And back to reality..

Very early days in this story and no charges have been filed yet – nor is there an indication of the extent of SOCA’s involvement – but the arrest of Brian Arthurs, described in the BBC report as a prominent republican [and as an PIRA army council member in this 2005 Times report – Ed], following a number of searches in the Armagh and Dungannon area this evening in connection with an investigation into organised crime have prompted this familiar response from Sinn Féin MLA for South Belfast Alex Maskey.. who is soon to be a member of the Policing Board

Sinn Fein policing spokesperson Alex Maskey said the PSNI operation was “unacceptable and heavy handed”. “I have this evening contacted the British government to complain about the nature of this arrest operation,” he added.

[not the Police Ombudsman? – Ed]

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  • jone

    He was scooped in connection with the Northern a couple of years ago but released without charge.

  • The Penguin

    This is the same Alex Maskey who complained in the same manner in the wake of the Robert McCartney murder.
    But then republcans are incapable of committing crime aren’t they.

  • SuperSoupy

    Aye.

    Martin Ferris as a drunk driver, you’ll never revisit once the facts fail to suit the narrative.

    Yawn.

    Biased straw clutching that ignores the multi-links when the facts don’t suit spin.

    Prepare for the post election release to be ignored and not ultra-linked.

    Transparent

  • soupy

    Am not quite sure what you are objecting to, is it that Pete has posted this up, or are you say that arresting Brian is simply a means to discredit SF in the RoI ballot run in.

    That the ‘civic police service’ you advised us all to support are now arresting senior republicans like Brian Arthur’s is of interest to us all, surly? and worthy of debate on a number of fronts, to simply dismiss this in the manner you have is not on and I will tell you why, if a man like Brian Arthurs can be lifted on a whim of this or that plod, what does that say about the liberty of an average republican whether shinner or not.

    Finally if you really believe he was lifted to muddy SFs electoral challenge in the south, then that is just about as political policing as you can get, so what the hell are you doing supporting the PSNI.

    I do not mean to have a go at you but I do find this shrugging off of events like this by SF a little lite.

  • againtthehead

    with the IRA decommsisioned, and republican movement onboard with policing, there is nothing to stop the authorites getting to grips with crime in republican areas, and taking out the big hitters.

    I’m sure there was political restraint on the police NOT to arrest certain individuals – as it would have the potential to derail the process – makes sense.

    Expect a series of ‘big busts’ and a line of republican leaders facing charges on extortion, smuggling and general racketeering. With loyalists quite rightly receiving equal treatment.

    South armagh is no longer no go, SF have opened it up.

  • GavBelfast

    Whatever happened yesterday evening, on the Ferris arrest, he admitted to drinking two pints of beer and a glass of red wine during the evening, prior to being arrested.

    I rather suspect most of us would have been arrested in such circumstances, or is it different in Kerry?

    He was below the legal limit, so rightly got off, though it hardly sets an example does it?

    As an aside, the UK and RoI should fall in line with the bulk of Europe and cut the legal limit from 80mg to 50mg – there’s no excuse.

  • So Martin Ferris is not guilty of any crime…? Maybe as many as 200 posts have been placed on that particular subject since the story initially broke and many of them assuming his guilt…

    Maybe we should adopt the same caution with this Brian Arthurs story? After all, how many people were actually convicted after the biggest and most high-profile police operation in local history? (Stormontgate…)

  • iluvni

    Could Alex Maskey’s complaint be released under ‘Freedom of Information’?
    I’d love to read it, or even better hear him ranting down the phone to someone who doesnt care..

  • sean

    “…the arrest of Brian Arthurs.., …a prominent republican.., …in connection with an investigation into organised crime…”

    Maskey (and even our own Soupy) are so sycophantically supportive of the Shinners that anything they say lacks any credibility. Their dribble should only be seen as a rallying call to their sheep like supporters who need to be given a stock response that can be used if challenged about the issue. Nobody will forget Maskey’s sickening response after the McCartney atrocity but then he’s a bomb’n’bullet Republican, the type of which that has only ever brought shame on Irish Republicanism.

  • It’s funny how such arrests of ‘republicans’ always happen to be ‘heavy-handed’ and ‘unacceptable’ in PSF’s book.

    I await the day when they describe such arrests and ‘courteous and necessary in the pursuit of justice’, but I won’t hold my breath.

    Change the record.

