Paisley: I’m sticking out till the end…

Having lent his imprimatur for the signing of the deal, it looks like Ian Paisley senior is planning to see the First Minister’s job through (what most hope will be) the first full parliamentary session of the Legislative Assembly [Pssttt, didn’t Tony Blair say something like that in 2005? – ed] As if to prove this deal is not a flash in the pan, he and Martin McGuinness have issued a statement on the slaughter of students at Virginia Tech yesterday. Changed utterly?

UPdate: Chris has his own take on what it means…

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  • Genuine Snapshot

    Gosh, *that’ll* cheer the grieving relatives up no end: Martin McGuinness [Who he? Amer. Ed.] has a downer, at the moment, on murder.

  • Nicholas Gallagher

    Yaaaawn! (Genuine Snapshots contribution to this world, not the other matter).

    ..and just to knock it on the head early for all the information flat earthers who might want to rear their head forwading the protestant genocide/sociopathic murderer agenda: It was noted on Peter Taylors’ series that, actually, no civilian was killed during IRA operations whilst McGuinness was believed to be in command or vice-command of the Derry IRA.

    Still, I’m sure there will be some still wanting to shave the edges of that square peg to make it fit.

  • Richard James

    “It was noted on Peter Taylors’ series that, actually, no civilian was killed during IRA operations whilst McGuinness was believed to be in command or vice-command of the Derry IRA.”

    So the people of Claudy were ‘legitimate’ targets?

  • Genuine Snapshot

    “No civilian was killed during IRA operations” – true fact! During Claudy, for example, Martin was helping orphaned protestant kittens get all snuggly in the sock drawer. Give us break Nick – even you, not so very deep down, know that Martin McGuinness is a murdering monster. It’s after all why you have to leap so weirdly to his defence (“McGuinness was believed . . .” – do tell us what else you believe, it’s been a long time since I heard a real X Filer in operation). I mean, if he was an innocent man and everyone knew him to be, why waste your time typing such nonsense?

  • smcgiff

    ‘I mean, if he was an innocent man and everyone knew him to be, why waste your time typing such nonsense?’

    I’ve no idea as to the validity of Nicolas’ assertion, but the above is a very weak argument.

  • Resolve

    Great – so now we have inevitable senility added to the list of qualities posessed by our soon to be First Minister (others include Intransigence and Religious Fundamentalism) . . .

    But for his recently conciliatory tone, an outsider may think we’re a bunch of nutters for voting him in! As it happens, i’m quite excited 😉

  • overhere

    Nick I wonder what the odds are that if you posted a string on here to the efect that “Garden gnome kocked over in Malone Road garden” that somehow or other certain contributors will somehow manged to turn the whole thing around to an attack on the “shinners”

  • NickyG

    My usual mom de slugger is NickyG: don’t know why I entered my full name!

    Anyway, I’m only the messenegr guys. If I remember correctly, it was a British forces source, too. As regards when McGuinness was beleived to have been in command, the British only have rough guesstimate as to time span, so I’d say that is why that verbage was used in portraying the comment by either Taylor or his source. That it’s not the message you’ve been primed to hear is perhaps something you should look at yourself.

    Perhaps take a look on another thread at the latest agenda the Belfast Telegraph is foisting, then put 2+2 together with regards the outworkings of propaganda.

    On a recent visit to S Africa David Cameron recently (though probably for pure selfish electoral purposes) abandoned the flat earth approach the right wing press and his Government took during Apartheid in branding Mandela a terrorist (Bernard Ingram quote: anyone who believes the ANC “terrorists” could soon partake in Govt of S Africa “living in cloud cuckoo land”). I await the groundswell in the North when hindsight and progress throws our propaganda war in to sharp relief.

    Even Paisley is now ahead of the flat earthers who propagate their tired old mantras in blogs and letters pages, and for the sake of my children i’m glad that it is statements like the OFDFM one which are being issued jointly to the world, rather than those.

