Two of Tohill’s kidnappers re-arrested

The BBC report that two of the four individuals who jumped bail, after pleading guilty to abducting Bobby Tohill from Kellys Cellar`s Bar in Belfast on 20th February 2004, have been re-arrested and will appear in court tomorrow. Worth remembering that before they absconded two other charges, of false imprisonment and unlawful wounding, remained “on the books of the court, not to be proceeded with without leave of the court or the Court of Appeal” – at the request of the prosecution counsel. We’ll wait to see if that situation changes.. and the other two who had pleaded guilty are still on the run.. Adds According to one report they were re-arrested in Belfast Update The two, who were arrested on the A1 carriageway at Hillsborough, have been remanded in custody for sentencing on Feb 2

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  • should have placed that bet last week on how sinn fein will demonstrate support for the psni!

    Paddy Power odds – demonstrable support

    XX handed in for McCartney murder, with witness statements to follow

    Tohill 4 turned in

    Northern Bank notes with fingerprints mysteriously turning up in Poleglass and Ardoyne

    Gerry McGeough turned in

    Gerry Adams admits being in the IRA

    Posted by micky on Jan 15, 2007 @ 06:00 PM

  • To help soften the blow about collusion.

    Ever thought this whole timetable has been approved and has been staged managed?

  • Albert Pierrepoint

    Re-arrested,

    Get them over to Baghdad were they can be sentenced properly

  • Sinn Feinner

    We have no problem with the apprehending of people that should have known better, they were told to hand themselves in and they didn’t.
    People must understand the peace process has moved on and if they didnt move with it they would be left behind.
    All criminal activity must come to and end because it only lets our party and supporters down

  • Rory (South Derry

    Sinn Feinner

    So does that mean that you boys are now prepared to Hand in the Provo’s in Maghera who have be smuggling and Laundering deisel in the past and at present or does that affect party funds?

    Do you want the names sent to Connolly House or do you already have their names mo chara!

    Hypocracy alive and well!

    A party full of touts showing their true colours now boys!

  • Sinn Feinner

    it’s time to move on Rory what part can you not get your head around

  • Mary

    Sinn Feiner

    Good to see you boys finally admit that you are up to your neck in criminality.

  • jerryp

    Sinn Feinner, In the interests of consistency, would you have a similar policy re. those still being sought by Gardaí in relation to the killing of Garda Jerry McCabe.

  • Rory (South Derry)

    Sinn Feinner

    The Hypocracy of your stance on aprehending Criminals – There are 3 well know PSF members (One a top Rank & File Provo), still supplying Laundred Deisel to the local community!

    Turn them in – I dare ya! Or would you much prefer
    if we did this in a Sunday Respectable Newspaper!

    If you boys are going all moralistic lets round up all the wee provies who are up to their bollix in robbing you new found friends of Taxes and Vat!

    These people were also present at your wee floor show in Toome and are part of your local enforcement teams who police the peace!

    Come on where are you morals man?

  • Mary

    jerryp

    Good point. Why hasnt Mc Guinness asked the actual gun man in the Garda Mc Cabe murder to hand himself in?

    Does the new found SF support for law and order only apply to the 6 counties?

  • Rory (South Derry)

    New Game – “TRIVIA PROVO”!

    (1). Who killed Joe O’Connor?

    (2). Which well know provo and former joyrider
    drove the lorry away from the Northern Bank?

    (3). Which well known Tyrone provo is in charge of
    all the Tax exemption certificates?

    (4). Which Provo lout delivered the last blow to
    Robert McCartney

    Etc etc etc.

    Maghaberry awaits all these HOODS!

  • Rory

    That some debating Rory. Throw mud and see if it sticks.
    You haven’t got an alternative to the Sinn Féin strategy so do what the British have been doing for years.
    You should be ashamed of yourself. Plonker

  • Sinn Feinner

    when we are told it’s ok to help the police we will you all should be aware of that right from the start, we will not hide or shirk away from awkward situations we will be fully supportive of actions against gangsters and criminals, for god’s sake we have been crying out our stance on this subject for years.
    If you haven’t heard the party’s position on this subject you haven’t been listening very hard, you’re too stupid to understand or else you were in the pub’s and clubs talking a good fight instead of being at the coalface with the leadership of S/F and the party as a whole fighting the good fight, the days of the off/sales and DLA for life are over now for the sake of your families and friends get over it and get behind the party.

  • Rory (South Derry)

    Pol

    When you tramps stop the hypocracy the truth stops! Does it hurt – I think it does?

    You people are trapped in the Lions den and you have absolutely no Solution to getting rid of the Brits any quicker than the rest of us!

    The solution is “Simple End British Rule Now with no apoloogies”!

    You guys have now taken the soup and are more British than the very British themselves!

    As for being a Plonker I was once a member of Sinn Fein – Thankfully that ended by my choosing in 1999!

