The Twelfth

Well I am suited and booted and after an Ulster fry ready to head off for the Belfast walk and my annual constitutional of about 10-12 miles. Here is the mandatory annual news piece on today’s events. For those not participating or spectating here is some travel advice. Today will also be a test for the PSNI promise to act on public drinking, my money is on proactive up the country but no/little action in Belfast.

  • JC

    In July 1847, the Belfast Orange Lodge lamented that the recent famine had ‘thinned out our local population and removed many of our Loyal brethern’.

    Let us see do they remember this now.

  • merrie

    Enjoy your day, FD, but I hope you do not march where you are not wanted.

    And don’t get too pissed!! Remember the headache you may have the next day!!

  • Happy ‘Twelfth’ to all orange tinted bloggers & readers, enjoy your day.

  • overhere

    Happy Twelfth to all the walkers and those enjoying the day, hope the weather stays good for the Hay!!

  • parcifal

    fair-deal
    would you carry a wee tri-colour just for me to symbolise peace between the orange and green.
    Would make a nice gesture. Thanks 🙂

  • Tochais Síoraí

    And could you get the band to play Amhrán na bhfiann as they go through the Ardoyne.

  • Rory

    If you can’t get drunk I’m not goin’. What would be the point?

  • Juan

    Have a good 12th folks,

    and all you chuckies have fun complaining !

  • Fair deal,

    I to wish you an enjoyable peaceful day and without sounding patronizing I ask you and your colleagues not to intrude into other peoples space.

    Best regards

    Mick

  • Juan who’s complaining ??

    Most ‘chuckies’ dont even take any motice. I work in an office in Belfast City Centre, and we have over 300 staff in working today. (something which would have never happened years ago).

    Most shops in Nationalist areas are operating as usaul and even Belfast City centre’s shops are all open as usual tomorrow…

  • Cruimh

    “I work in an office in Belfast City Centre”

    On a coffee break are we ? 😉

    (just kidding)

  • If it wasnt for the old web, how would a “good” employee get through his day…??!!

  • Cruimh

    LOL Mac – cheers – I hope you are on (at least) time and a half today !

  • Comrade Stalin

    I work in an office in Belfast City Centre, and we have over 300 staff in working today. (something which would have never happened years ago).

    macswiney, obviously you are in a call centre for a large UK corporation, and as such they require people to work on the 12th, which is an official public holiday here. Abbey or Halifax ? ..

    FD:

    Today will also be a test for the PSNI promise to act on public drinking, my money is on proactive up the country but no/little action in Belfast.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but neither the Orange Order nor any of the unionist parties have actually asked (publicly) that the PSNI crack down. I’ve seen no evidence that the OO have publicly asked people not to drink in the vicinity of the parades.

    The PSNI won’t crack down on anything illegal if they think there will be a political backlash. This is why illegal bonfires and illegal drinking in public are tolerated. I think it’s a disgrace.

  • Comrade, there was something on Newsline last night about a group of folk in east Belfast trying to stop over-endulgance particularly from young people which they said the OO supported.

  • Gravy Train

    Watching the march-a-thon online.
    Was I the only one whose blood ran cold when a female BBC reporter complemented a dressed-up John Laird on his nice sword? To be fair to him he didn’t resort to form and ask her to check out the heft of his ‘mighty chopper’ (thank fuck)

  • Good try Cruimh, but wrong I’m afraid…!

  • Cruimh

    Mac- speak to your union!

  • Dev

    As someone who is living ‘over there’ in England I am shocked and appalled that I haven’t got the day off!!!! Where is the reciprocation of loyalty shown by our Orange Brethren? Typical perfidious Albion!

  • Comrade Stalin

    beano:

    Comrade, there was something on Newsline last night about a group of folk in east Belfast trying to stop over-endulgance particularly from young people which they said the OO supported.

    I saw that. It’s like Canute ordering the tide to go out. If the OO won’t ask for it, the politicians won’t ask for it, it’s not going to work if a small community group asks for it. What is required here is upholding the law, and unionism isn’t rising to the occasion.

  • willis

    I’m looking forward to the speeches of congratulation to the FM / DFM.

  • JUAN

    Beeb commontary pathetic, these guys dont shut up and have no idea what they are on about, one of thems talking about a wet t shirt compitition, and are surprised at Irish dancing classes in Orange halls in Ballymena,
    someof the best dancers in Ireland were trained in Orange halls FSS !

