £1000 bail….lol…he’ll make that back in a few days http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6922420.stm

  • willowfield

    Short answer, no.

    You think the courts should find people guilty without sufficient evidence? That’s outrageous.

  • ciaran

    Didn’t say that , nor did I imply that , how outrageous is that?

  • housewife

    parci:

    “marijuana ……. Also studies show it prolongs the erection.”

    Thank Christ for that. Considering how long it takes my husband I’d hate to have sex with him if he wasn’t a pot head.

  • Rory

    “…Also studies show it (marijuana) prolongs the erection”.

    And when did you do this research, Parcifal? Whose erection did you study and for how long? How much marijuana did you sprinkle on it? Did he catch you? Did you have a puff yourself during the study period?