    FREE IRELAND VOTE SINN FEIN – ROB, STEAL, HARASS, MURDER (YOUR OWN) & LIE!

    POLICE THE PEACE AND F**K OFF POL!

  • Pete Baker

    To all

    Play the ball.

    Turning any discussion into a free-for-all abuse session does nothing for whatever argument you want to promote.. and it’s boring to everyone else.

    Try to keep it civil.

  • Rory (South Derry)

    Sinn Feiner

    Good to here that you PROVOS are turning or a new leaf or is that turning everyone in?

    Great news for Nationalist Ireland that the scams, money laundering, deisel laundering, tax, VAT fraud and thuggery is over!

    The Brits must have paid you boys a fortune?

    One question does that mean the ARA can look at all the wee Provo leaders bent financial dealings or is that another sore subject?

    The new found morality will in my view either be amazing or selective it certainly can’t be both if your serious?

  • Pat

    Sinn Feinner

    “instead of being at the coalface with the leadership of S/F”

    Ha Ha. Admit it, your posting is a wind up?

    “coalface with the SF leadership”…..was that coalface at property purchase exhibitions etc?.

    The only coalface this leadership has been involved in has been the struggle to become personally rich on the back of the hunger strikers and other patriots.

  • Rory

    As for being a Plonker I was once a member of Sinn Fein – Thankfully that ended by my choosing in 1999!

    Thank god for that.
    I wouldn’t fancy you knocking door’s looking for people to vote.
    I’m sure there was a rise in the Sinn Féin vote after 1999.

  • Rory (South Derry)

    Pol

    I am I hitting a wee raw nerve! (Try asking the Brits to include anger mangement in your wee shoppin list)!

    How can you people expect to be taken serious?

    I don’t know how anyone (in PSF) who dances on the graves of every dead Volunteer could show their face at a door let alone knock it!

    I found myself becoming very nervous around Liars in 1999 (or was I mistaken was it spin)!

    When the Brits have finished pulled your plonkers the struggle will still go on without you!

    Better stop winding you up as its a bit late at night for a Heart attack

  • Token Dissent

    I have to say that as someone who detests all contemporary form of Irish republicanism I really have enjoyed this topic. Very funny stuff from start to finish!

    With the level of hypocrisy that Rory correctly points to, it was always only going to be a matter of time before former comrades started pointing the finger at the leadership with regard to all kinds of unsavoury events. The lads must really be pining for the good old days when a swift bit of violent house-keeping kept every-one sweet.

    It is equally hilarious to find Rory resorting to schoolyard ‘Brits Out’ nonsense. You really haven’t been paying much attention have you mate. Start thinking about a future that has a place for unionists (who unfortunately for you are British), and has the power to attack the criminality you highlight in a just and consistent manner.

    Alternatively I guess you could bring about a 32 county socialist republic by bombing B&Q.

  • O’Cadhain

    “We have no problem with the apprehending of people that should have known better, they were told to hand themselves in and they didn’t.
    People must understand the peace process has moved on and if they didnt move with it they would be left behind.
    All criminal activity must come to and end because it only lets our party and supporters down ” Posted by Sinn Feinner

    hold on a minute, did you read the entire post?

    “From the 1st Independent Monitoring Commission report –
    5.6 We have received information from a number of official and unofficial sources. We have carefully reviewed all of this material. We are conscious that we are not bound by the strict rules of evidence and that the material has not been subject to the testing one could expect in a criminal trial. We do however believe this material, taken as a whole, indicates that the operation was one planned and undertaken by the Provisional IRA.”

    so you are saying that PIRA were involved in criminal activity for this attempted kidnapping? when the four were ordered to do this act by PIRA leadership? wonder what those four now think of the slogan “trust the leadership”.

    “when we are told it’s ok to help the police we will you all should be aware of that right from the start, we will not hide or shirk away from awkward situations we will be fully supportive of actions against gangsters and criminals, for god’s sake we have been crying out our stance on this subject for years.” Posted by Sinn Feinner

    so when you are told it is ok to deal with the police, i hope sinn feiners will ring the ruc/psni and give all details that they know about this kidnapping, the bank robbery, murders, etc etc and name names and give details in the name of proper non-political policing.

    and with the word of “strategy” always being used, can someone please explain SF’s detailed strategy to change the ruc/psni when the ruc/psni’s job is only to enforce british law and not to make british law, amend existing british law, appoint judges, or control the sentenacing of republicans in a british criminal court? and what is their strategy for still being the police who will do the arressting for MI5 who will retain british security interests in regards to international terrorism and domestic terrorism in the six counties ?

  • Jesus Christ

    Rory: I think you should calm down a bit. Let the Sinn Fein wankers hang themselves as they repeat Gerry’s latest mantra about “no alternative to selling out and taking the Saxon shilling”.