  • Rosebud

    As a Workers Party activist, I have absolutely no time for criminality or lawlessness.

    Sinn Fein must be condemned for engaging in this activity and should desist forthwith in the same my that my Party has done so and has moved to respetability..

    I hope that those that represent illegal organisations should suffer at the Polls next week and that the Southern electorate punish Adams and his Party for failing to leave their criminal roots behind them.
    By the Way, all the best to Pat Rabbitte next week whose latest poll figures are very encouraging.

  • Comrade Stalin

    macswiney and Soupy:

    So Martin Ferris is not guilty of any crime…? Maybe as many as 200 posts have been placed on that particular subject since the story initially broke and many of them assuming his guilt…

    Ireland and the UK have the most lax drink driving restrictions in the western world. If Ferris had been driving anywhere else, he’d have been charged. He got away with it only because we tolerate drinking and driving to a greater extent than other civilized countries. I don’t think that’s something you can claim proudly as an example of Mr Ferris’ reputation as a statesman.

    Yes he wasn’t guilty of a crime, but do you think having a few jars before driving, while legal, is a responsible thing to do ? I don’t. Who would like to bet that if Ferris had indeed been slightly over the limit that the usual suspects would be on here banging on about politically motivated policing ahead of an election.

    regarding this Arthurs arrest, let’s wait and see. It may come to nothing, but some one of these days the chuckie supporters are going to find themselves having to make some embarassing explanations. Everybody knows about the criminality of the IRA – it’s just a matter of who is willing to talk about it.

  • Timing

    Theres an election to the Dail in less than a week’s time and SF are currently at 10% in the polls – Thats what this raid is really about.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    I don’t know any of the details of this case – nor, I suspect, does anyone here.

    What I find interesting is the assumption, apparent in Pete’s blog and in some of the contributions above, that SF’s much-vaunted “support” of policing means they are supposed to be cheerleaders. I mean, Pete, what’s the purpose behind your last sentence (“Maskey, who is soon to be a member of the police board”) other than to suggest that someone who is critical of police has no business on the policing board?

    On the contrary, we want the policing board to be jam-packed with people who are highly (to use your favourite word, Pete) sceptical of police. That’s the best way to hold a public body to account.

    Has no-one here ever heard of the concept of critical support? (Or am I the only lapsed Marxist around these parts?)

  • parcifal

    Maskey is complaining about the heavy-handedness, not the actual arrest it would appear.
    Now that SF support the PSNI, why couldn’t the police have popped round on bicycles, and had a cup of tea with Brian ?
    Makes you wonder.

  • N. S. Khrushchev

    Thank God Comrade Stalin is still hanging in there.

    What ? He’s still alive ?

  • forlorn fairy

    Rosebud, a workers party activist is it you are??
    And you have no time for lawlessness or crime.
    Times have changed haven’t they?

  • IJP

    Comrade

    other civilized countries?! 🙂

  • Che Adams

    Come the glorious day comrades, Sinn Fein supporters and activists will no longer be troubled by the sinister forces of law and order.
    In the meantime, we must be strong, protest our comrade’s complete innocence, condemn the heavy handed bully boys of the PSNI and stare at small areas of walls for long periods in solidarity.

  • rosebud

    Forlorn Fairy,
    The Workers Party has no time for crime and any accusations to that effect are without any substance. The WP consists of a solid backbone of party activists and constituency advice offices established long before the Shinners followed suit.

  • sean

    The Shinners “critical support” of policing in the North is much like their support for Irish culture – shallow “agus” disingenuous. It is merely a vehicle to furthering the political objectives. It lacks conviction and is likely to change with the weather.

  • redhaze

    Rosebud,

    “As a Workers Party activist, I have absolutely no time for criminality or lawlessness.”

    Well it would appear that you are in the wrong organisation then friend.

    The OIRA and the Workers Party encompasses the biggest hooks in the game. Anyone from a Nationalist/Republican community will quite rightly laugh at that assertion.

    What about John Lowry and the WP holding a meeting in support of the Bradys in the lower Falls before the residents got wind of it and went round to confront them. Aul John didn’t know what to do. For those who do not know the Bradys, they are about the worst parasites ever to settle in the West. Put out of Iris off the Springfield, they moved into the Lower Falls to rob, torture and rape.

    And of course the WP defended them as their father at lest is a leading member of the WP.

