Carjacker gets his comeuppance…


WATCH the YouTube video to see how an armed car hijacker on the Falls Road discovered he couldn’t scare everyone. As he attempts his carjacking, members of the public intervene and prevent him taking the car. According to the Andytown News, police had failed to act when warned about the hood beforehand and the gun was handed over to the PSNI when the matter had finally been “prioritised accordingly”.

  • smcgiff

    Poor misunderstood Yuff.

  • Frank Sinistra

    *applause*

  • Stan

    Never thought I’d see the day when the Andytown News would be complaining about the police not coming.

  • Glensman

    That was class! I despise car crime/kinda enjoy violence.

  • Nuttal

    Here’s another good fight. Apologies if i’m repeating this

  • Juan

    Never tghought i’d see the day an armed local was not being appluded in west belfast, depends who gets car jacked i suppose (or indeed striped and lynched)

    the A’Town news also used to claim the police pissed on disabled people.

  • Frank Sinistra

    There are loads of comments on this version. Even names the scum.

  • fair_deal

    I see recognition and co-operation with the police now ensures there are equal standards of policing in all communities, namely sub-standard.

  • eranu

    well done the west belfast public. attitudes are definately changing for the good if they decided to hand the gun to police.

  • I Wonder

    Well done, citizens.

  • joeCanuck

    Bit foolhardy tackling a guy with a gun. Could have gone terribly wrong for the enraged citizen.
    But a good outcome. Sends a powerful message to thugs that people have had enough, and now that republicans have accepted the PSNI, people are no longer afraid to stand up for themselves.
    Still wouldn’t recommend going at a guy with a gun, though.

  • StarHound

    The PSNI deserve a kick up the backside for their handling of this – they have managed to compound their failing by refusing to give a decent explanation of themselves.

  • Shouldn’t those members of the public who intervened be the first nominees for the CRJ ?

    the first punch thrown was a beaut… knocked the jacker straight to the ground… celeb in the making … soon to feature at the Point Depot.

  • snakebrain

    Yeah that first punch was pretty satisfying viewing alright

  • Plum Duff

    The PSNI stood by and watched as a crowd of young thugs terrorised a family in Downpatrick. Now on the Falls Road, they ‘prioritised’ matters ‘accordingly’ while a gun-toting hood tried to hijack cars – in other words, did sweet FA. It takes you back to the RUC’s handling Robert Hamill case when he got kicked to death while they looked on.

    Plus ca change…

    Just what *ARE* these guys getting paid for?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    fair_deal: “I see recognition and co-operation with the police now ensures there are equal standards of policing in all communities, namely sub-standard. ”

    Gotta start somewhere. At least now its EQUALLY miserable.

  • Ziznivy

    Bravo!

    I had my car nicked from a feww hundred yards away from Donegall Pass Police Station. Useless barstewards didn’t even come and inspect the crime scene. They’re glorified insurance workers.

  • northsider

    Apparently, its ‘family’ or members of the species thereof, lumbered onto the scene and proceeded to grunt and squeal at the members of the human race gathered there. One of whom had thankfully applied the mercy dig to the side of the head.

    This is all connected to the Ballymurphy feud, for those not in the know. The ‘family’ and others associated are what you’d see if you sneezed on a slide and placed it under a microscope.

  • Cromwell

    This is the time for the correct application of the word “gubbed”!

    Yer mon was gubbed.

  • overhere

    Should have run over the t*at

  • UFB

    I think that the noun “blatter” is more appropriate in this scenario i.e.

    The scumbag arsewipe got a good blatter’in

  • moochin photoman

    That first punch was a cracker for sure, warmed the cockles of my sad twisted heart!

  • snakebrain

    I believe the appropriate vernacular may be either “twatted” or “cleaned”

    Though gubbed was good too…

    I just watched it again, it really was a good punch..

  • And people say civic-mindedness is dead…

  • moochin photoman

    Having just read the article in the Andytown News it occurred to me what a good citizen yer man who threw the first punch was, calling for an ambulance after decking the carjacker. I’d say he broke his jaw the way he went down….. you tend to know when you have landed such a sweet one.
    I wonder if they gave him first aid too?

