Princes not to attend Croker international…

Apparently, Prince’s Harry and William are great fans of English rugby, and follow them all over the world. But, as the Belfast Telegraph reports, they will not be coming to Dublin for the big England match. Other committments have been cited, but Ashleigh Wallace speculates that their attendance looked likely to spark a major controversy.

, ,

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    Part of me says that the only Prince welcome in Croke Park is Bonnie Prince Charlie of Sé Mo Laoch fame. But I have no problem fundamentally with Harry and William Windsor attending any game they want. They should really forego the mindless neanderthals of rugby and come for a game of GAA, football or hurling, instead.

  • Mick Fealty

    That would be a cool move actually Oilibhear… but some of us appreciate sporting grace, style and commitment across the board… 😉

  • Cromwell

    They could come & watch two dogs fighting over a bone. Sorry, that is Gaelic football.
    Mind you, could be worse, they could’ve been up the Suffolk Road watching The Glens on Saturday.

  • Nevin

    “some of us appreciate sporting grace, style and commitment”

    Erica Roe? 😉

  • Why shouldnt they attend Croker?

    Maybe if Tony Blair isnt in custody then we could have some statement of contrition over what happened in Croke Park on Bloody Sunday.

    The English rugby fans are welcome in Croker as are their fans as are their royals.
    Hopefully their team stands by the red carpet this time though.

    Respect is a two way street.

  • GrassyNoel

    I think it’s a bit of a joke, and I still think there’s going to be considerable embarrassment for Ireland and the GAA when this admittedly fantastic stadium is unveiled to a wider sporting audience.

    Picture the scene: Rugby fans all over the world wondering where the hell we’ve been keeping this fantastic sporting arena hidden for the last 50 years, and why haven’t we always played our home rugby international fixtures there.

    How are we going to answer that question diplomatically? has anyone thought about this? Is the situation replicated anywhere in the world between 2 countries which were former colony and colonial power?

  • George

    GrassyNoel,

    I think the question they will be asking is how an amateur and voluntary sporting organisation can manage to build a stadium like this while rugby and soccer, supposedly professional bodies, are still in the dark ages.

    I suppose another thing they will say is that they didn’t realise that rugby and soccer weren’t the main sports in Ireland.

  • brendan,belfast

    Grassynoel

    you clown. we might start to answer by saying that for the most part of the last 50 years you mention, Croke park was not the magnificent stadiumit is now. the new Croke began to take shape in the mid 90’s – remember the period when the ‘professional’ FAI and IRFU couldn’t make up their minds about Bertiebowl etc??

    I would say the GAA will welcome all questions asked 0 because for years they have had all the answers.

  • lib2016

    The Royal Family don’t really do the diplomacy thing as Daddy showed at Amritsar a few years ago. Wise decision for them to stay away though it would be a nice gesture if someone a bit more responsible, say the Ambassador, could be publicly welcomed to another less sensitive match by the President in the near future.

    Maybe he could even just quietly appear beside either her or Bertie at this match.

  • congal claen

    Hi George,

    “I think the question they will be asking is how an amateur and voluntary sporting organisation can manage to build a stadium like this while rugby and soccer, supposedly professional bodies, are still in the dark ages.”

    That’s simple. Sectarianism. The same reason Glasgow has 2 football teams that can compete on the European stage. Without sectarianism Rangers/Celtic would have the success of the other Scottish teams. Even there, the more successful tend to have a certain amount of sectarianism.

    The same is true for the GAA. Take away the sectarian, tribal element and you’re left with a crap game that no one other than immigrant Irish play anywhere in the world. It’s the same reason we have loads of world class flute bands. Thing is, no one else cares…

  • GrassyNoel

    As a proud Kerryman I have been to Croke Park many, many times in the last decade Brendan, and I’m very familiar with its history. I was merely trying to verbalise what dumbstruck foreign rugby supporters all over the world will probably be thinking when they see the stadium for the first time.

