Ooh…ahh.. Trevor Brennan?

Ulster Rugby had its own Cantona moment when Trevor Brennan, the Toulouse player and former Irish international assaulted an Ulster fan during the Heineken European Cup tie between Ulster and Toulouse. Reports from fan websites claim that banter between Brennan and the fans involved nothing more than disparaging comments regarding Brennan’s pub in Toulouse however there are also claims that there were more insulting remarks. Ulster lost a bad tempered game 28-13.

  • Doctor Who

    And to think somebody on the football thread said that the Rugby fraternity are a more civilised lot.

    A lfetime ban.

  • Andy Wilson

    Here is an eye witness account via text message from my brother (whos wife is in the picture beside the lad who was assaulted, on the BBC sport website http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/photo_galleries/6285305.stm )

    “chap 2 seat up gave bren bit o stick bout his crap bar. next thing battrd. mental case”

    No sure this is admissable in court…

  • the other one

    anyone wearing a santa hat on 20th January is running a severe risk of being thumped anywhere.

  • The Devil

    The old saying that Rugby is played by thugs and supported by Gentlemen has been proven to be bollocks

    It’s played by violent thugs and supported by foul mouthed drunks who enjoy watching pain but cannot suffer it

    “is brennan a former RUC man, because he might have thought that was a Cliftonville hat”

  • CW

    Tyrone’s playing Dublin a couple of weeks time. In the light of what happened during last year’s match, Brennan should probably be called in to referee it.

  • jerryp

    Last contributor on Joe Duffy show on RTE radio today was a former president of a junior rugby club who said that Brennan’s actions were perfectly in keeping with the man. He went on to recall a junior game at which Brennan was a spectator yet ran 60 yards onto the pitch to kick a player in the groin.

  • Realist

    Brennan’s uncle is reported to have claimed on radio that Brennan was called a “fenian bastard”, and this is what provoked him.

    Brennan has himself stated that there were no sectarian comments directed at him.

    What does that say about Brennan’s uncle?

    The mentality that computes Ulster Fan = Probably a Prod = must be a sectarian bigot.

    Very sad.

  • kensei

    “Brennan’s uncle is reported to have claimed on radio that Brennan was called a “fenian bastard”, and this is what provoked him.

    Brennan has himself stated that there were no sectarian comments directed at him.

    What does that say about Brennan’s uncle?

    The mentality that computes Ulster Fan = Probably a Prod = must be a sectarian bigot.

    Very sad. ”

    Maybe that was what he was told or heard on the radio. Maybe his motivation in saying was to try and get his nephew off as this will wreck his career rather than pure sectarianism

    Assuming sectarian motivation for everything – even sadder.

  • Michael Robinson

    “Brennan’s uncle is reported to have claimed on radio that Brennan was called a “fenian bastard”, and this is what provoked him.”

    His uncle did indeed claim this. Link to radio program is http://www.rte.ie/smiltest/radio1.smil however I’m not sure how long this will remain available.

  • GrassyNoel

    “His uncle did indeed claim this. Link to radio program is http://www.rte.ie/smiltest/radio1.smil

    AAHAAAAA! So let’s hang the Southern Fenian IRA-Loving Taig Bastard for something his uncle said on the radio then.

    Ever thought of a career in law enforcement?

  • Realist

    GrassyNoel,

    Is the question not why Brennan’s uncle claimed such things, which are patently untrue?

  • GrassyNoel

    Er no.. I think the question is “why in the f*ck are we discussing Brennan’s uncle in the first place, what has he really got to do with anything, other than a comment he made on the radio”. It’s now being asserted that what he said on the radio was a lie, and that his motivation for saying it was sectarian, the implication, presumably, being that all southerners are IRA sympathising fenian bastards who always try to get Ulster protestants in trouble for things they don’t do. Boo f*cking hoo.

    Whereas what actually happened, as I’m sure we’ll all find out in due course if people could just shut the f*ck up and stop attacking ‘themmuns’ for 5 minutes and let the facts determine what actually took place, is that some f*cking idiot sitting in the front row at a rugby Match with a few pints on him trying to be a big smart-arse in front of his mates, said something ignorant and offensive, seemingly forgetting that the guy he was saying it to – and about – was only a few feet away from him, could hear what he was saying, and did what most people would do in such circumstances when they find out they are being verbally abused for no reason.

