Hain makes the Sun…

Eeek… obviously everything the Secretary of State is doing at the moment is being interpreted through a different prism in London…

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  • Pete Baker

    Ouch.

  • Aaron McDaid

    Why should Hain support anyone other than Ireland when playing England?

    I suppose the Sun thinks that if the Secretary of State for Wales were to attend a Wales vs England match, then he should support England? Ludicrous.

    I suppose the only explanation is that the Sun accept that the UK should no longer control any part of Ireland?

  • Pete Baker

    btw Mick

    A different prism? ;op

  • What a wonderful way for Peter “Time to go” Hain to spend his 57th birthday.

    Happy Birthday Peter, who normally gets kissed before he gets fecked.

  • Pete Baker

    And I forgot to send a card…

    My bad.

  • shamo

    “A SIMILAR IRA MASSACRE” – Jesus Christ.
    To parallel a calculated butchering of football fans with the military sucesses of Michael Collins typifies the attitude of chauvinistic British editors, who trumpet working class kids out to war from the safe distance of comfortable desks. This is exactly why Hain should make an apology – because if he doesn’t there are many in Britain who will still justify the massacre of Irish civilians as some sort of disproportionate, but perhaps necessary, disciplining of natives.

  • Michael Robinson

    [i]Some breaking news on this…[/i]

    RTE News 15th February 2007 18.02PM

    British & Irish Governments Plan Ceremony in Croke Park
    Northern Ireland Minister Peter Hain has announced details of a joint ceremony before Irelands crunch game against England in Croke Park on the 24th February.

    The significance of the game is not lost on GAA followers and republicans who remember the infamous shooting of 14 players and supporters by the British Army on the 21st November 1921.

    However according to GAA spokesman Ulick Magee a plan being devised by the GAA and the Northern Ireland office, will attempt to draw a line under the incident.

    “We’ve spoken to the British government and they understand the significance of the event back in 1921. Back then 14 people were killed by British forces so in the spirit of the peace process and friendship we’re proposing that we shoot 14 of their lot before the match. Then maybe have fireworks afterwards or something.” Said Mr Magee.

    Government Reaction
    The plan has had a mixed reaction from Downing Street. Prime Minister Tony Blair thinks the idea has merit but said that it needs to be done properly and with dignity.

    “Frankly I think its a small price to pay for progression in Anglo-Irish affairs, but I think the idea of getting Ray Houghton to do the shooting would be too much for many English fans to take particularly after his goal against us back in 1988. And he’s Scottish which is worse.”

    Proposed Victims
    According to informed sources, the GAA and Number 10 have already drawn up a list of names for those to be shot. The list, which is not yet agreed, is thought to be a compromise of people that both the Irish and English public dislike. Among the names are moaney-hole singer James Blunt, foul mouth idiot Jade Goody, Trinny & Suzannah, Man Utd donkey Rio Ferdinand, cream cake expert Vanessa Feltz, “comedian” Russell Brand and any of the blokes who do outside broadcasts for Sky News.

    But discussions took an ironic twist when both sides agreed on shooting Belfast singer Brian Kennedy, but neither side agreed on what nationality he was. GAA representatives claim he’s British with their Foreign Office counterparts claiming he’s Irish. The Irish claimed no Irishman should sing or dance in such a manner and the English saying he couldn’t be a Brit because he had no tattoos on his forearm and didn’t wear Ben Sherman shirts. However there was eventual consensus that he should be shot regardless of his nationality.

    Plans agreed
    The shooting will be carried out my members of the 2nd Infantry Battalion from Cathal Brugha Barracks in Dublin. The original idea to get the FCA to carry out the executions were dropped when they revealed that their rifles are in fact made of baked-plastercine. Similarly the Garda Emergency Response Unit was discounted for fear they’d shoot more innocent civilians then claim overtime for it.

  • Oranges for Sale

    Shamo
    ‘To parallel a calculated butchering of football fans with the military sucesses of Michael Collins’

    So murder is fine as long as its being committed in the name of Irish independance? Listen son, I’ve been hearing this bullsh*t all my life, usually from the likes of ‘Big Gerry & Co’ a few days after an IRA murder spree. I could score a cheap shot by demanding that Bertie Ahern apologise to the people of Ulster (and the rest of the UK for that matter) for the likes of the IRA and INLA etc, but I’ll choose not to….

  • shamo

    Orangesforsale,
    “So murder is fine as long as its being committed in the name of Irish independance?”

    The assassination of MI5 operatives who saw themselves as combatants in a foreign country, against a foreign army, is hardly comparable to the butchery of civilians watching and playing a football match. Soldiers willingly partake of war.

    “Listen son, I’ve been hearing this bullsh*t all my life, usually from the likes of ‘Big Gerry & Co’ a few days after an IRA murder spree.”