  • Skintown Lad

    i’m afraid don’t understand much of your post NickyG, but if you are suggesting that McGuinness had no involvement at all in the killings of civilians, then your position is far removed from common belief

  • damages good

    Wow, you must have deep pockets Mr Gaskin. That last slur on your blog is as clear cut a libel as anyone who was target of it could want.

  • NickyG

    Well, perhaps that’s my point, eh?

    Listen it’s not me saying it, mate. It was an independant series. As I say, if memory serves it was a grudgingly respecting British source whose analysis was being quoted.

    Common belief? Objective reality not being the same as the “common belief?”.

    How on earth could this have happened?

    Look under P for propaganda, and W for war.

  • Gum

    How on earth is this relevant guys?

  • overhere

    My point exactly Gum see no 7

  • Richard James

    Nicky G, you made a ludicrous claim that anyone who believed McGuinness was involved in the murder of civilians was a ‘flat earther’. So drop the pathetic attempts to worm your way out of this by blaming Taylor or his source.

    Now do you think little girls washing shop windows are ‘legitimate’ targets or does your claim McGuinness wasn’t involved in murdering civilians belong under ‘P’ for propoganda?

  • jake

    it is on occasions like this mr fealty that you can’t help showing your chuckie slip – you have a policy of playing the ball not the man yet you provide a link to a provo blog that clearly plays only the man

  • NickyG

    Richard,

    Ok, Ok. McGuinness killed civilians. He killed civilians because he thought it would be advantageous to him. In fact he killed them because he liked it. He was a murderer. A child killer. A killer of Protestant children. He is evil.

    ..or not.

    Listen, your phraseology “my hiding behind” a quote… ????

    If you want to go check out the voracity of it, be my guest. My initial attempts at confirming it for you seem to point in one direction only. For example, a ranting blog by “Travelling Ulsterman” attempting to show in great detail how bad McGuinness was through a selecive chronology of Derry IRA operations. Even he only got as close to mentioning a 1981 incident of civilian deaths as regards McGuinness, which is after his dint as Derry Adjutant, and in any case, after the restructuring of the IRA into ASU’s, each with operations autonomy.

    So, escuse me, but I think I’ll carry on in my reality which I base upon all the facts available to me.

    You can keep on living in yours, apparently fostered by The “Freddie Starr ate my Hamster” Sun or The Daily “Romanian gypsies are eating our kids food” Mail.

    P for Propaganda, indeed.

  • Michael Shilliday

    Think it’s a little ott to accuse anyone of bias in linking!

    Little Miss Gaskin is showing his juvenile enthusiasm a bit though isn’t he?

  • NickyG

    Apologies that someone else’s ignorance requires vulgarity as a reposte: South Derry Brigade is accused of carring out that attack in 1972, to alleviate Operation Motorman in Derry, 12 died I believe.

    I’m sure the more nuanced amongst us will all have read about the subsidiary matters of the Priest and the broken phone etc.

  • Wow, you must have deep pockets Mr Gaskin

    The pockets in my Levis are as deep as anyone elses

    That last slur on your blog is as clear cut a libel as anyone who was target of it could want.

    I don’t know what you are on about, there are no slurs on my blog against anyone.

    The Punt did invade Clontibret with his rabble of reprobates, he was charged and convicted of such, and he was in Ulster Resistance.

    I suggest you do a bit more reading on libel law.

    I would suggest you start with the Reynolds case

    it is on occasions like this mr fealty that you can’t help showing your chuckie slip

    LOL, You have been accused of being anti-Republican in the past and now you are accused of being a Chuckie.

    You must have multiple personality disorder Mick 😉

    you provide a link to a provo blog that clearly plays only the man

    Balrog is not a “provo blog” and I did not play the man.

    Little Miss Gaskin is showing his juvenile enthusiasm a bit though isn’t he?

    Ahhhhh, poor Michael! Seems your last legal tangle with the Punt has left you a little reticent