    In this instance it’s no excuse for Brennan doing what he did because he’s a professional sports person and should be able to put up with moronic abuse from terrace scum, like plenty of sports people do every day. And he’ll probably pay a very heavy price for it. However, I don’t see what relevance comments attributed to his uncle on some radio phone-in show – which is bound to attract loads of sensationalist, gossip-mongering “guess what I heard” wacko-types anyway – has to do with this discussion.

  • I just had a look at the Stade Toulousain website to see what they are saying about the incident. From what I can gather, their version goes like this:

    Brennan came off the replacements bench to warm up behind the goal line, in front of a group of Ulster supporters. A small number within that group started chanting at him, calling his mother a whore. Brennan confronted them and had beer thrown over him. Some other Ulster supporters intervened to stop the chanting and told Brennan not to take any notice. He went back to his warm-up and one supporter started the chant again. It was at this point that Brennan went into the crowd and an altercation ensued.

    I’ll admit that my ability in French isn’t what it used to be, but the statement is here, if anyone else wants to go into it further.

  • Realist

    GrassyNoel,

    “the implication, presumably, being that all southerners are IRA sympathising fenian bastards who always try to get Ulster protestants in trouble for things they don’t do. Boo f*cking hoo”

    That’s quite an imagination you have.

    I would certainly not make any such implication.

    When barefaced lies and sectarian smearing are propogated on national radio by a relative of someone involved in the incident, you should expect it to be highlighted without any “boo f*cking hoo”.

  • GrassyNoel

    Realist – I repeat: what the hell does Trevor Brennan’s Uncle have to do with any of this?

    Do you think there is some nationalist conspiracy among Brennan’s extended family to undermine Unionism ahead of any powersharing elections, that desperately needs to be exposed?

    And seeing as you’re so willing to pursue this line of argument, do you honestly believe that a French, English, Welsh, Scottish or Australian player would have got the same type of abuse as Brennan got, had they been warming up on the sideline?

    Your comment above:

    “What does this say about Brennan’s uncle”?

    Probably the cheapest, most ludicrous, most pathetic form of WHATABOUTERY I have ever seen peddled on this blog.

    To answer your question:

    Brennan’s uncle’s comment may have revealed him to be a bit of an eejit, possibly a bigot.

    Your kneejerk, MOPEish, bait-taking reaction has revealed…?

  • Realist

    GrassyNoel,

    “I repeat: what the hell does Trevor Brennan’s Uncle have to do with any of this?”

    Erm – he camme onto national radio, credified himself with being a relative of Brennan, made barefaced lies and slurs which have since been passed off as truth in a variety of places.

    “Do you think there is some nationalist conspiracy among Brennan’s extended family to undermine Unionism ahead of any powersharing elections, that desperately needs to be exposed?”

    No.

    “And seeing as you’re so willing to pursue this line of argument, do you honestly believe that a French, English, Welsh, Scottish or Australian player would have got the same type of abuse as Brennan got, had they been warming up on the sideline?”

    Oh dear!

    You’ll excuse me if I snigger at your MOPE and “whataboutery” comments.

    What specific abuse are you referring to?

    “Brennan’s uncle’s comment may have revealed him to be a bit of an eejit, possibly a bigot”

    And a barefaced liar.

    “Your kneejerk, MOPEish, bait-taking reaction has revealed…?”

    That Brennan’s uncle propogated kneejerk, MOPEish barefaced lies about the incident on national radio.

  • GrassyNoel

    “You’ll excuse me if I snigger at your MOPE and whataboutery comments. What specific abuse are you referring to?”

    I was referring to any abuse, but judging by that reaction I assume you’re saying that ALL pro rugby players who warm up on the touchline at Ravenhill get verbally abused as a matter of course? Hmmm.

    Snigger all you like, I stick by my original point. Brennan got abused by a section of the crowd and for a while eyewitnesses say he even laughed it off, until something particularly nasty was said. Then it was repeatedly chanted and he flipped. Some idiot with a big mouth got a busted face.