    I imagine it follows that they will be somewhat curious about where this huge modern stadium suddenly popped up out of, when everyone knows that Ireland is a disorganised little post-colonial backwater which holds its international games in a crumbling arena which is lucky to be still standing,i.e. Lansdowne Road. In fact I genuinely think the IRFU and FAI deliberately invoked the quaintness of the stadium as part of its appeal for years just so they wouldn’t be shown up for being the tight-fisted b*stards they are in not shelling ouot for a new one sooner.

    And no matter what we think of how right the GAA were/are to be so pig-headed about this issue for so long and how proud we are to be ‘showing it off’, at the end of the day it’s just another stadium, nothing to get too high up on our horses about. That’s the thing – we trumpet it as a’fantastic achievement’ that a ‘wee little country like ourselves’ and an ‘amateur organisation like the GAA’ could produce such a ‘marvel of modern engineering’. But it isn’t really. It’s a fine stadium and one to be proud of, for sure, but Portugal built 6 stadia of comparable size in the space of a decade when preparing for Euro 2004. The Koreans built 10 stadia in preparation for the 02 World Cup. And you don’t hear them gloating and bleating on about it the way people here keep going on and on and on and ON about Croke Park.

    Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love going to Croker, even when watching Kerry lose there’s always a great atmosphere. But I think when the questions are put as to why we never allowed soccer or Rugby to be played in Croke Park before 2007, and when the international media hear the answers, I think there will be a few people around the world scratching their noggins and thinking ‘those Irish…what a bunch of die-hard, hate-filled, unforgiving, cultural fundamentalist Nutters’. Maybe I’m wrong. I hope I am, but the thing is those that do think that probably won’t say so publicly, they’ll probably just smile, give us a patronising wink, nod, two thumbs up and a little pat on the head to let us know how us little Paddies and Micks have surprised everyone by being able to build ONE big stadium and then soend the next decades congratulating ourselves for it.

    The fact that so many people in the GAA still begrudge the staging of International games in a stadium that ALL the people of Ireland – not just the cultural elitist gaeilgeoirs and their ilk – paid for, almost 100 years after the famous Bloody Sunday incident, is a bit much in my opinion. Were the Irish soccer team ever banned from playing at Wembley during the troubles, despite the blowing to bits of innocent people in cities all over England? Did France ever ban Germany from playing in their main stadium? Did Holland, or Poland?

    I’m very proud of Croke Park. But I still cringe when I think about the drama and histrionics that had to be gone through to get to this point. And of course now in today’s PC age, they try to dress up the argument as competition betweeen the various sports for audience share. Let’s cut the crap. No-one who knows anything about the GAA and the kind of people who run it buys into that nonsense.

    This country really, really needs to grow up and realise that no matter how rich we get, no matter how many cranes dot the skyline, no matter how ‘cool’ and ‘trendy’ we think our cultural background is, we’re not the centre of the universe. And we never will be.

  • “I think the question they will be asking is how an amateur and voluntary sporting organisation can manage to build a stadium like this while rugby and soccer, supposedly professional bodies, are still in the dark ages.”

    Rugby and soccer in Ireland can’t compete in terms of professionalism in comparison with the GAA. The FAI couldn’t run a pi$$ in a brewery as proven in Saipan. The IFA are worse and their league and Windsor Pk is riddled with sectarianism. The IRFU which previously prided themselves with being the elite, haven’t kept up with the changing times, hence the need to develop Landsdowne although there’s no temp substitute other than Croker. Less schools in RoI play ‘egg chasing’ than ever before despite the RTE time & sports pages devoted to the game. The injuries suffered by the young players (in comparison to GAA injuries) won’t encourage mothers to allow their little Jonny’s to take up the game.

