Ireland in the Super Eight

The Pakistan cricket team, featuring Inzamam-ul-haq in his final one day international appearance, posted a formidable target of 349 all out from 49.5 overs in difficult circumstances. The Zimbabwe team never looked like getting close and, after a rain delay, with a revised target of 193 from 20 overs saw wickets tumble as they struggled to reach 99 all out from 19.1 overs. The end result is that West Indies and Ireland are guaranteed to progress to the next round, the Super Eight, before willow strikes leather on Friday. WOO-HOO! Ireland go through to the Super Eights! A remarkable achievement by the Irish team. There is a cloud to match the silver lining, however, with the confirmation from the Irish Cricket Union of the sudden death of former President and Chairman, Bob Kerr, 68, at his hotel in Ocho Rios in Jamaica, where he was supporting Ireland at the World Cup.

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  • Henry94

    Top four in Rugby, top eight in Cricket for all-Ireland teams.

  • Donnacha

    Henry, there could be a message in that, d’you think?

  • Belfastwhite

    Yeah we are currently better at rugby than at cricket>:0P

  • Doctor Who

    Well done Ireland, although with the death of first Bob Woolmer and now Bob Kerr has put a dampner on things. My deepest sympathies to their respective families.

    The residency rules have helped our cause a great deal, particularly after Joyce understandably chose to play for England…people who criticise this should remember Cricket and Football are completely different and selection policies for Cricket enable overseas professionals to progress in the country of residence.

    Hope the team puts up a good show against the West Indies, just to give the other nations something to think about in the Super 8´s.

    The fans out there seem to be having a ball and it was very pleasing to see as many Northern Ireland flags and St. Patrick crosses being flown as Irish tri colours. In Europe UEFA have already recognised the GAWA as the best fans on the continent, maybe we will now recive the world crown in Cricket.

  • slug

    Well done Ireland!

    Its amazing to be in the SUPER 8 !

  • Blarney Army Cadet

    Is it now a straight knockout competition, or a round robin format?

  • Pete Baker

    BAC

    It’s an adjusted league.

    All Super Eight qualifying teams play one game against each of the rest – apart from the team from their initial group, the potential match points of that game are gifted to the higher qualifer from the first round.

    After that the top four on points play semis and final.

  • Blarney Army Cadet

    Thank you Pete.
    I must get you to explain the Duckworth-Lewis scoring method some sunny day!

  • Pete Baker

    You might be better off asking someone else about that, BAC. ;o)

    And I’m not entirely sure that I’ve accurately described all aspects of the next round – there’s a possibility that the match-up in the initial group decides who gets the carry-over points to the Super Eight league.

  • arnie

    “In Europe UEFA have already recognised the GAWA as the best fans on the continent”

    They actually won an award from Brussels city council which is awarded to fans that have managed to reduce the facist,racist or sectarian attitudes of supporters.

    Hardly an honour !!

    A bit like the Nazi scientists being awarded an honour in 1955 for their contribution to American space exploration.

  • Pete Baker

    BAC

    Someone else has described the methodology of the calculation by that pair of Cambridge University statisticians, otherwise known as the Duckworth-Lewis method.

    Not sure if it helps much..

  • Doctor Who

    Arnie

    “They actually won an award from Brussels city council which is awarded to fans that have managed to reduce the facist,racist or sectarian attitudes of supporters.”

    Oh dear you really are stupid…The many Brussels International awards are given for arts, politics and community projects, never heard of one for reducing fascism though. Perhaps you should look these things up first and then you might know what your talking about. I have provided a link from UEFA for that purpose.

    http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=4/newsid=448323.html

    How you managed to get from a football supporters award to nazi´s and space programmes is baffling and takes leaps of imagination which you have certainly shown.

    I take it I won´t see you in Leichtenstein with the reat of the “reduced fascists”. GAWA…GAWA…GAWA.

  • Blarney Army Cadet

    It makes good sense, Pete. Sure beats the d’Hondt methodology!

  • IJP

    It really is very depressing that not a single Nationalist has even the grace to recognise publicly the outstanding progress that has been achieved by the IFA Community Relations unit over the past five years or so.

  • Realist

    “It really is very depressing that not a single Nationalist has even the grace to recognise publicly the outstanding progress that has been achieved by the IFA Community Relations unit over the past five years or so.”

    I believe Neil Lennon has.

    Good luck to Ireland in the cricket – what they have acheived so far has been magnificant.

    As someone said, beating Pakistan was our “Gerry Armstrong moment”.

    They’ve done the island proud.

  • against the head

    there so green (with envy)IJP

  • well done Ireland, this result means another month in the competition at least!

