Tourism and the Twelfth

The Twelfth period seems to have gone well for Belfast hoteliers, some tourist opinions here. Although West Belfast is claiming discrimination by the Northern Ireland Tourist Board.

  • Nevin

    FD, I’m unable to access the NITB and Discover Northern Ireland websites.

  • Cruimh

    “West Belfast is claiming discrimination ”

    Old habits die hard!

  • allybo

    I agree Cruimh. Discrimination against West Belfast in the allocation of government funding must finally end once and for all.
    Well said, Sir.

  • Did the city centre hoteliers give their guests a complimentary blue bag with a few tins of cider, so that they could fit in with the rest of the brethren…?

  • Cruimh

    allybo – West Belfast is a black hole into which government money pours. Bunch of wasters – all of them, Orange and green! And let’s not forget those nice folks behind the AN do very, very nicely out of the people they claim are not their legiimate government.

  • allybo

    Cruimh, your lazy and ignorant sweeping generalisation of 100,000 people does indeed confirm your earlier assertion that old habits do indeed die hard.

  • Cruimh

    allybo – does or does not a lot of Government money go to West Belfast ?

  • Actually cruimh,

    Much of the privately funded schemes in West Belfast have now dried up. These days the Government is pouring millions into the UDA ghettos to support their local narcotics and extortion programmes. Mind you, local businesses need a bit of support dont they…?

  • Cruimh

    “Much of the privately funded schemes in West Belfast have now dried up.”

    We are talking government money mac.
    And I did include the loyalist wasters of west Belfast.

  • Cruimh,

    I meant to say public money and the UDA-run ghettoes whom I was referring to are’nt in West Belfast.

    I have in the past replied to some of your posts Cruimh, but this, I’m afraid, is the last time. You seem to reduce every single post on this site to the most basic and nasty sectarian argument. I dont know what festers inside you, but it’s not very nice…

  • Cruimh

    Nothing sectarian about this mac – West Belfast is a drain on the public purse. Get off your high horse.

  • Doctor Who

    Cruimh

    You are wasting your time, you can take the spide out of West Belfast but you cant take West Belfast out of the spide.

    The bigots macswiney and allybo are two such blinkered fools. All through the troubles, their so called heroes in the Republican movement ghettoised them and encouraged them to destroy their area. Westies have always been first in the queue for govt. grants and social security handouts and always somewhat ironically claim discrimination.

    The very fact that independent studies put parts of the East of the city as some of the poorest districts in Europe escape these west is best morons.

  • allybo

    Cruimh,
    care to actually substantiate your view? Perhaps details of the amount of public money expended per capita within each constituency area? Put up or shut up time.

  • Cruimh

    Dr Who – I’m puzzled though – the sectarianism came from Mac, who is normally quite sensible.

    He was the one focusing on UDA/loyalist areas.

    West Belfast types could whine for gold if it was an Olympic sport.

  • Doctor Who,

    Most working class ghettoes in the East are over-run with Loyalist terrorists running multi-million pound drug cartels and extortion rackets. Even some DUP councillors have supported this view.

    In fact the same DUP councillors have actually used your words ” to destroy their area” to describe the disintegration of the various districts run by the UDA/LVF and UVF. Have you seen the state of The Newtownards Road lately?. Shops closing down and crumbling away because small businesses were being extorted to the hilt bu the local Loyalist ‘heroes’.

    Perhaps you should look closer to home before making your comemnts…?

  • allybo

    lovely stuff, Dr.I’m not actually from West Belfast myself, though. As stated to Cruimh, it’s time for you to produce the figures otherwise the only obvious conclusion is that you are just a stupid, sectarian fool.

    By the way, what part of the world do you live in?

  • allybo

    still waiting on the stats, Cruimh

  • Cruimh

    “care to actually substantiate your view? Perhaps details of the amount of public money expended per capita within each constituency area? Put up or shut up time. ”

    tut tut allybo – where have I claimed that any constituency area gets more or less than any other ?

    I wrote :

    “West Belfast is a black hole into which government money pours.”

    “West Belfast is a drain on the public purse.”

    No comment was made about rankings.

    I did ask you a drect question – from which you ran away.

    I’ll ask again

    does or does not a lot of Government money go to West Belfast ?

  • Cruimh

    So, what is sectarian about criticising a mixed area ?

    MegaMOPE!

  • Sean

    Crumb
    You possited that lots of money goes to west belfast now its time to back that up with facts and figures showing that more money per capita goes there than other places in nIreland

    Otherwise when you call some one a mope you should be looking in a mirror

  • wesley

    Lads

    cruimb/davros/mr is a troll

    Don’t feed him

  • Cruimh

    “You possited that lots of money goes to west belfast now its time to back that up with facts and figures showing that more money per capita goes there than other places in nIreland”

    Why? Lots of public money goes EVERYWHERE in NI –
    I made no comment as to whether or not more goes to North, South, East or West Belfast!!!!!

    my point is that West Belfast people are spectacularly ungrateful and always moaning !