    Put it this way, I don’t pretend to know what exactly was said and I’m not suggesting that it was a sectarian taunt, because I simply don’t know, but neither do I think that they were merely ‘teasing him about his bar in the South of France’, and this kind of ‘AAA-HAAAAA!!!’ ‘Oh dear! OOh-er!’ nonsense is horseshit.

    It’s interesting the moniker you choose to post under, considering that your reaction to both My last post and brennan’s Uncle’s (alleged) albeit (allegedly deliberate) false contention on the radio betrays an (again) implied denial that no Ulster fan would EVER taunt a southern rugby player with something sectarian, therefore to even suggest that it may have or could have happened must therefore be itself, motivated by sectarianism. Very realistic.

    There are better threads going on elsewhere at this stage so I’ll leave you with the last word, since you’re so determined to have it ‘Realist’. But from where I’m sitting, there wasn’t enough evidence in this thread originally for you to paint Brennan as some psycho lunatic with a sectarian mindset who would attack an innocent Ulster fan for absolutely no reason, so you jumped on the ‘well his uncle said, blah, blah, so you know…’ & now you’re just trying to respond to being pulled up on it with the ‘no YOU are’ arguments of an 8-year-old. Grow up.

  • Realist

    GrassyNoel,

    “I was referring to any abuse, but judging by that reaction I assume you’re saying that ALL pro rugby players who warm up on the touchline at Ravenhill get verbally abused as a matter of course? Hmmm.”

    No, not ALL pro rugby players who warm up on the touchline at Ravenhill get verbally abused.

    Many players, not restricted to those born in the Republic Of Ireland, are bantered.

    At games I have been at in Ravenhill, I have seen players born in a wide variety of places (including Northern Ireland) bantered.

    Interesting, given your comments to me, that you infer that it might be only those from the Republic Of Ireland that are.

    Nor is such abuse/banter traits restricted to Ulster Rubgy fans – banter/abuse is found in many sports, throughout the world.

    Thin line between banter and offensive abuse.

    Brennan’s uncle’s attempt to vilify Ulster Rugby fans with accusations of sectarian abuse are disgraceful – and untrue, according to the player himself.

    I’m sure the revelation that there was no sectarian abuse directed at Brennan will come as a major disappointment to many, who would like to believe it.

    Goodbye.

  • trev

    “Brennan’s uncle’s attempt to vilify Ulster Rugby fans with accusations of sectarian abuse are disgraceful – and untrue, according to the player himself.”

    Realist, get a life.

    you brought the ‘non-story’ about his uncle up and no one else seems interssted.

    MOPE, MOPE MOPE

    very tiring.

  • Realist

    trev,

    I’m sorry, but if you find it all uninteresting, simply don’t post.

    Various media sources have reported allegations of sectarian comments being made at the game.

    Plenty of people are interested in it – check out some of the sporting boards.

    Brennan’s uncle spewed lies, which attributed to this inuendo.

    Relative of the player puts lies into the public domain which have been used to tarnish Ulster rubgy fans.

    No doubt you would have found it all a lot more interesting if the lies, slurs, inuendo had of been true.

    I make no apology for having my say on that, no matter how tiring you may find it.

    You couldn’t make it up – oh wait, Brennan’s uncle did.

  • Dr Strangelove

    What was said that made Gareth Thomas want to pile into the crowd as well ?

    If the bloke said something particularly nasty or offensive to Breenan then he deserved what he got and judging from the state of his coupon it looks like Trevor gave him quite a lot.

  • Michael Robinson

    “What was said that made Gareth Thomas want to pile into the crowd as well ?”

    He was interviewed about it on BBC Wales last night and deflected questions saying “you’d better ask Trevor about it”

    Some Ulster fans talked to Thomas at Toulouse airport and apparently he was shocked to see a photo of Brennan punching the fan that a someone had on their phone.

    It seems he saw the commotion involving Brennan and ran over to help his mate but was not there for the start of the incident.

  • BonarLaw

    Hmm, could it be that there is some attempt to justify a provocation that didn’t exist to help out a player and nephew facing professional ruin?