  • lamh dearg

    Violence, aggression, crime, laughter and applause at the breaking of bones

    Thank God I don’t live among these thugs.

    Norn Ireland, hi! The land that civilization forgot

  • Pounder

    Call me callous if you want but if a car jacker gets his ass handed to him I’m not going to shed any tears. Joy riders rank only a little higher than peadophiles and drug dealers in my estimation.

    lamh dearg must be one of David Cameron’s hoodie huggers.

  • Nick Kent

    Not being from Belfast I’m not sure of the appropriate venacular but I do know that at least two of these yobbish thugs were decidely blue flashed.
    Perhaps Lamh would have preferred it if the terrified driver had got out of her car, along with her companion and two young children, and handed the car keys over to the attempted armed robber/attenpted carjacker/criminal damage vandal?
    If this had happened in London the civic mindedness of these individuals would be lauded with the tabloid press calling them “have a go heroes” etc

  • That was two knockouts, wasn’t it? The second guy too?

  • Donnacha

    I like the way the third guy thought the better of getting involved and concentrated instead on showing concern for Thug #2, lying motionless on the copncrete. Thanks for posting this, it has brightened my morning.

  • TAFKABO

    There’s no doubt that the violence was completely justified.
    The cheering and celebrations on this thread though?
    Perhaps not so much…

  • Pounder

    So what would you do with car jackers TAFKABO? Sent them to Butlins? Ever had a gun pointed at you? Joyriders are one of the lowest forms of scum on the planet, if one of them gets a kicking fuck him, I’d have curb stomped the bastard as he lay crying on the ground.

  • TAFKABO

    Go back and read the first line of my post again.

    I’m beginning to remember why I stopped posting here. It’s just another internet trollfest.

  • Comrade Stalin

    It’s gratifying to see a carjacker getting pasted, but there’s something about the film that doesn’t fit. Was that crowd of people just standing there waiting for this to happen ?

    Did the peelers finally lift the carjackers and are they being charged ?

  • Sean

    Question is why did the “best police force” in the world take 45 minutes to respond, is a man with a gun not an emergency?

    And if the PSNI are the “best police force” in the world, colour me happy I don’t live with the worst police force in the world

  • troller

    They are all a bunch of goddam porch monkeys.

  • Frank Sinistra

    CS,

    Read the article, the thugs had been running around with a gun smashing up cars for 45mins in the middle of a main road. That tends to attract attention and thank god it did as the PSNI weren’t interested.

    As the muppet ended up in hospital and the gun was handed to the police, if they didn’t arrest him there is something even more wrong with the cops.

    The only thing that doesn’t add up are the PSNI’s actions.

  • conjo

    CS

    “Read the article”

    Duh!!! It was in the Andytown News, it must be true.

  • snakebrain

    Where did the kid get the gun? Was it a genuine firearm? Has it been, or will it be, traced?

    I thought all the RA’s guns had been decommissioned. What with our rather chequered past, it ought to be a lot harder for a teenage thug to pick up a gun in Belfast than in, say, London.

    It’ll be interesting to see if that little detail comes out of the police investigation.

  • Gerry Kelly

    The Bull O’Donoghue was great kicking Morgan out. Let’s hope he kicks a Provo out every day. The name of our Dail is Dail Eireann. If Provos refuse to be fully house trained, they should be expelled.

  • john

    Pity the ones who carjacked my parents in the early seventies didn`t get the same treatment back then-mind you they called themselves volunteers in those days.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Frank, I did read the article.

    Anyone know if a complaint has been submitted to the Police Ombudsman ? It should be pretty straightforward for her to establish if the PSNI did indeed receive a call 45 minutes prior to this incident.

  • escriva

    “Violence, aggression, crime, laughter and applause at the breaking of bones…”

    There is a very disturbing tone of acceptance for violent vigilantism in this clip and while this may be “explained” by a perceived ineffectiveness of our police force, we should not forget what this same mentality has given rise to over the past thirty or forty years. Whilst I have no sympathy for the young thug in the clip, I am worried at the “entertainment” value it clearly provides for the onlookers.