    The Celtic club were light years ahead in recognizing that there was sectarianism and promoted Bhoys Against Bigoty (maybe 10 years ago) well before sectarianism was spoken of in the Scot media. Their cross town opposition have only recently acknowledged the institutionalized racism / bigoty thro’out their organization. Knowing the two clubs it’s easy to see one’s progressive and embraced by the UEFA while the other is shunned as being the dregs of the bad ol’ days of soccer hooliganism. To describe this as a case of 50/50 sectarianism is laughable.

    “…the GAA. Take away the sectarian, tribal element and you’re left with …”
    The GAA, like all things intrinsically Irish, has always suffered under British oppression be it from 1884 thro to RoI independence and likewise in The Failed Entity until recent years. It’s ironic, and sad, that ‘congal claen’ should think that the GAA is to blame for the being the subject of disgraceful actions of Dublin Castle or Stormont.
    Sam Maguire, back then & Jack Boothman in the last decades were Protestant. Presently there are inter county players in Donegal and Leitrim who are Protestant (I know Leitrim doesn’t really count but…). The GAA isn’t sectarian… you believe it to be because you are told by your sectarian and pigeon holing media. You have a sectarian midset.

    “…crap game that no one other than immigrant Irish play anywhere in the world…”
    Then why is it so successful in comparison to soccer and ‘egg chasing’ in Ireland hence this thread / discussion. You don’t like it… fine don’t play it but don’t dare try and knock it based on your silly sectarian assumptions.

    “It’s the same reason we have loads of world class flute bands. Thing is, no one else cares… “
    No.
    You have flute bands to demonstrate the Loyalist supremecy in NI… they are signs of bigoty and oppression in a dysfunctional society. Their OO base is restrictive, bigoted and anti Catholic and anti Irish.
    In the complete opposite, the GAA is an Irish games and culture promoting organization. Nothing could be further from the truth in comparing one with the other. They are polar opposites.

    Thro’out the world the GAA is played (usually by immigrants and their children) but recognised as a positive organization. Thro’out the world the OO flute bands are considered disgusting, narrow minded throw back to previous decades.

  • Quaysider

    Only Protestants are sectarian.
    It’s a wonder that republicans haven’t had more success with this philosophy.

  • “As a proud Kerryman I have been to Croke Park many, many times…”
    I didn’t think Kerry got to the final too many time in the last two decades… and we all know the stereo type that kerry supporters only travel for the final.

    “..suddenly popped up out of, when everyone knows that Ireland is a disorganised little post-colonial backwater which holds its international games in a crumbling arena which is lucky to be still standing,i.e. Lansdowne Road. …” anyone who thinks Irel “..is a disorganised little post-colonial backwater” hasn’t had their eyes or ears open for a decade and a half so who gives a fook about their opinion… they’re morons

    “…the way people here keep going on and on and on and ON about Croke Park. “ who does… I only hear the complainers speak of it and how the soccer and ruggers should have been in there earlier.

    “…and when the international media hear the answers, I think there will be a few people around the world scratching their noggins and thinking…”
    which media… I think the French, German, USA will understand that sport’s organizations are in completition ith each other and will concur that the GAA was right to exclude other games.
    “.. Maybe I’m wrong.” In my opinion you haven’t written much right.

    “…they’ll probably just smile, give us a patronising wink, nod, two thumbs up and a little pat on the head to let us know how us little Paddies and Micks …”
    You seem to read too much British press and definitely care too much about their opinion. Try the Germans, French and USA media.

    “…ALL the people of Ireland …” taxes should go towards sport… If the FAI & IRFU are too stupid and unable to take what offered then the GAA reaps the benefits.

    “… ever banned from playing at Wembley during the troubles, despite the blowing to bits of innocent people in cities all over England? “ what does the IRA campaign have to do with the opening of Croker? Nothing
    “I’m very proud of Croke Park. “ you don’t seem to be. You come across as patronizing and groveling for congratulations from the British media. Gain some independence and internationalization.

    “But I still cringe when I think about the drama and histrionics that had to be gone through to get to this point. “ see what I mean about your grovelling

    “…we’re not the centre of the universe. And we never will be. “ agreed… agreed we’re not… I know we’re not… but do you realize that Britain and London isn’t the center of the universe either?