    There is no evidence of a sectarian slant to the sledging from any eye witnesses. I think realist is perfectly justified in asking why Uncle Brennan decided to opine on air as he did. I suspect he has picked a provocation to suit the moment- if the crowd had been English it would have been an anti-Irish jibe.

    So why all the vitriol directed to realist?

  • al

    I do not think that Trevor Brennan, one of Irelands most successful Rugby players (2 ERC wins), would risk tarnishing his rugby career for the sheer hell of it. I am sure that the Spectator who alledgely was assaulted was guilty of inciteful insults directed at Trevor character and that of his Family. It is the rugby player who should be protected from this type of treatment rather than the spectator.

    Insults leveled at a players own character and that of his family are totally out of Order and Trevor only option was to Defend his own and his family’s honour.

    There wouldn’t have been any trouble if the spectator had kept his foul mouth well and truly shut.

    Trevor is not a thug, however the spectator and other spectators like him should learn a lesson from this.

    More importantly the ERC should protect the players from such insults and they are totally at fault in this instance for not dealing with the probelm until it reach its flashpoint.

    Al

  • Jaw Jaw is better than War War

    “Last contributor on Joe Duffy show on RTE radio today was a former president of a junior rugby club who said that Brennan’s actions were perfectly in keeping with the man. He went on to recall a junior game at which Brennan was a spectator yet ran 60 yards onto the pitch to kick a player in the groin.”

    Did you read this Al? Brennan is apparently notorious for this sort of thing and there have numerous eye witness reports supporting the assertion that the only comments were about the pub and no evidence to support the statements made by Brennan’s uncle (even Brennan hinself contradicts this) and the club. or are you Brennan’s uncle with a new cover story?

  • Realist

    Big Mac,

    “Not content with polluting soccer threads with his prejudices”

    I believe I am free, as are you, to comment on any issue that I choose – providing I do so within the rules laid down by the moderator.

    I don’t recall you challenging my comments on any thread previously?

    “he has decided to diversify into Rugby with his trademark unimaginative, dull and repetitive posts”

    If you find them unimaginative, dull and repetitive, why respond at all? – particularly as your post constitutes nothing more than “man, not ball”

    “What’s next? A tirade against Snooker because they use a green ball with no orange ball in sight?”

    Erm – what colour of kit do Northern Ireland play in?

    As it happens, I’m very fond of green 🙂

    If you want to argue a point with me, please do so dealing with the point. Attack the message, not the messenger.

    Likewise, if you ever decide to post anything other than ad hominem rubbish, about which I wish to comment, I will respond on the subject matter alone.

  • Ziznivy

    A distinct lack of condemnation of Brennan’s actions from an interesting section of posters. Also a blatant hostility to Ulster rugby fans. The more cynical among us may draw interesting conclusions as to why this might be.

  • Michael Robinson

    “Trevor is not a thug, however the spectator and other spectators like him should learn a lesson from this.”

    Brennan has been involved in at least one incident with a non-player before when he punched a physio in a European Cup game against Edinburgh.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2004/04/11/srtoul11.xml

  • TOT

    Brennan not a thug?

    Aye right

  • Tochais Síoraí

    TB might be going back to various Ulster clubs with Barnhall whenever his ban ends so there should be some interesting er, banter.

  • BonarLaw

    Al

    “I am sure that the Spectator who alledgely was assaulted was guilty of inciteful insults directed at Trevor character and that of his Family”

    So no one was actually assaulted? The pictures on BBC Sport as as phoney as the ones of the moon landing?

    How are you sure? Were you there? Why does your certainty contradict all reported ete witnesses?

    “There wouldn’t have been any trouble if the spectator had kept his foul mouth well and truly shut”

    What did you hear him say?

    “More importantly the ERC should protect the players from such insults”

    What were the insults you heard?

    FFS

  • Big Mac

    Must be the week for sportsmen behaving badly.

    NIU-21 Player and sometimes Captain,Chris Turner, has been charged with a serious sectarian assault of a young catholic man in Coleraine.