  • redhaze

    CS,

    The hoods in question had already tried to rob the shop in question earlier in the evening. They were unsuccessful thanks to the bravery of a local man who is employed as a security guard at the premises, precisely to deal with scum like the two chandalier chin brothers who were “knocked stinkin” in the clip above.

    They hurled threats about coming back later to ‘do the man’ and burn the shop. Considering some of the people are involved in the feud in Ballymurphy this is not to viewed as an idle threat.

    They retreated to the Leisure Centre across the road and continued to endulge in the dutch courage required for further action and it is at this point that the PSNI were called and locals began to gather to defend the hard working much abused local man in question.

    This community stood together and won on this occasion.

    BTW the firearm turned out to be a replica or a fake…unlike the right hook…that was the real deal.

  • northsider

    BTW the firearm turned out to be a replica or a fake…unlike the right hook…that was the real deal.

    Ha ha!

    I’ll never tire of looking at the two of them getting done. I wasn’t aware the second one – fatso – was the brother of the first one. He went down like a sack of sh*t.

    Fitting, seeing as he is one.

  • snakebrain

    escriva

    There’s a world of difference between vigilantism and a citizen preventing a lawbreaker from committing violent crime in broad daylight on a public thoroughfare.

    You probably owe the guy in question an apology for suggesting that was his motivation.

    I think your words are underlain by a refusal to accept the use of force in any context. The use of reasonable force to prevent a violent crime is perfectly acceptable.

    And, believe it or not, there can be a skill and beauty to the exercise of physical force. Watch the Shaolin monks demonstrate their abilities if you don’t believe me. They’re another group who had highly-developed skills of combat which were harnessed for good.

    That was a beautiful punch. If you’d ever thrown one, or if you could see past your blanket intolerance of violence, you’d know that.

    The rule of law and order was built over hundreds of years by imposing it on those who would choose chaos and anarchy in their own selfish interests. If you wish to live in a society that enjoys the benefits of peace, the freedom to walk the streets unmolested, the right to determine your actions without fear, you have to be prepared to tolerate the ongoing maintenance of that situation.

    What you saw in that video clip was just that. Ordinary citizens defending their right to live free of the fear of violence and mob rule, and that is why we are right to cheer it.

  • nmc

    Redhaze has it right. The shop is also a Post Office so they employ security, and such security. It was a peach of a slap, and he deserved it – it’s an occupational hazard of running around being a menace to your own neighbours.

  • It was a peach of a slap

    Some slap. Tyson would have been proud of that.

    Evidently, the price of peace is eternal vigilantes…

  • barnshee

    “The PSNI deserve a kick up the backside for their handling of this – they have managed to compound their failing by refusing to give a decent explanation of themselves. ”

    What?risk themselves in W Belfast. lets face it who cares what the natives there do as long as its in W Belfast

  • circles

    I just realised why that first dig looked so startlingly powerful – the secret is not so much in the dig – which looks more or less sound – but the way in which the fella goes down.
    No reflex arm springing out to break the fall, no rolling of the body after impact – this thug was off his nut big time.
    So taking into account that the fella was seriously inebriated the question I would ask is if the level of violence used wasn’t a wee bit excessive. Now I know we’re all well used to excessive violence, but really, was a dig like that required?
    Fair dues they didn’t give him a kicking when he was down (which may have been quite tempting) – so maybe it was the minimum force. I just wonder how long it’ll take the thug to have a claim in against that guy for assault.

  • Donnacha

    Circles, you’re right he was probably pissed, but I reckon from re-viewing the clip (at great length with a broad smile on my face) that he’s unconscious shortly after impact and that’s why no effort to break his fall. Technically, that punch was one of the sweetest I’ve seen and you just know when you’ve landed a beauty.

  • smoohooboohoo

    the waster got his comeuppance. 45 minutes these scum were running amok and when they were gubbed their mammy and aunties were on the scene in seconds. poor lickle darlings were only having a bit of fun. they were only going to the shop to get milk for their granny who is housebound.i made the last sentence up but you get their drift.i heard they are getting evicted so god help any area they end up in.careful circles, it could be yours.

  • Comrade Stalin

    redhaze, thanks for the explanation.