  • sean

    Anonymous claims that less schools in the Republic than ever before play Rugby, and he is probally right, as the both the FAI and the IRFU still are denied equall acess within the vast majority of Catholic schools in all of Ireland, to promote both global games, and the Catholic Church is in cahoots with the GAA to keep it that way. The GAA is plain and simple a Catholic organisation for a Catholic people , simlar to the Orange Order, only diffrence is the Orange Order has no sporting wing. The GAA has inflicted upon the Irish people some of the most god damm awfull games in the world , Bogball, also known as Pddyball, along with Stickfighting both games are played with what appears to be no rules. So god damm awfull are these games, that despite the Irish emigrating to about every corner of the world, no country with a grain of civilisation would touch them with a forty foot barge pole. The links between the GAA and the Catholic Church, which allows it sole acess to the vast majority of their schools were the children are brainwashed in the the ways of the GAA, and have no choice what so ever in what organised games they play, means that Rugby and Football will always lags miles behind the the GAA .

  • brendan,belfast

    By his entire contribution sean has shown himself not worthy of a reply. By Anonymous’first comment on Kerry playing in Croke Park in recent years he displays his ignorance of gaelic games. (4 finals in 5 years is good going in anyone’s book).

    But Grassynoel isnt the point that the GAA did not have to face the issue of opening its doors to other sports until now, because no-one asked. Rugby and soccer had a stadium, albeit a run down one, but they were happy to use it. you asked, “Were the Irish soccer team ever banned from playing at Wembley during the troubles, despite the blowing to bits of innocent people in cities all over England?”

    Well i’ll be damned. i never knew that the Irish soccer team went about blowing people up. someone should tell the cops.

    if you really are a GAA man, a Kerryman and an Irishman, stop apologising for it.

  • sean

    Brendan, sometimes facts are hard to deal with, and I understand that is why you dismiss my contribution by saying it is not worth a replay. Your passion for defending the GAA is a result of going to a Catholic school were Gaelic games and culture were rammed down your throat, and like the vast majority of the Catholic schools in Ireland the only Football played was a break times in the school yard. You have no choice but to defend the GAA, as I pointed out you were in a way brainwashed in the culture of the GAA, you werent allowed to play so called English games, Paddyball or Stickfighting were not choices given to Catholic when it came to organised games , they were chosen for you, fact plain and simple. Other facts like the GAA is Catholic , as the Orange Order is Protestant. I assume like all Gaels you see the Orange Order as a sectarian body , and like most Gaels cannot understand it, that the GAA is seen by the vast majority of Protestant as sectrian bigots, closely linked to the Catholic Church and violent Irish Nationalisim, fact you can dimiss all you like, but untill these facts are faced up to and not dismissed the GAA is going mowhere.

  • brendan,belfast

    Sean – you say “the GAA is going mowhere”….assuming you mean nowhere, i don’t understand. where exactly does the GAA need to go?

    when it sells out a league game on a cold saturday night in February….when Dublin V Tyrone last weekend attracted the biggest sporting crowd in the northern hemisphere (bigger than the Superbowl, bigger than any 6 nations match, bigger than any premiership match)…..when it is the biggest sport in Ireland by far……when the GAA has the confidence to open its doors to fellow Irishmen who play other sport…..the GAA is not exactly in crisis is it?

    for your information i went to a school where soccer and basketball featured as much as the GAA, and don’t presume – not for a second sean, because you are wrong – to know what i think about the Orange Order. some of us have an ability to think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions about sport, culture and our neighbours and thank God i don’t fall into your narrow definitions.

    i want no part of your world.

  • Jocky

    Would it honestly have caused any contreversy, apart form the professionally offended?

    You look throughout the world and you will find conutless examples of countries that have far more recent, far more greivous claims against each other then ireland and England getting on OK. FFS Korea feckin hates Japan and they got over it for the World Cup.