    Indeed, but the whole world (India, USA, Nigeria, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Argentina, South Africa, Pakistan, Iraq, Ireland … etc.) has been listening to The Butcher’s Apron tell us how murdering civilians en masse is acceptable when it’s done by “Our Boys” (the BA).

    “I could score a cheap shot by demanding that Bertie Ahern apologise to the people of Ulster (and the rest of the UK for that matter) for the likes of the IRA and INLA etc, but I’ll choose not to….”

    The only government that can apologise for the emergence of the IRA or INLA is the British Government.

    If Carlsberg made unionists, they’d have read their history…

  • nickyg

    Read the usual drivel above the “Croke Joke” opinion.

    I didn’t hear them being so lenient if IRA bombs unintentiionlly killed civilians in the so-called “fog of war”

  • Yokel

    There will probably be some kind of ‘ceremony’ but it’ll be very quiet. Hain has just put his foot in it, again……….The Sun has it in for that guy in a big way. Expect him to get Prescott-like treatment. Whether he gets the job or not there are sections of the media who will have him labelled as a first rate arsehole in the eyes of the public before he even starts.

    More worringly for Ireland I can imagine how happy the England Rugby team might feel at the sense of being dragged into something. They may well be sorely pissed off and that isn’t helpful if you want a result for those in green in wehat could be a tight match as it is.

  • Yokel

    Forgot to mention that this is the 2nd time Hain has felt the wrath of The Sun this week. He was caned earlier this week too and variously described as ‘Perma-tanned’ and ‘any badwagon going, he’s on it’.

    Chestnuts on an open fire come to mind.

    My typing gets better after a few beers..

  • Diluted Orange

    Shamo,

    Listen to yourself,

    [i]”The assassination of MI5 operatives who saw themselves as combatants in a foreign country, against a foreign army, is hardly comparable to the butchery of civilians watching and playing a football match. Soldiers willingly partake of war.”[/i]

    At the time Ireland was not a foreign country and the M15 officers in question would certainly have not seen the IRA as it was then as a legitimate foreign army.

    No-one’s trying to excuse the despicable actions of the British in gunning down innocents but to dismiss the revenge factor just because you see the similar actions of the IRA in killing other human beings as somehow justified beggars belief. But then that’s always been the problem with Republicans: they can always point the finger, or the gun, but never at themselves.

    Tell me again why I and other Unionists should even consider wanting to become part of your fabulous United Ireland?

  • Aaron McDaid

    Diluted Orange,

    “No-one’s trying to excuse the despicable actions of the British in gunning down innocents”

    Unfortunately I think there are a small number of people who aren’t as forthright as yourself. But anyway …

    … but to dismiss the revenge factor

    I dismiss the revenge factor outright. Killing gaelic football fans in revenge for IRA actions makes about as much sense as killing cricket fans for IRA actions. i.e. None. I suspect you agree.

    just because you see the similar actions of the IRA … as being justified

    I don’t see anything in shamo’s comments which justifies the IRA. Maybe shamo is anti-IRA and anti-British Army? If the British government stokes up sectarian strife it has 100% responsibility alongside the people who did the killing. Or put another way, the gangland crime boss who orders a killing is just as guilty as the person who pulls the trigger. But even if shamo is trying to justify the IRA …

    If some, or even all, IRA supporters are hypocritical that’s their problem and is no excuse for the UK to avoid an apology to the Irish people for the Croke Park killings.

    Tell me again why I and other Unionists should even consider wanting to become part of your fabulous United Ireland?” [My emphasis]

    The crucial word is ‘your’ – A UI is what we make of it, not just what shamo makes of it. A UI would belong to all of us. There are 32 counties in Ireland, and the majority of Nationalists in NI and in the RoI were against killing non-combatants. If/when the United Ireland bandwagon gets rolling, it’ll be bigger than any of us and any political party or military organisation. So if you don’t want to deal with sectarian republicans, work with the non-sectarian republicans instead.

    PS: Diluted Orange and I probably agree to a large extent, I’m just overanalysing the issue!

  • shamo

    Aaron, I agree with most of what you say. As a republican who supports the actions of those who fought the War of Independence I have a very different opinion from our unionist friend. However, you have highlighted points for probable agreement: that it is wrong to kill non-combatants and perticularly inexcusable to do so deliberately – thus I would support the actions of the British, for instance, against Natzi German troops, but not the vengeful bombing of Dresden; equally, I think any kind of agreed construct on the future of this island should be one that can command the support of the preponderance of its citizens, including those of the British tradition whose rights, religion and traditions should be cherished and celebrated. The Croke Park massacre, and other such instances of British Army and Government cruelty must be severed from that tradition, just as republicans must recognise and eschew the wrongs of their military struggle. To move forward one must first find common ground. This is an ideological and not a sectarian argument.