  • john

    dirty bastards got what’s coming to them

  • tony

    I hear he’s being lined up for the undercard of the next Amir Khan fight.

  • trotsky

    “I would ask is if the level of violence used wasn’t a wee bit excessive.”

    How can you get any less excessive than one punch?

  • redhaze

    Sammy,

    “Some slap. Tyson would have been proud of that.

    Evidently, the price of peace is eternal vigilantes… ”

    It has little to do with vigilantes and more to do with an already failing police force. Bottom line is if they had responded to the calls from residents then ordinary members of the public wouldn’t have had to put themselves at risk in tackling this scum.

    Circles,

    “No reflex arm springing out to break the fall, no rolling of the body after impact – this thug was off his nut big time.
    So taking into account that the fella was seriously inebriated the question I would ask is if the level of violence used wasn’t a wee bit excessive. Now I know we’re all well used to excessive violence, but really, was a dig like that required?”

    The way the thug falls is totally down to be “knocked stinkin” as one of the young helpful commentators offered. This is not due to alcohol but due to being unconscious for 10-15mins before the ambulance got there…which beat the cops there by the way, even though the cops had a 45min headstart.

    For your info, these scum bags are routinely armed and are capable of alarming rates of violence. So what would you do circles, albeit from the safety of your pc? Would you ‘spark him out’ and return to your family alive or wrestle with the filth whilst maybe getting stabbed in the process and have the gallant PSNI attend your home to tell your wife that you’ll not be coming home again?

    Bet the cops would be quicker taking up duties like that than tackling the filth they have on their books.

    The residents deserve applause not a step by step critical analysis by pc warriors.

  • circles

    I’d have taken a hurl to his features redhaze – wouldn’t want to break a hand on his thick skull.

    If you read my post though rh you’ll see i didn’t criticise the guy that gubbed him – I was more wondering aloud about how numb to violence we are. When seeing someone chinned like that brings a smile to our faces maybe we should just think about what that means for just a wee second. I’m not quite sure if its normal thats all.

  • redhaze

    Circles,

    I have read your post again and I fail to see how you were just wondering aloud at how numb to violence we are.

    “So taking into account that the fella was seriously inebriated the question I would ask is if the level of violence used wasn’t a wee bit excessive. Now I know we’re all well used to excessive violence, but really, was a dig like that required?”

    This seems a fairly obvious criticism of the man in questions actions. I don’t see how it can be interpreted otherwise. Don’t see how you make this criticism and then go on to say you’d have hit him with a hurl?

    I think the man shouldn’t be questioned as he took a real risk with his personal safety to prevent this scum from attacking others.

    As Jack Nicholson said in A Few Good Men…

    “…I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said ‘Thank you’, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand at post…”

    A bit dramatic but I think you’ll get the point.

    On another point, rather than advise me to read your post maybe you should have done likewise before posting the second.

  • circles

    RedHaze – I don’t question the man, I questioned the dig. I didn’t say it was right or wrong – I simply asked. Asking is not criticising – theres no need to fear questions. Even if they make you think – thats still not a crime.
    An obvious criticism would have been “yer man was completely in the wrong to have hit that youth” – but thats not what I said, nor was it what I was thinking. I was asking of the violence was necessary – maybe it was.

    Oh by the way was that you then RH who did the digging? Or was that “I” in the Nicholson quote an attempt simply to associate yourself with the mighty slugger (not o’toole)?

  • Northsider

    Apart from being covered in the Atown News, there’s been no coverage of a) the crimes of these two pieces of sh*t b) their connection to the Ballymurphy feud and c) the seeming inability of the authorities to put them away.

    I’d say that’s a story – and knowing the laws on reporting ongoing crime – I still think it’s time some hack went and stretched said laws to the limit in order to tell this story.

    I work have a car, mortgage, pay my taxes, never been in trouble in my life. If I went out tonight and stole a car, I would be in the clink before you can say ‘double standards’.

    And as for those who are pontificating from their PCS far from where all this is taking place about the man who did what we all secretly dream of doing – I say, walk a mile in the shoes of the people subjected to this day and daily before you come over all sanctimonious.