  • Sinn Feiner

    Are you country ones completely thick or are you loyalists trying to pretend to be republicans.
    The Brits were bigger than us, they were stronger than us and they were better trained than we were, they were more disciplined than we were and they had a legal system which we didnt have.

    There comes a point when you have to wake up and smell the coffee which thank god our leadership did decades ago and started getting organised to do something about it, what great plan have these country bumpkins got in store for us all eh?
    Let me guess doss around for the next 30 years claiming the dole and fiddling the EEC of grants, wow that’s really going to drive the Brits out that will.
    No wait we’ll cannibalis the cattle turning them BSE then export it to England and make them all mad from CJD… I’m beginning to think that this plan has already been tried and backfired with loopey dissidents out in South Derry and Fermanagh because there is no other way of explaining away gut wrenching stupidity.
    Why don’t you people go and read a few books and learn to think ahead, we will get the Brits out of Ireland maybe not tomorrow but they will go, they will be made to see reason at the negotiating tables not by burning out buses and businesses or hoax bombs and silly letters.
    I think some of you would do well to remember than we have much more in common with the English than most of the inhabitants of the likes of Galway Cork and Dublin I don’t think we should forget that.

  • Ulick

    Sinn Feiner,

    admit it, you’re a wind-up…

  • time will tell

    Sinn Feiner,

    Why didn’t you express these new found views of yours years ago at meetings or “Busters”

    I’d like to meet you and bring you to Galway and Cork to show you were you have made a mistake or two

  • mickhall

    Ulick

    Sinn Feinner in all probability is a wind up, but as a supporter of the Adams leadership, are you just not a little worried that you are not quiet sure, could the reason be that much of the nonsense he is coming out with sounds just a tad like your leader might spout these days.

    I was against what happened to Tohill, but those who allegedly did the deed were acting under orders and to throw them to the British to judge their guilt is contemptible, as to is to hear a shinner claim that Brits out is nonsense.

    Sure politics moves on, but you do not have to spit on the past [when it suits you] to move with the times.

  • Ingram

    Mick,

    admit it, you’re a wind-up…

    Posted by Ulick on Jan 23, 2007 @ 10:23 AM
    Sinn Feiner,

    Why didn’t you express these new found views of yours years ago at meetings or “Busters”

    I’d like to meet you and bring you to Galway and Cork to show you were you have made a mistake or two….. classic

    posted by time wil tell

    You have to hand to him ! he has brought some mnuch needed humour to this subject, I too believe he is a wind up though.

    Well done Sinn Feiner, now go back to school.

    Ingram

  • O’Cadhain

    sinn feiner……

    please explain SF’s detailed strategy to change the ruc/psni from within when the ruc/psni’s only job is to enforce british law and not to make british law, amend existing british law, appoint judges, or control the sentenacing of republicans in a british criminal court? and what is their strategy for still being the police who will do the arressting for MI5 who will retain british security interests in regards to international terrorism and domestic terrorism in the six counties?

  • DK

    Mickhall: “I was against what happened to Tohill, but those who allegedly did the deed were acting under orders and to throw them to the British to judge their guilt is contemptible”.

    So it is OK to kidnap if you are “under orders”? And if not the local courts (the “british”), then who do you think should judge their guilt – You? Someone with a lump hammer?

    This is why Sinn Fein have to sign up to policing – the view of justice from the dissidents is too scary to contemplate.

  • mickhall

    DK

    Do you not think there has been enough ‘bad Justice’ in the north, especially as Ms O’Loan has allowed us to get a peep under the foul smelling sheets of the RUC and PSNI. If the organization methods and unaccountable partnerships that led to the crimes that serving officers within the PSNI have allegedly committed are not addressed and brought to the light of day, the whole edifice of policing in the north will remain rotten to the core. The fact that the current chief constable of the PSNI was unwilling or unable to state that serving officers who have committed collusion crimes will be brought before the justice system, just about sums up this whole stinking mess and highlights who still pulls the PSNI’s chain, i e central government, London. Or is some shinner going to tell me the silly police committees do or ever will make such decisions.

    SFs mistake throughout the whole Peace Process has been to allow British institutions such as the RUC/PSNI to publicly proclaim that their excreta does not stink and when O’Loan revealed this as a farce, all Orde can do is order in a tanker full of Dettol.

    The PSNI is rotten as its senior officers allow criminals to serve at all levels in its ranks; and knowingly, thus it is not fit for purpose, I would remind you not a single senior PSNI officer has resigned because they find it unacceptable to serve along side fellow officers who have conspired to murder etc. there is no alternative to standing this force down and starting again. Patten was wrong and what O’Loan has allowed us to see have proved that what the former Thatcherite Minister was engaged in was a good old English cover up and fudge..

    For anyone, let alone Republicans to place their faith in the PSNI is farcical, to put it bluntly, it is like asking the people of the north, due to it being on ceasefire to place their confidence in the PIRA nutting squad under Freddie Scappaticci.