    Are you trying to outdo the scots nationalist in the MOPEING, whining, front?

    Get over it, everyone else has.

    Does the endless dragging up of the past to justify petty standpoints not piss anyone else off?

    *Que counteless ah but the Brits are rights b’stards, ah but those irish b’stards

  • brendan,belfast on Feb 05, 2007 @ 08:39 PM wrote “…By Anonymous’first comment on Kerry playing in Croke Park in recent years he displays his ignorance of gaelic games. (4 finals in 5 years is good going in anyone’s book). “ ouch Bernie… but hold on…

    … if you cared to read what I wrote (knowing the Kerrygold’s recent upsurge)… I wrote “…many time in the last two decades…” which is about the paucity of the finals played since 1987. Sorry to have to burst your bubble but I extended to period I was speaking about from recent to… 20 years deliberately to cover the kingdom’s most barren years (four titles in 20 years)… still impressive in most opinions but theirs. I really wanted to comment on the kerry posters attendance at Croker only being on Final day.

    I guess I know more about Kerry football and posting to a debating site than meet the eye (try reading what’s written)…what would some one from Antrim know about Finals anyway?

  • harpo

    ‘I think the question they will be asking is how an amateur and voluntary sporting organisation can manage to build a stadium like this while rugby and soccer, supposedly professional bodies, are still in the dark ages.’

    George:

    The GAA is only amateur to the extent that they don’t pay their players.

    In all other respects it operates on a professional basis. I presume that they don’t hand out free tickets.

    It must be easy to build great stadia if you can bring in great amounts of money and pay the players nothing. And of course if the government gives you lots of help to build the stadia.

  • sportforall

    John O’Donoghue TD, Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism, today (Thursday 30th September, 2004) announced that the Government has agreed to provide a further and final grant of €40 million to the GAA over the next two years towards the cost of the redevelopment of Croke Park. €20 million will be paid this year with a further €20 million being paid in 2005. This additional grant will bring the level of Exchequer contribution to €110 million towards the €265 million cost of the whole project.

    42% government funding for a non integrated game? That makes life easy doesn’t it, when players are not paid.

  • brendan,belfast

    anonymous – just out of curiosity i trawled through the records of the last 7 years. in that time Kerry have been to Croke Park, between all Ireland finals, semi finals, quarter finals and league finals, 17 times!

    that’s some poor record! you really know what you are talking about?

  • Cromwell

    Anonymous, instead of the several screeds you subjected us to above, you’d really have been better summing it up in the phrase “I’m a culturally arrogant sectarian bigot.”
    You really have nothing to else to offer.

  • George

    Sportforall,
    horse racing got 200 million in the last five years for its facilities.

    The government is giving 191 million to Lansdowne Road for rugby and soccer.

    It gave 110 million for Croke Park Over 2 million Irish people went to Croke Park last year alone up on the 1.6 million in 2005.

    I think the government is doing alright in supporting sport for all.

    And what on earth is an integrated game – rugby on horseback?

  • P O’Neil

    I for one am glad the Wales’ aren’t going to be at Croke Park, particularly because I have a pathological loathing for the Hanovarians / Guelphs. May be they are more concerned about getting the Mountbatten treatment. I’m also surprised no-one else has mentioned that if they did go, who would be expected to lay on, and pay for, their security??

  • Anonymous
    You are entirley correct in pointing out the difference between the two soccer clubs in Glasgow.
    This difference is acknowleged by UEFA.
    One club was awarded the UEFA fairplay award in 2003 after taking 80,000 fans to Seville and UEFA president Sepp Blatter was wowed by the friendliness of the Celtic supporters.

    Celtic’s city rivals have had different dealings with UEFA recently.
    They were fined for crowd trouble at Villa Real’s ground and were also found guilty of “discriminatory chanting” during European matches.
    They are currently on probation from UEFA for the chanting.
    There is lazy journalism at work in Scotland about the two clubs.
    “one as bad as another”.
    Graham Speirs of the Herald newspaper (the son of a protestant churchman) has been to the fore in exposing the real nature of sporting sectarianism in Scotland.
    It is, according to Speirs, largely a problem centred on Rangers football club.
    I agree with him in that.