    I had a barney with RedHaze over the election earlier this year – but he is bang on the money here in relation to this, and is the only one talking sense on this thread.

    Fair play to you, mate.

  • It has little to do with vigilantes and more to do with an already failing police force. Bottom line is if they had responded to the calls from residents then ordinary members of the public wouldn’t have had to put themselves at risk in tackling this scum.

    Redhaze – I wasn’t criticising. I’m glad the fella had the balls to do what he did.

  • circles

    by the way redhaze – have you not taken a redner since posting that movie quote? Cheesy rather than dramatic.

  • redhaze

    Northsider,

    Thanks for that, its good when sparring partners can come together on some issues..haha.

    Circles,

    Oh dear. I had given some thought to the fact that it could be viewed in many ways (the movie quote) but it relayed my feelings on it better than I could….no redner no.

    “I don’t question the man, I questioned the dig.”

    Hmmm…now you are capable of separating the man from the punch…and the man from his decision to throw it…interesting. Balls but interesting all the same.

    “I was asking of the violence was necessary – maybe it was.”

    Well the best way to contribute to this would be to offer your alternative, as I asked you to do. Would you advise a knock out of this routinely armed thug or would you wrsetle with him and hope not to get run through with somethng? Or maybe you would have preferred to have been there to tackle it in another fashion? Just for clarity we already know that phoning the PSNI is not a viable option in this case.

    “Oh by the way was that you then RH who did the digging? Or was that “I” in the Nicholson quote an attempt simply to associate yourself with the mighty slugger (not o’toole)?”

    No it was not me circles, however, I do know the people involved personally and they are good people who offer a lot to their communities, unlike the flith that got smacked.

    The “I” was not me associating myself with it but rather an attempt to see it from the perspective of the man who defended the two ladies and two oung children in the car in question and the community at large for that matter.

    I should have spelt this out for you. Apologies.

    My main issue with a topic like this and how some people respond to it is the fact that some people from the safety of their home pcs feel they must critically analyse everything. Questions are nothing to be frightened of, that is true.

    But a gang of violent drunken yobs with weapons..well that it a different matter. It troubles me when people have the courage and selflessness to step into the breach, step into situations which are very dangerous for their personal safety (not only immediately but also every night in the future when such scum may choose to hit back) and people have the gall to even question what they have done.

    I would say their time would be much better spent analysing the obvious failure of the PSNI to do what they crow continuously that they are doing…namely their job.

    So in this situation I remain redner free, the question is circles have you?

    We may choose to agree or disagree on this and that is no problem. However, I must say the questioning of such people really is a bit rich and is something that I deem totally unnecessary particularly from the unqualified.

    Sammy,

    The use of the word vigilante can appear to be a criticism as it can imply that the man was avenging crime amongst other things. He wasn’t of course, he was protecting other members of the public from violence and the threat thereof.

  • Comrade Stalin

    It sounds to me that the force was used here to prevent a greater crime from taking place. I’m shedding no tears about the level of violence that was used.

    The central issue to me is the alleged failure of the police to act. This needs to be carefully investigated and action taken to address it. If these characters are causing trouble routinely in the area, the police should be there making their lives a misery.

    People are saying how strange it is that the media are not reporting this. What I think is stranger is the absence of comments from any local politicians – Sinn Fein haven’t said much if anything (the link to the article now seems to be broken). Are they afraid of getting involved ? In times past, they’d be beating down the door of the Secretary of State looking for answers.

  • bumfluff

    whats the betting that the puncher becomes the punchee in the not too distant future??

  • bumfluff

    it dosent take a big man to blindside someone in the way it happened on the video….can anyone tell me why the puncher didnt have the balls to meet the young lad face to face

  • can anyone tell me why the puncher didnt have the balls to meet the young lad face to face

    Er… maybe because he was brandishing a gun, holding up cars at gunpoint and all that?

    Twit.