    Filth.

  • parcifal

    Mick are you pruning? FA cup boring game 😉

  • rosebud

    Unsubstantiated nonsense, Red Haze.

    The WP in Lower Falls is pivotal in preventing anti-social behaviour within that area. From their Base in Cyprus Street, members have spent long hours discussing how to better the lives of the people of the area.
    Anti-Social Behaviour, underage drinking,illegal cigarettes, and illegal gambling. All of these issues have concentrated the minds of WP activists in recent months.
    Actions speak louder than words.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Actions speak louder than words.

    What have you been doing then ?

    There’s something that speaks louder than actions, namely votes.

  • Mick Fealty

    Yes Parci, But I’ve been the garden most of the day. 1999 was the last FA Cup final I watched, I’m afraid. Haven’t been motivated to watch it since.

  • rosebud

    A low blow, C.S.

    John Lowry had a solid vote in the last election. We are hopeful that the good work being carried out in Lower Falls may translate itself into a Council Seat next time around. Also don’t rule out Joe Bell in Pottinger, where Joe’s hard work on the ground is gaining growing support at the expense of the discredited republican grouping in the Strand.

  • Comrade Stalin

    A low blow, C.S.

    Life’s tough. If you can’t get the vote out, what credibility do you have ?

    By the way, you avoided my question. What exactly are the WP doing about underage drinking/anti-social behaviour etc ?

    John Lowry had a solid vote in the last election.

    434 votes! He was beaten by the Trot’s teenage one-shot candidate for god’s sake. Are you trying to out-do the Stoops in the self-delusion stakes ?

    We are hopeful that the good work being carried out in Lower Falls may translate itself into a Council Seat next time around.

    What good work ?

    Also don’t rule out Joe Bell in Pottinger

    107 votes! Who on earth would have the sense to rule him in ?? Are you completely nuts or what ?

  • rosebud

    CS,
    Activists in the Lower Falls are consficating drink from underage drinkers and getting rid of it for them.

    In regard to anti-social behaviour issues, we have been mediating successfully in a number of nasty neighbourhood disputes.

    You forget that smaller parties tend to attract more votes in a council election where there is a greater prospect of success compared to parliamentary and assembly elections.

    Bell in the East of the city is a good example of this where the uptake in his Advice Centre on Mountpottinger Road is consistently steady from early morning until late evening.
    Come the next Council election, everything will be in the melting pot.

  • Mary

    “Activists in the Lower Falls are consficating drink from underage drinkers and getting rid of it for them. ”

    How?

  • rosebud

    They’re disposing of the drink in a discreet and responsible fashion, Mary.

  • iluvni

    ….down their own necks after they go home, more than likely.

  • Pete Baker

    And back to the topic..

    Billy

    Your assumption is just that.. your assumption.

    The quote you reference was a point of information.. as well as, together with the final line on the Police Ombudsman, pointing to the accountability mechanisms which Sinn Féin have, supposedly, endorsed.

    The question to be considered here is what possible effect was expected from contacting the government about this arrest?

    Other than potential political interference in an ongoing police investigation, that is..

  • rosebud

    not true, iluvni.

    The alcohol is poured into sinks, actually.

    Keep sniping from the sidelines when others are out tackling the problems.

    Joe Bell has a very astute political nose for these things and the Workers Party are in with more than a sniff of a chance for the next council.

    As I said earlier, the strong community work being carried out in the Melting Pot Advice Centre is keeping our spirits up in the meantime.

  • frankie

    “Bell in the East of the city is a good example of this where the uptake in his Advice Centre on Mountpottinger Road is consistently steady from early morning until late evening.
    Come the next Council election, everything will be in the melting pot.”

    The Workers Party/Official ira are a armed criminal grouping who are up to their necks in criminality, including extortion, money lending and drugs.The illegal gains seem to be ploughed back into their latest reckets within the licensing trade.

    Joe Bell just about managed 100 votes in Pottinger during the last election, even members of his own family don’t vote for him.

    Perhaps if the workers party/official ira decommisioned its weapons and ceased their criminality they might get their total up to 150 votes next time round and lets not forget that they are still involved in punishment attaks on rival drug dealers

  • jim

    Rosebud, you sound like you should join the people’s front of judea.
    You spend long hours ‘discussing’ what to do…what do ou actually do. the stickies are the most discredited of all the groups.