    Where is the coverage of this on Slugger and see the distinct absence of same compared to that surrounding the Brennan incident.
    Where is the condemnation from the usual slugger suspects like Realist and Dr. Who? Note the distinct lack of condemnation of the incident on the ‘Are We A Country?’ website and then ask yourself why the likes of O’Connor, Kane and Gibson have no wish to be part of the sectarian carnival that is Planet Windsor.

    Turner is a throwback to the ‘good’ old days when players ((including a former captain) displayed their KAI (Kill All Irish)tattoos.

    IFA and Sport For All?
    Not bloody likely.

  • BonarLaw

    Big Mac

    the answer to your question is in your post :”Chris Turner, has been charged …”

    You see, there are live court proceedings and we have this little thing called sub judice…

  • salt of it

    I wonder will Turner’s move to Bohemians now go ahead.

    It will also be interesting to see if the IFA’s ‘Anti Sectarian Guru’ Michael Boyd,can justify the vicious sectarian attack on a co-religionist by the northern ireland under 21 captain.

    Perhaps he can start giving away n.i football shirts to try and attract ‘ the fenians’.

  • Big Mac

    Any double standards at work?

    A lifetime ban is called for in the aftermath of Brennan’s disgraceful attack on that bloke from the Malone Road.

    Meantime the IFA took serious action against their player, Chris Turner(who is charged with a serious sectaian attack on a young catholic) ….by today rewarding him with a call-up for the U-21 match against Wales!

    Heartening to see the IFA send out a clear anti-sectarianism message to all the potential supporters from nationalist areas that they’re trying to woo to support Norn Iron. I’m sure all our youngsters can’t wait to get down to cheer on the fine role model that is young Chris.

  • Big Mac

    I am outraged at a comment on the Northern Ireland fans website which states that the guy allegedly on the receiving end of a kicking from Turner ‘is a well known waster’.

    Another poster regards Turner as ‘a legend’.

    Incredible justification of (and support for) a vicious anti-catholic thug.

  • roger

    Turner will probably become a folk hero to the loyalist faithful at Windsor.

    Football For All, ehh!!

    Will he be on the loyalist wing at Maghaberry ??

  • Londonderry

    Big Mac,

    Your outraged?

    Because someone posted that the guy Turner (with another bloke who made a sectarian comment) kicked in is alledgedly a waster and will alledgedly milk this for all its worth?

    Your outraged that someone posted that Turner will be a legend (on the field)?

    Does this outrage you?

    “I’m perhaps generalising here, but anecdotal evidence recounted to me by various persons paints a rather unpleasant picture of the behaviour of some of our young players. Brawls, drink driving, bad attitudes towards hard work; the lot, and probably more. It seems, and I’m not singling out Turner, that we do seem to produce more than our fair share of wasters who make nothing of whatever ability they have.”

    That is by one poster

    “Reprehensible behaviour”

    another poster

    “Turner got thrown out of derby for fighting aswell. you would think as a professional footballer he could control himself ”

    another poster

    So Big Mac where is all the support from OWC?

    Noone is mentioning that “supposedly” like evrything else in this story Turner was called an “Orange Bast**d”.

    What should the IFA do about it? Turner hasnt been found guilty. If he does the IFA will disipline him.

    But i guess none of this fits into your “Windsor is full of Bigots” campaign.

  • Londonderry

    Roger

    Turner will probably become a folk hero to the loyalist faithful at Windsor.

    Football For All, ehh!!

    Will he be on the loyalist wing at Maghaberry ??

    Aye, it was Loyalist plot all along to make sure Nationalist dont attend NI matches.

    Give your head a shake

  • big mac

    Londonderry, Thanks for confirming that excusing sectarian and violent attacks on catholics is still alive and well amongst the rank of the Windsor Park loyal.
    Nobody does it better…………

    Re. your comment ‘Noone is mentioning that “supposedly” like evrything else in this story Turner was called an “Orange Bast**d”’.

    The insinuation meant by this statement is that the fenian b*stard had it coming.

  • BP1078

    Answer not a fool according to his own folly, lest thou also be like unto him

    From Book of Proverbs,Chapter 26 Verse 4

  • true fan

    If this guy said what he did, then he was leaving himself open for a forceful reaction from Turner.