  • Sean:

    “bogball, paddyball, stickfighting”

    Really…………..

  • Cromwell

    P O’Neil speaks the language of revolution while supporting a bunch of murdering fascists turned bed-hopping peeler lovers!
    As for who pays for security, probably the same ordinary people on both sides of the border who paid to protect everyone else from the Bon Jovis.

  • Rugby on horses? If you could get the Packer Corporation to promote it and Murdoch to televise it, you might be up to something here.

  • Sean:

    “BogBall, Paddyball, Stickfighting”

    Really

  • Talk about a flippin’ non-story! Some people would cross the road just for the opportunity to be offended, or to pick at an old sore.

    I look forward to the day when the presence* of a relation of the head of state of our nearest neighbour at a major sporting event in Dublin, is as unremarkable as that of a relation of the head of state of our next-nearest neighbour.

    *or absence, as is the case here.

  • Aaron McDaid

    If we’re going to talk about association football teams in Glasgow, then I’m going to bore you with this sidetrack:

    Another foreign game being played on the hallowed turf of our other national sport.

    What next – horseracing at Lord’s?

  • brendan,belfast on Feb 06, 2007 @ 09:56 AM wrote ”
    that’s some poor record! you really know what you are talking about? ”

    I see you want to keep a light and flippant comment of mine going.

    How many FINALS have they played in Croker… not semis or quarters. The stereo type about Kerry (and I did mention that we were talking about the stereo tpical joke about the kerry supporters) is that they only travel for the finals. Therefore only the finals count. Of which they’ve only won 4 in the last 20 years. An admirable amount for most counties but known as the barren years in the kingdom.

    Now, do you get it? He’s possibly only been to Croker 4 times in the last 20 years… not taking into account the finals played and lost but I never intended to deal in the hard cold facts (hence the inclusion of the word stereo type).

    BTW what would anyione from Antrim know about Croker in the finals? I was in the Hogan for the game against Tipp… admireable perfiormance by the players… the supporters were trash.

  • Martin

    What next – horseracing at Lord’s?

    Lords will actually be hosting the archery at the 2012 Olympics. I think if baseball and softball had not been dropped as Olympics sports they would have been held their too.

  • Cromwell on Feb 06, 2007 @ 10:30 AM wrote “ …you’d really have been better summing it up in the phrase “I’m a culturally arrogant sectarian bigot.”
    You really have nothing to else to offer. “

    I post my opinion.. I know it must be hard for some one who so admires a fanatical mass murderer and ethnic cleanser that he’d adopt his handle. If my postings aren’t viewed in your favour then I consider this a good sign.

    I offer the anti-Cromwell, the anti-Adolph, the anti-Pol Pot & the anti-Milosevic.

  • brendan,belfast

    Anonymous – you are well able to trip yourself up by your own comments, so i will leave you to it.

  • I see the penny dropped at last.

    Can I ask did you have to take aim before shooting yourself in the foot earlier?

  • GrassyNoel

    “what does the IRA campaign have to do with the opening of Croker? Nothing”

    “Well i’ll be damned. i never knew that the Irish soccer team went about blowing people up. someone should tell the cops”.

    And what does the current English team, or any English person for that matter, have to do with a war crime that happened in Croke Park 100 years ago? That’s my point. If we can’t even move on over something like a game of rugby this whole sorry mess will drag on for ever. Nobody claims to want that. But still lots and lots of people refuse to let go of their bigotry and prejudice. It’s illogical for a young Irish person to hate England – and all things English -because their government were a bunch of colonial brutes several generations ago.

    Now let’s all try to relax, take a deep breath, and repeat after me: “It’s…only…a game…of Rugby”.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    They should’ve sent Prince Philip …..’bloody marvellous place, how did you Micks keep sober long enough to build the thing?’