  • SuperSoupy

    “Melting Pot Advice Centre”

    Heehee

  • rosebud

    You may mock but big Frank C is planning a political comeback in the Strand.

    Vote Early, Vote Often.

    Up the Hickorys.

    Re-build the Bud.

    Bring back Tax Exemption Certificates.

    BRING IT ON!!!!!

  • Comrade Stalin

    Activists in the Lower Falls are consficating drink from underage drinkers and getting rid of it for them.

    Fair play to them.

    In regard to anti-social behaviour issues, we have been mediating successfully in a number of nasty neighbourhood disputes.

    Can you tell us a bit more about this ? I have a difficult time seeing why people who refuse to support you at the polls will accept you as a mediator. Anti-social behaviour problems are something that nobody has a real answer to, but I’m sure that it’s not as simple as sitting down with people for a cup of tea. Take this business in Ballymurphy over the past few years as a case in point; there are people who are just scum who aren’t capable of living among their neighbours in a civilized manner.

    You forget that smaller parties tend to attract more votes in a council election where there is a greater prospect of success compared to parliamentary and assembly elections.

    There is no evidence whatsoever supporting this assertion. In 2005, the Worker’s Party got 304 votes in West Belfast, and 70 votes in East Belfast. In both cases, that is a worse result than they got in the Assembly election. The WP did better in both cases at the most recent Westminster vote, which suggests to me that people are using them as a throwaway protest vote on an FPTP election when the result seems like a foregone conclusion, and not voting for them when they feel they can make a difference.

    I see no reason for anyone to brace themselves for a Worker’s Party comeback, and doing a small amount of informal civilian policing work, while welcome, isn’t likely to be enough to improve your fortunes. There is absolutely no way you’re going to stop the SF steamroller in West Belfast, and your vote just isn’t there in South.

    Bell in the East of the city is a good example of this where the uptake in his Advice Centre on Mountpottinger Road is consistently steady from early morning until late evening.

    I just don’t believe you. Why are people getting advice from him, but refusing to vote for him ? He’s got 100 supporters in the area, a lot of those votes are probably transfers pretty low down on the pecking order. And where does he get the funds to staff and run an advice centre all day ?

  • Ondine

    I’m amazed – a thread dealing with the Sticks and no-one’s mentioned superdollars yet.

    Seriously, I really do find that that it’s a universal law that parties who used to be reasonably big and/or influential (the RTE cumann, the people who run Irish Labour now) will go on and on pretending that they are still big and influential, even though their present day activist base consists of three old men and a dog who spend their times reminiscing about the good old days.

  • rosebud

    I’m disapponted at the amount of begrudgery and cynicsm shown towards the efforts of the WP by the likes of Comrade Stalin. Can you not direct this towards the Shinners as you usually do?

    Why the need for the forensic detail on how we are addressing ASB in these areas? What do you do as an individual on a pro-active basis to deal with this issue in your area, CS?
    With reference to your query on how are efforts are funded in the Short Strand, funds are raised through a non-profit-making Co-Operative style Vintners enterprise, based in East Belfast.
    It must be remembered that Frank Cullen came withn a whisker of getting a council seat and we aim to regain former glories in the near future.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I’m disapponted at the amount of begrudgery and cynicsm shown towards the efforts of the WP by the likes of Comrade Stalin.

    Marxists never like it when people point out the cold hard facts. You’re trying to talk up a party that politically barely exists.

    Can you not direct this towards the Shinners as you usually do?

    Not right now, no.

    Why the need for the forensic detail on how we are addressing ASB in these areas?

    Because I don’t think you have any credibility on the matter and I want to see if there’s anything behind what you’re saying here. You’re claiming to be solving a problem that nobody else seems to be able to solve.

    With reference to your query on how are efforts are funded in the Short Strand, funds are raised through a non-profit-making Co-Operative style Vintners enterprise, based in East Belfast.

    Fair enough.

    It must be remembered that Frank Cullen came withn a whisker of getting a council seat and we aim to regain former glories in the near future.

    Frank Cullen did a fair bit better than you’re doing now in Westminster elections, but that was in the absence of any other credible republican voice in East Belfast. You don’t have the organization or the capability to make even a tiny dent in the side of Sinn Fein in the Short Strand or anywhere else.