  • esmereldavillalobos

    Pete

    Your second explanation of the points carry over to the super 8’s is correct – of the two qualifiers from each group it is the winner of the match that they played together in the group stage that carries the points through. For example if New Zealand and England go through, New Zealand won that group game and start the super 8’s with 2 points while England have 0. There could theoretically be a scenario whereby the team finishing second in the group could start with 2 points in the super 8’s and the team finishing first has 0 but it’s unlikely 😉

    Ireland’s game with WI is effectively a super 8 game as the group is decided, the only thing left is 2 points for the next stage.

    It’s a modified league system to stop teams meeting twice before the semis.

    I think there could be another shock or two from this Irish side yet, especially if Bangladesh (and England) qualify…

  • The World’s Gone Mad

    arnie – godwin’s law – either come up with a different analogy or shut the fuck up.

    Pete – ‘there’s a possibility that the match-up in the initial group decides who gets the carry-over points to the Super Eight league’
    This is the case – the two teams that go forward to the Super8 take the points they got in the match that they played each other.

    The dates to watch out for in the Super8 are as follows, assuming Ireland finish 2nd in their group (if that’s not overly negative):

    March, Tue 27 – against either Australia (the Champions and most successful cricketing nation of the last 20 years) or South Africa (currently ranked number one in the world in One-Dayers)

    April, Tue 10 – again, against either AU or SA

    April, Sat 21 – the big one! If England squeeze past Kenya, the very last game of the Super8s will pit Ed Joyce, Freddie Flintoff and Kevin Pieterson against the best of Ireland/NSW/Joburg. Could it be a decider for the semi-finals?

  • mnob

    “Henry, there could be a message in that, d’you think? ”

    Well yes Donnacha – the bigger pool of potential players you have to represent your ‘country’ the better odds you have of doing well – time for a UK team, or a Europe team ?

    Or are you pointing out that two teams formed before the ROI leaving the union doign well prove the folly of the Republican experiment ?

  • The World’s Gone Mad

    “Henry, there could be a message in that, d’you think? “

    About as much message as the, ahem, success of the various all-Ireland bodies that now take part in the Olympics – how many medals did they win again?

  • CW

    Slightly off the direct topic in question here, but can anyone shed any light on why the North Tyrone/North Derry area became such a cricketing stronghold? Clubs like Strabane, Sion Mills, Donemana, Eglinton, Limavady, etc have a long traditon of cricket which seems to have developed in relative isolation from Ireland’s other 2 cricketing strongholds – Greater Belfast and Greater Dublin.
    I grew up in Omagh where cricket is virutally non-existent (as far as I know anyway), but just 20 miles up the road in Strabane, it was always quite a popular game and is also as far as I know played by both communities. If anyone can expand on this it would be much appreciated.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    And North County Dublin seems to be similar – what’s the story there?

  • DK

    “I grew up in Omagh where cricket is virutally non-existent (as far as I know anyway), but just 20 miles up the road in Strabane, it was always quite a popular game and is also as far as I know played by both communities. If anyone can expand on this it would be much appreciated.”

    I know someone who is catholic from strabane and he said that cricket was a big game there for both communities, although GAA was making inroads.

  • Michael Robinson

    “can anyone shed any light on why the North Tyrone/North Derry area became such a cricketing stronghold?”

    I stand to be corrected but I think it may be something to do with the linen industry. The mills needed an area to dry the cloth and the greens used for this were suitable for playing cricket. Presumeably the game was introduced by English mill owners or other staff.

    I think same happened in other small towns such as Laurelvale and Donacloney in Armagh and Down.

  • Doctor Who

    Michael Robinson.

    You are quite right, I can´t find anything on line about it, but I do have some literature I will try to hoke out.

    It seems that the North Derry, North Tyrone, North Armagh, West Down and greater Belfast are the Northern Cricket centres…a lot of the towns in these areas have strong connections with the linen industry. I know for sure that Waringstown´s association with cricket comes from Captain Thomas Waring and the Henning brothers, John and George, who opened the linen factory of John Henning & Co. in the village in the 1840´s.

    Belfast´s Botanic Gardens is also heavily associated with cricket and I´m sure that I read somewhere that the Linen factories from the Greater Belfast / Lurgan / Armagh areas would meet there for competition once every year in the 1850´s.

    If you look up Waringstown Cricket Club on line there is a little bit of the club history. Of course they have Kyle McCallan in the Ireland World Cup squad.

    Hopfully the exceptional performance of the Ireland Cricket team will boost the image of the sport in Northern Ireland and encourage more to play or watch.