    ITS ALMOST LIKE THE BEEB PUT UP TWO OLD PRATS FOR BADNESS……….

  • Reality Strikes

    It should never be forgotten that the activities of Orange marchers and their supporters directly led to the deaths of:
    Darren Murray (1996)
    Michael McGoldrick (1996)
    Robert Hamill (1997)
    Bernadatte Martin (1997)
    Greg Taylor (1997)
    Adrian Lamph (1998)
    Ciaran Heffron (1998)
    the three young Quinn boys, Richard (11), Mark (nine) and Jason (eight) (1998)
    James Morgan (1998)
    Frankie Reilly (1998)
    Rosemary Nelson (1999)
    Elizabeth O’Neill (1999)

    They won’t be mentioned on the Beeb or elsewhere today

  • esmereldavillalobos

    No Walter Love this year, what’s going on?

    Also to paraphrase the commentators, there are very few women marching this year – co-commentator: “We won’t go into that today…”

    Why not? We should be told!

    Enjoy the walk, guys.

  • willis

    Juan

    It is an obvious problem. Those that know most will be marching. I assume you are blogging from your crackberry while on the move.

  • Sean

    why not juan

    two old prats for badness would fit right into the march

  • Pilib

    “It should never be forgotten that the activities of Orange marchers and their supporters directly led to the deaths of:
    Darren Murray (1996)
    Michael McGoldrick (1996)
    Robert Hamill (1997)
    Bernadatte Martin (1997)
    Greg Taylor (1997)
    Adrian Lamph (1998)
    Ciaran Heffron (1998)
    the three young Quinn boys, Richard (11), Mark (nine) and Jason (eight) (1998)
    James Morgan (1998)
    Frankie Reilly (1998)
    Rosemary Nelson (1999)
    Elizabeth O’Neill (1999)

    They won’t be mentioned on the Beeb or elsewhere today.”

    Timely reminder indeed. What each of us can do to preserve and celebrate human life on a day like this? All I can suggest is that we try to understand each other in kindness and peace. May all who remember their loved ones this day achieve some peace.

  • They can pnly enjy themselves if they goose step into areas they are not wanted. Just like Adolf and the SS Huns.

  • Comrade,

    Your obsession with my employer is somewhat bizarre to be honest…!

    There are now dozens of companies (including 5 international companies) operating in central Belfast. Suffice to say then your strange conclusions are well wide of the mark. You need to catch up a wee bit if you think that only Abbey and Halifax operate in Central Belfast. It must be quite some time since you have been here…

  • inuit_g

    Popped down the bottom of my road this morning to watch the Belfast parade go by – as a southerner the sheer audio-visual impact of it gets me every time and I’m very pleased of the emphasis being laid this year on civic responsibility and making the day more friendly to others including tourists. I know community groups in East Belfast especially have been working very hard on this.

    That said the ‘blue bag brigade’ were very much in evidence even around 11am (lisburn road) – hundreds of already drunk schoolchildren swaggering along.

    Typical scene – there was a nice old couple sitting on the wall besides me sharing an umbrella, smiling as the parade goes by, waving at the people they knew – as they’d probably been doing for the last 50 years!

    Along comes bunch of swaggering teenagers, hurtling along the sidewalk with a real nasty “dont f*ck with us” air about them – about a dozen or more, some barely out of primary school, all clearly pissed and swigging their litre bottles of WKD and cider – basically just charging along up the sidewalk practically elbowing the other spectators out of the way including the wee elderly couple.

    And this was the scene on the way out at 11am – i’m guessing that add in another 7 hours hard drinking by the time of the return leg around 6pm and the atmosphere won’t exactly be “family-friendly”.

    I’m always struck by the amazing contrast between this drunken, obnoxious yobbo element and the impeccable appearance and behaviour of the (vast majority) of the Orangemen and Bandsmen parading – many of whom will have been practising for months for the big day.

    Doubtless many of the Orangemen and Bandsmen too will be cracking open some well deserved lagers later on after their long march in the rain – by then most of the yobbo element will probably already have drank themselves unconscious!

  • Pounder

    I’ve always said that it was the drinking culture mixed with the Ornage culture that gave the whole thing a bad name. Alcohol is not a good drug, it is anti-social and brings out the worst in many people, mixed with the Orange Culture which itself does have it’s own nasty side and it’s a fight waiting to happen.