  • UFB

    “The Workers Party has no time for crime and any accusations to that effect are without any substance”

    Perhaps you should remember that Rosebud next time you post unsubstantiated nonsense such as

    “I hope that those that represent illegal organizations should suffer at the Polls next week and that the Southern electorate punishes Adams and his Party for failing to leave their criminal roots behind them”

    “The Workers Party has no time for crime and any accusations to that effect are without any substance”

    As someone from West Belfast I find this hilarious, care to tell us what you’se did with all the weapons that weren’t decommissioned?. Surely they weren’t all used for robberys or sold to Loyalists?

    Speaking of substantiation Rosebud perhaps you’d care to elaborate on this sterling community work being carried out by Stick activists as the only time these people have been seen outside Cyprus St is when they’re standing at the front door having a smoke. They pour alcohol confiscated from under age drinkers down sinks? Aye right, why don’t they pour it down grates in front of the UA drinkers like the SNP do?.

    “The Workers Party has no time for crime”

    Of course they don’t that’s why a well known drug dealer from the lower Falls had to jump from the second floor of his Crocus St home in 2000 to escape a Stick hit squad, (they shot out the window after him), or why two sticks went into a bar on the Glen Rd in 2001, fired a shotgun blast into the ceiling and tried to kidnap a punter at pistol point before the mans wife and friends attacked the two gunmen forcing then to flee.

  • rosebud

    UFB,
    The alleged incidents you refer to are back in 2000 and 2001-says it all really.

    You’re clutching at straws inferring that WP activists are drinking the consficated alcohol. Perhaps the cigarettes you say that they are smoking outside a social club is consficated tobacco, as well?

    We remain focused on regaining political ground a prime example of which was the revival of the East Belfast Branch following an election at the Melting Post Advice Centre today.

    The Branch intends to take a pro-active approach in dealing with ASB problems in the Strand and will lead by example on this issue.

    C.S., stop hurling on the ditch and tell us what you do to make our streets safer.

  • UFB

    “The alleged incidents you refer to are back in 2000 and 2001-says it all really”

    So you don’t deny that these attacks were connected to WP members?, interesting. So much for the Workers Party having no time for crime.

    “You’re clutching at straws inferring that WP activists are drinking the consficated alcohol”

    I’m asking why it’s not policy for the Stick activists who are allegedly combatting anti social behaviour not to dispose of the confiscated alocohol there and then, could you please provide a sufficient answer to this question?.

    “We remain focused on regaining political ground a prime example of which was the revival of the East Belfast Branch following an election at the Melting Post Advice Centre today”

    Good luck – you’re going to need it.

    “C.S., stop hurling on the ditch and tell us what you do to make our streets safer”

    why don’t you tell us what the WP are doing Rosebud instead of trotting out some feeble ambiguity that they are disposing of UA confisicated liquor, (away from prying eyes of course), and while you’re at it could you also explain what happened to all those OIRA guns that were never decommissioned?.

  • Comrade Stalin

    C.S., stop hurling on the ditch and tell us what you do to make our streets safer.

    I won’t claim that I do a great deal, but I’m probably about as effective at it as you are. I think the solution to anti-social behaviour involves providing better leisure facilities as well as encouraging the police to pursue and prosecute people, rather than hanging back and blaming the sickness of society.

  • rosebud

    ‘So you don’t deny that these attacks were connected to WP members?, interesting. So much for the Workers Party having no time for crime’

    UFB,
    I view the allegations claimed by you to be unsubstantiated nonsernse as did the Police and CPS given that no charges were preferred or convictions obtained arising from these fictional events.

    You’re living in Never Never Land if you think WP activists have devised a cunning plan to et free drink by taking this off youths.

    Re. the guns issue, this is nothing to do with the WP which is a democratic political entity.

  • UFB

    “I view the allegations claimed by you to be unsubstantiated nonsernse as did the Police and CPS given that no charges were preferred or convictions obtained arising from these fictional events”

    Right so no doubt you’ll also agree that;

    “As a Workers Party activist, I have absolutely no time for criminality or lawlessness.

    Sinn Fein must be condemned for engaging in this activity and should desist forthwith in the same my that my Party has done so and has moved to respetability..”

    Is also unsubstantiated nonsense and therefore withdraw your condemnation forthwith. Unless of course you can prove that SF are involved in criminality?

    As to these ‘fictional events’ you’re either in denial or you’re a liar.