  • Sean

    No apple crumble you infered that west Belfast were a bunch of lazy dole monkeys and now that we have asked you to prove it you are running to hide under your momma’s skirt

  • Cruimh

    “you infered that west Belfast were a bunch of lazy dole monkeys ”

    My first post :

    “Old habits die hard!”

    It was allybo who claimed that West Belfast was and is discriminated against and is being deprived by government. I see your reading skills are as good as your spelling 🙂

    As I said, West Belfast cornerboys lead the world in whining!

  • kensei

    So, not being in Belfast on the Twelfth, were any shops open? Pubs? Cinemas? Night life?

    If not then talking about tourist trade is a waste of bloody time.

  • The City Centre was dead on The Twelfth Kensei. aAbsolutely nowhere open and hundreds of tourists knocking around with nothing to do once the parades had passed. Fair enough, it’s a public holiday, but perhaps we need to have another look at catering for their needs, as their numbers are increasing by the day.

    The 13th was different, with all the shops in the city centre operating on full tilt…

  • slug

    I heard there is a plan generally on Orangefest day to develop more city-centre fringe events, street sellers of food, more music playing, and to develop the feelgood for those attending and watching.

  • Nevin

    It’s the beginning of Rose Week. I suppose the weather’s a bit too chilly for Sammy Week – when all our Rivers run free …

  • The Third Policeman

    “West Belfast is a black hole.”

    Hahaha its not often you see West Belfast given that particular label. 😉

  • Sean

    Perhaps thats a way for the catholics to participate.

    they can open wee food stalls and charge double to make a packet off the imbeciles knuckle dragging down the street

  • allybo

    Cruimh,
    I am at a loss at to why you expect me to provide evidence to justify your squalid attack on West Belfast. It was you who stated that a ‘lot’ of money was poured into West Belfast. I have no idea if that’s true or not and that’s why I asked you to provide evidence to prove it.(evidence that remains tellingly absent)
    What is a ‘lot’ of money anyway? Is it ‘lots’ more than North or East Belfast or Derry or East Antrim?
    Show me the money, Cruimh.

  • Porlock

    “The 13th was different, with all the shops in the city centre operating on full tilt..” (macswiney)

    Not true, I’m afraid. Mrs Porlock and myself dandered into Belfast yesterday afternoon and discovered quite a few shops still shut—including Lounge and Still, two we particularly wanted to go into. Also, quite a few restaurants and coffee shops were also closed.

    Porlock

  • Jason

    Personally, I think the pressure on shops to open on the 12th is bad news. It will be like over here in England when there is pressure on workers to have to go to work on supposed public holidays, the only exception being Christmas Day – big mistake. I was a “political tourist” on the 12th – like quite a few others this year – and we didn’t give a damn about the shops not being open – we had come purely to see the “cultural carnival”/”sectarian coatrailing” – delete as appropriate. As an RC, I certainly had mixed views, but one thing for sure – don’t let big business start making a quick buck out of an event – a sure way to ruin everything

  • McGrath

    “Personally, I think the pressure on shops to open on the 12th is bad news.”

    The are many more commercial possibilities than simply opening the stores. Like any “festival” there are multiple opportunities for street vendors, memorabilia, attractions, sideshows, etc.

    But there is a problem, somewhere between 75% and 90% of the local customer base don’t and wont ever view it as a “festival” (or anything worth spending money on). As it is now, tourism doest apply to the 12th in the same economic terms as tourism is usually applied. Anyone traveling to NI (or around NI) for the 12th falls into a very specialised niche, even if this demographic were to quadruple in size, it would still be a small number.

    Tourism in NI on the whole has been a lame duck for years. Trying to imply that tourism is an economic validator for the 12th is a stretch, considering the 12th is one of the main reasons the NI tourism market is in the toilet to begin with.

  • cynic

    Isn’t amazing just how far Sinn Fein are going these days to embrace their Protestant fellow Irishmen.

    They are absolutely right. The Government (er …..isnt that them though?) should immediately make it a condition of the Orangefest Grant that it is much more inclusive. They could start with a whole new march, perhaps on Easter Sunday, starting at Milltown and working down past all the sites of cultural and historcal significance on the Falls Road.

    This would allow the people of West Belfast to better appreciate Protestant cluture and give a welcome boost to pubs and clubs along the route – all those bandsmen get very thirsty you know.Its cultural tourism after all.

  • Sean

    As someone who has been a tourist in nIreland I can tell you that I tell people specifically not to go in July or August and no amount of that orangefest junk will make me say different

    This was a pretty good year but I will have to see a few more before I told anyone to go in the Summer

    And I wonder how much of this quiet summer was actually due to republicans and not because of anything oo has done.

  • Nevin

    “I wonder how much of this quiet summer was actually due to republicans ..”

    Should the Sinners be ‘congratulated’ for lifting the siege? Some, it appears, have been a bit too slow to get the message ..

  • Sean

    Nevin

    Its obvious to an one looking in from the outside that its the oo that lays siege to nIreland not Sinn Fein