  • bumfluff

    i didnt see a gun, did you Sammy Morse or are you now excusing provo violence without evidence
    the lad wasnt going to hijack the car. He looks drunk and wasnt even facing it until the horn sounded…it looks like he had both hands on the bonnet when he was hit from his blindside. The guy who hit him is a cowardly bastard. Just the type that would shoot someone on orders from mcguinness
    It says a lot about some of the posters here when they can excuse violence like this on the word of the provos
    Things will only get worse, Im afraid, because violence breeds violence

  • Northsider

    Things will only get worse, Im afraid, because violence breeds violence

    You might be right about that, bumface. You might be right. But here, you don’t seem to have much, so ~I’m going to give you some. That’s smarts, son.

    I’m a betting man, and if it ever came to it, you know a full-blown conflict between those MEN on the pavement, up against the boozed up, drugged out, turds-for-brains, cowardly, unemployable, sub-human scum on the road then i’d put my mortgage on the decent, working, clever, brave people every time.

    You see, mate, it would be very different to robbing pensioners in their homes, or firebombing families in the middle of the night.

    Still, I’m sure their glad to have some people come on here to defend their right to torment their community.

    Well done.

  • bumfluff

    the guy in the video wasnt tormenting anyone, Northsider. He was making gestures to the thugs on the side of the road when the car horn sounded…he then turned and put his hands on the bonnet when he was attacked by a coward, who had plenty of time to hit him toe to toe when he was facing him, but seemingly, didnt have the balls to take him on fairly and squarely
    there were no pensioners robbed, nor was there any houses firebombed during the incident. You obviously have an axe to grind and are happy using misinformation to grind it. Shame on you but this is typical Sinn Fein propoganda

  • tiresome

    [b]bumfluff

    i didnt see a gun, did you Sammy Morse or are you now excusing provo violence without evidence
    the lad wasnt going to hijack the car. He looks drunk and wasnt even facing it until the horn sounded…it looks like he had both hands on the bonnet when he was hit from his blindside.[/b]

    didnt see it the first few times I watched it watch it again pay attention to his right hand down by his side not on the bonnet immediately before he gets hit.

    since your asking about evidence provide evidence that he was drunk and that the person who hit him was a provie.

  • Sean

    hey Bumface you arent from the wrong side of the Murph are you?

    I mean you wouldnt be one of the other hanger ons not brave enough to come to the defence of their friend after he was righteously smacked down. I know that a couple gits did and suffered the same fate as the first scummy yob

    As for your position that he was being harmless, catch your self on. he was robbing people and harrassing the whole of the street and the people did the right thing and called the useles police service of northern Ireland. They didnt show up and when he pushed it too far he was dealt with.

    LOL nice attempt to blame the IRA though surprised the more virulent members of the oo didnt take and run with that

  • bumfluff

    is there a difference between the PIRA and the PSNI….?

  • Sean

    not to you apperently bumfeck you appear to be scared of both

  • Comrade Stalin

    Clearly nothing to do with the IRA, but even if it was, it still doesn’t look like they did anything except put a dangerous antisocial idiot out of action.

  • i didnt see a gun, did you Sammy Morse or are you now excusing provo violence without evidence

    I’ve no reason to doubt eyewitness accounts, especially when a gun was handed into police.

    Provo violence? How do you the guy involved was a provo?

  • Frank Sinistra

    I can’t help but think several people commenting on this thread have seen the location, the Falls Road, and then automatically tried to find wrong in what is often described as a ‘have a go hero’.

    What’s encouraging is the vast majority didn’t care about location and recognised the good citizenship.

    The biased idiots were a tiny minority. Excellent.

  • escriva

    snakebrain,

    You clearly didn’t read the bit where I wrote I have no sympathy for the young thug in the clip, I am worried at the “entertainment” value it clearly provides for the onlookers

    ”I think your words are underlain by a refusal to accept the use of force in any context.”
    Wrong.

    “…if you could see past your blanket intolerance of violence…”
    Ignorant and insulting tone noted. Oh yeah, on the point you were making, you’re wrong again!

    You are also wrong to equate the action in this clip with the “rule of law” and you are also wrong to suggest that I am not prepared to “ tolerate the ongoing maintenance of that situation.”

    I wasn’t going to bother responding to the naive and childish to tone of your last post, however there was a more general point I wished to make. I doubt the onlookers we hear in the clip clearly are cheering in support of some warped sense of “democracy” but even if they are, we should ask ourselves what kind of people cheer at the sight of anyone being beaten, friend or foe. You seem to be suggesting that it’s OK if one of “them” is beaten. That’s OK because “they” deserve it.