    “You’re living in Never Never Land if you think WP activists have devised a cunning plan to get free drink by taking this off youths”.

    I never claimed this, I merely asked why the supposed disposal of the alcohol wasn’t done in public,(a question incidentally that you have yet to provide an answer to).

    “Re. the guns issue, this is nothing to do with the WP which is a democratic political entity”.

    So what did WP activists who also overlapped as OIRA members do with all the guns?.

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  • redhaze

    Rosebud,

    For your info what I said is not unsubstantiated it is true. Ask your, once again hammered West Belfast candidate, John Lowry. He will confirm that the sequence of events that I have outlined is correct. Well if he is honest he will. It should be noted that this was not a private affair but a meeting held by the WP in support of the Bradys whom the WP claimed were being victimised. The community confronted them at the meeting and the WP were left to retreat to the bar at Cyprus Street with their collective tails between their legs.

    I am a resident of the Falls Road and would love for you to elaborate on what the WP has been involved in with reference to anti-social behaviour, illegal cigarettes, etc. I should clarify that I mean what have they been involved in in relation to stopping it, as we already know how they are involved in it.

    I note your comments that “From their Base in Cyprus Street, members have spent long hours discussing how to better the lives of the people of the area”. And that “Actions speak louder than words”. Do I need to spell out how these assertions contradict each other? I will. Your assertion that WP members have been spending long hours talking in their base at Cyprus Street (which is a bar by the way folks and a quite unsavoury one at that) does not equate to action. I have never experienced, witnessed, or heard of the WP engaging in any of the campaigns as outlined in your previous post. This is abolutely ludicrous.

  • rosebud

    RedHaze,
    If your story is true, why was no-one charged with any offence?

    I will restate my central point as it would appear difficult for you to absorb information at the first time of asking.

    The meetings held at Cyprus Street did translate into action. Action on ASB that I have referred to in detail in my previous posts.

    There, hope that wasn’t too difficult. Now go and have a wee lie down and we’ll see how you go.

  • UFB

    Rosebud, Is the irony that your allegations that Stick activists in the Lower Falls are active in combating ASB, in the absence of any proof, [which you have consistently been asked for and equally consistently failed to provide], amount to nothing but unsubstantiated nonsense, [your favourite phrase?], lost on you?.

    I’m going to be at risk of repeating myself here:

    Do you agree that SF, as a party, are in involved in criminality and:

    “Must be condemned for engaging in this activity and should desist forthwith in the same my that my Party has done so and has moved to respectability..”

    Is total and utter bullshit in that:

    “ I view the allegations claimed by you to be unsubstantiated nonsense as did the Police and CPS given that no charges were preferred or convictions obtained arising from these fictional events”?

    Secondly, Can you explain why the policy of Stick activists allegedly combating ASB is to ‘responsibly dispose’ of the confiscated alcohol in private rather than in public?. Surely it’s easier in practical terms to pour the drink down the nearest grate rather than humping all those tins & bottles back to some house/ club/ party to pour them down a sink?.

    If you can explain please do, if not why?

    Thirdly do you disagree that a sizeable amount of WP members overlapped as OIRA members? If so could you answer my question as to what happened to all those guns that weren’t decommissioned?.

    No more equivocation, no more evasiveness a simple yes or no will suffice for each question followed by a short qualification as to why you believe your answer to be true.

  • rosebud

    UFB, It is difficult to wade through the messy morass that is your meandering ramblings. Your tortuous whaffle is straight from the Garth Crooks’ school of succint questions.

    Nonetheless, I will be patient of you and try my best to decipher and then extract your purported questions from your directionless diatribe.

    1) Err no sorry….

    2) Was it B) Red Rum?

    3) Anne of Cleaves.

  • UFB

    What does the above posting mean Rosebud,

    (I of course appreciate that this is new ground for you as the Sticks have never been subjected to this kind of questioning surrounding their nefarious past/present activities before).

    Does it mean that you can’t substantiate the veracity of your claims and therfore can’t answer my perfectly straightforward questions or are you reading that drivel from a past Workers Part manifesto?

  • rosebud

    Watch out for the feature on BBC Newsline this evening on ASB issues in the Short Strand and the formation of a new WP Branch designed to work to combat this problem.

  • UFB

    “And the formation of a new WP Branch designed to work to combat this problem”

    By allegedly disposing of confiscated alcohol discretely VERY discretely?.