  • Realist

    “I’m always struck by the amazing contrast between this drunken, obnoxious yobbo element and the impeccable appearance and behaviour of the (vast majority) of the Orangemen and Bandsmen parading – many of whom will have been practising for months for the big day”

    We do something similar up here on the 17th March too.

    Although, the “obnoxious yobbo element” are so much worse when they happen to be “Prods”.

  • BogExile

    PSI OPERATIONAL ORDER 1690

    POLICING THE JULY 12TH DEMONSTRATIONS

    1. All police leave is cancelled.
    2. All police training is cancelled
    3. All police sickness is cancelled
    4. All police policing is cancelled
    5. All senior police officers to fly to assembly area ‘Algarve’
    6. All Catholic police officers to swim to assembly area ‘Rathlin’
    7. All Polish police officers to go to assembly area ‘Gherkin’
    8. Remaining 31 officers in force to assemble under LOL 999 – ‘Pride of Brooklyn’ banner and join Crossmaglen feeder parade

    Have a great day FD 🙂

  • Shades40

    Having watched the parade in Belfast on the BBC I thought you all might enjoy this…….

  • merrie

    FD: Can you give us a report of your day out with the OO?

  • jimboy2

    Re: “Beeb commontary pathetic, these guys dont shut up and have no idea what they are on about…….”

    One of them, Clifford Smyth, is the Orange Order Historian.

  • dan

    ‘One of them, Clifford Smyth, is the Orange Order Historian.’

    Is he the oul boy that dresses up as a woman ?

  • Rory

    “Alcohol is not a good drug, it is anti-social…”

    Please, please Pounder do not invite me to dinner chez nous as a refusal, as the gombeen men say, “often offends”.

    If after a good dinner of pan fried fillets of Red Mullet and a nice bottle (or two of claret) I decide to marmalise Herself would that be anti-social? There’s one band of opinion says I’d be doing the neighbourhood a favour.

    Besides which how would the young men and women shed their natural reticence, modesty and inhibition to enter into a display of “Ulster-Scots dancing” without the nerve settling effects of a bottle of Buckfast (or two) and a few cans of White Lightning Super Cider. Abstainence would supress the unique cultural drive in them and UNESCO would be obliged to intervene.

  • fair_deal

    All those who sent there good wishes thank you.

    Merrie

    I don’t drink on the Twelfth so only sore feet and legs tomorrow.

    Comrade Stalin

    “I’ve seen no evidence that the OO have publicly asked people not to drink in the vicinity of the parades.”

    I am afraid you are mistaken there plus the police said they would act as well.

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news?articleid=2957404
    http://www.sundaylife.co.uk/news/article2745596.ece

  • I always remember back when… I wished Aine from Tyrone a “happy glorious 12th”, just to annoy her, she laughed and then mortified told me how she and her friends on the 11th used pray for hot, heat-wave type, weather for the next day “… so some of those bigotted ol’ bastards would have a heart-attack and die.!!”

  • fair_deal wrote “Comrade Stalin
    “I’ve seen no evidence that the OO have publicly asked people not to drink in the vicinity of the parades.”
    I am afraid you are mistaken there plus the police said they would act as well. “

    However Comrade that was an easy mistake to make. The article from the Paper Of Record for Unionists (Newslaughter) quoted, was from back on 15June a whole four weeks before the Drunk-fest.

    Secondly it wasn’t a very extensive article only 19 sentences long; including 5 sentences from Drew ‘Grand Wizard’ Nelson and 3 sentences from an unnamed mouthpiece from the Loyal Orders and Bands Assoc. Confusingly there’s also 3 sentences from a statement by ‘the Order’ (which one I’m not sure).

    Not exactly an emphatic condemnation of the Buckfast drinking behaviour and subsequent depraved antics that we all come to know the 12th by!! from those sober and sensible hooligans of decades previously.!!

  • mark

    The MP for South Belfast Alastair McDonnell has called on the IFA to give a clear lead by condemning fans who have erected its flags over the twelth period.

    He said the supporters had erected the flags in an effort to try and intimidate and were put up to mark out sectartian territory.

    To be fair, its an improvement on last year when northern ireland football supporters erected loyalist paramilitary flags alongside those of the n.i team in many loyalist areas.

    A case of ‘football for all’ as long as you are loyalist.

  • Swingin’ Tone

    Didnt see that item. Got a link for it?