  • GrassyNoel on Feb 06, 2007 @ 05:04 PM wrote “…It’s illogical for a young Irish person to hate England – and all things English -because their government were a bunch of colonial brutes several generations ago. “

    Agreed, it’s illogical & foolish to hate Britain.

    However I differ with you on your point of …”…government were a bunch of colonial brutes several generations ago. “

    When Westminster and Blair respond to the queries from the Barron Comm about the Dub Monaghan bombing then I’ll feel a little happier with the British Gov. When Nuala O’Loan reports are dealt with I’ll also feel happier; BTW that’s dealt with not fudged after a few accomadating sound bites.

    I always had (and intend to have) great crack w the English fans in Landsdowne and Twickers. I’d never bring politics etc into conversation. However the public and / or political representative of a govt which hasn’t been forthcoming in divulging info about crimes RECENTLY committed in Irel are a different kettle of fish…. Hence I don’t think the time is yet right for the young Windsors to attend a game in Dublin.

  • Cromwell

    Anonymous, you must feel terrible that Oliver killed a load of english soldiers in Drogheda, your poor bleeding heart. You really cant help yourself, how oppressed you must feel.
    But secretly you admire Adolph dont you, he liked a bit of historical revisionism, just like your Sinn Fein Sycophant pals.

  • Ollie Cromwell was just a relgio fanatic mass murderer / ethnic cleanser… I don’t admire his kind whereby I’d use his name as a handle – pathetic.

    Oppressed… not in the slightest… dontcha know about the nationalist confidence.

    Hitler’s first name is spelt with a ‘f’ … I included the ‘ph’ as a typo error… i guess you just copied me … “plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose”. Grow up… get an identity… develop a tradition / culture… don’t just be a lesser form of Britain.

  • Overhere

    From what I read in the newspaper last night (one of the freebie papers in London) I think you should definately ask Harry over. He went to the England Scotland game with his aunt (who supported Scotland), then left there and proceeded to spend over £11,000 pounds in the West End.

    I kid you not champagne cocktails etc so the boy has money to spend and I am sure the people in Dublin could show him a good time 🙂

  • Cromwell

    Dead on anonymous, too busy making a fool of yourself to be a pedant.
    Since I’m the one who needs to learn how to spell, please explain what a “relgio” fanatic mass murderer is.
    And again with the cultural arrogance, harking after an Oireland which never existed.

  • you find it a cultural arrogence… it’s not, it’s cultural awareness and refusal to be subdued. I also say that your paranoia is a sign of your cultural ignorence because of an absence of culture.

    Examples of a so-called / non culture might be trying to be more British than the British themselves with Loyal parades simlar to nothing that takes place in England. Painting kerbstones red, white & blue. Naming every road and estate after places in Devon & Shropshire as opposed to the townland where it’s located. Anti- anything that seems anyway Irish be it sport (GAA), music (most trad), Irish language or media (RTE).

    If your society continues to be a ‘negative’ one or just a lesser form of English society then you’ll find that the world will have continued on without your lot. You’ll be left playing your Orange flute on your own talking about 1690 trying to be racist like the “ol’ whiteys” in the USA’s Deep South … reminising about a bygone era.

  • Cromwell

    Anonymous, you make a lot of assumptions about me & my culture which you obviously know little about.
    Anything in your post could be just as easily turned against your culture. Sustitute a few words here & there. I wouldnt know what to do with a flute & as for racism, thats pretty low even from you, but wouldnt you & I be the same race?

  • “…you obviously know little about. ” yes I did make assumptions… based on your handle & this is a NI politics & culture site. Trust me I know about the NI Protestant / unionist / loyalist people.

    “…could be just as easily turned against your culture.” I gave exact examples and you return with generalisations…’if my auntie had balls she’d be my uncle’.

    “…as for racism, thats pretty low even from you…” …care to expand… I’m all ears.