    In 2007, this clip demonstrates the same mentality which was prevalent in the 70s, 80s and 90s. It’s the same mentality which went on to justify the murder of many innocent people!

  • Rubicon

    escriva – if you’re saying that failures in policing cause violence – then I’m in agreement. Unfortunately, the focus of your comments is directed at those who fill the vacuum.

    In many ways the mob culture that characterised the street violence of the past is absent from this clip. To me, the response seemed restrained and stops once the incident is dealt with.

    The issue here seems to be one of ineffective policing. I hope the local politicians raise serious questions with the Chief Constable. The ordinary law-abiding citizen is getting sick and tired of a police force that shrugs its shoulders and offers only sympathy along with “what can we do” excuses for inaction – whether it be your car being stolen, your house being vandalised, a pensioner robbed and beaten … It’s a long list.

    Instead of criticising those who fill the vacuum why don’t you suggest alternatives? Most people would appreciate a more effective police force. The police complain about resources and rights based legislation tying their hands. The public are reluctant to trust the police without legislative regulation.

    These are the issues that lead to the events shown in the clip. Ignoring them brings about the situation you apparently abhor.

    From what I see it seems some good citizens need congratulated for having put themselves at considerable risk to stop a thug brandishing a weapon and intent on crime.

    Violence is ugly. Let the justice system sort out what exactly happened in that clip – all may not be what it seems. For the justice system to work requires a police force capable of doing its job. Wouldn’t your criticism be better focussed on that?

  • youcanrun

    escriva = whatever next

  • deardearo

    The psni didn’t respond AT ALL to this incident. Look at the events of the last 24 hours in Glasgow and London. “There is an armed man about to hijack a car on a main arterial road” imagine that call being received by any police service in the world, what would their response be? We know what the response was in this case, nil. Were they tied up with a very serious incident yet to be disclosed, the nature of which is so sensitive it cannot be divulged in the interests of NATIONAL SECURITY?!?!? Or did they think the natives of West Belfast were better equipped, and more able to deal with this situation?

  • redhaze

    bumface,

    Listen a lot of lies here are being peddled by bumface I don’t know why. I cannot believe he is one of the semi-literates who was on the scene or even one of the semi-literate family members.

    The first KO’d thug had already tried to rob goods out of the shop that evening. He and his mate (thats two on one) were ejected and threatened to come back later to ‘do the guy’ and burn the shop. Obviously the two of them hadn’t the cajones to tackle the one guy there and then.

    Himself and his brave mate having been shown the door by a solitary security man then retired behind the wall of Beechmount Leisure Centre to build up the courage to tackle this lone man.

    He also tried to break into a pensioners house on the corner before being chased away.

    Locals gathered to defend the security man seeing as the PSNI were unwilling to attend the scene for fear of having to lift one of the touts.

    When the scumbag came back later he was not gesturing to the men on the path…no the brave thug was in fact saying to all the men ‘I don’t want to fight anyone except him’. Was he offering ‘a go’ to someone a bit closer in age…no…he was offering a man in his mid-sixties to fight him…brave man bumface.

    He had the replica pistol when he was in the shop and when he threatened the women and children in the car. If you were there or if any of your mates had remained conscious then you would have known that.

    He got smacked to save any further crime, threats of, and generally the avoid annoyance to good people, which is reason enough in my book.

    By the way bumface if you know all the people involved, as you allude that you do, then you’d know that if the guy doing the smacking is met with the guy getting the smacking then it’d be more of the same i’m glad to say.

    Crawl back into your hole scumbag…hope you don’t get internet connection in your new home when you’re put out of the ‘murph.

  • Sean

    Bravo – Redhaze
    said like a true citizen

  • game on

    I think most people seem to be missing the point here… The most gignifacant aspect of this incident isn’t the failure of the police or people defending their community, it is how such action is viewed and received by the community.

    escrive hit the nail on the head, refering to it’s “entertainment value”. It’s very worrying in deed but then hey, that’s Norn Iron for you and we are the champions of the blame game!