    Maybe people like him will have a bit more respect in the future.

    I’ll certainly be cheering Turner on in the game against Wales as he has been found guilty of nothing

  • BP1078

    If this guy said what he did, then he was leaving himself open for a forceful reaction from Turner.

    true fan

    If his career is to go anywhere then he better get used to being called a lot worse than “orange bastard” and get used to walking away from this kind of provocation.

    Has anyone got a media link for this report?

    Slugger Administration:
    “Incredible justification of (and support for) a vicious anti-catholic thug.”

    I’d suggest in Slugger’s own legal interest, that this comment posted:by Big Mac on Jan 25, 2007 @ 09:53 PM
    is removed pending the result of any legal case.

  • Realist

    BP1078,

    From last Wednesday’s Irish News.

    The captain of the Northern Ireland under-21 soccer team was released on bail in the High Court in Belfast yesterday after being charged in connection with an alleged sectarian assault.

    Chris Turner (21) had been held in custody in relation to an alleged sectarian assault in Coleraine at the weekend.

    Mr Turner, from Dunboe Gardens, Articlave, Co Derry, is charged with causing actual bodily harm to a man who had to be treated in hospital for cuts and bruises to his nose and head.

    Crown lawyer Charles McKay said police had been staffing a vehicle checkpoint when they became aware of a man being assaulted at the junction of Killowen Street and Captain Street.

    He said police had seen Mr Turner and another man kicking the victim as he lay on the ground.

    Mr Turner was arrested and claimed during a tape-recorded interview that he had been provoked by the man, who had called him an “Orange bastard”.

    “The victim is from the Roman Catholic community, Turner is from the Protestant community and police investigations suggest this was a sectarian incident,” Mr McKay said.

    A lawyer for Mr Turner said his client was a professional soccer player who had been on the books of the English club Derby County.

    He was currently playing for Sligo Rovers in the League of Ireland and was due to sign for the north Dublin club Bohemians today.

    Lord Justice Higgins released Mr Turner on bail.

    One condition was that he reside at his home address.

    The judge said that if the transfer to Bohemians went ahead, Mr Turner could apply to the court to have the residence condition varied to enable him to live in Dublin.

    Mr Turner was released on his own bail of £250 with a surety of £750.

    The judge also imposed a curfew, which means he has to be in his home between 10pm and 7am.

    “If his career is to go anywhere then he better get used to being called a lot worse than “orange bastard” and get used to walking away from this kind of provocation”

    Indeed. I can just imagine the “banter” he will receive from the Rovers fans, should he move from Sligo to Bohs.

    I’m sure they’ll reciprocate the “banter” Bohs fans gave Lee Feeney when he was with Rovers.

  • BP1078

    Thanks Realist

  • big mac

    Yes, Realist, rather than deal with the actual incident of the recent violent assult, let’s instead speculate on the type of verbal banter that Turner might be subject to in the event of a possible move down South.

    Classis side-stepping from those non-sectarian and principled Norn Iron fans………..

  • Realist

    Big Mac,

    Turner currently plays “down south” at Sligo Rovers.

    For what it’s worth, I believe the IFA should not have selected the player for the forthcoming game v Wales, pending the outcome of any legal case.

    I don’t remember Turner captaining the Under 21’s, as is reported in the article – the current captain is Michael McGovern of Celtic FC.

  • big mac

    You’re right that he didn’t captain the U-21s, Realist but he did captain the Under 19s for a while.

    If all goes according to plan, he’ll play for the Senior Team one day. He has shown that an agressive attitude, fighting spirit and possessing a fierce kick are great assets for any good NI player-on and off the pitch.

  • Realist

    Big Mac,

    “he did captain the Under 19s for a while”

    Managed by that great IFA icon of “mono culturalism” – Mal Donaghy 🙂

  • big mac

    Realist, your clumsy attempt at irony only serves to reinforce the absurdity of allowing Turner to play against Wales.

    How uncomfortable will the likes of McGovern, McArdle and Ward feel about lining out alongside Turner, given the serious nature of the charges preferred against him?

  • Ziznivy

    LMFAO! Responding to a sectarianrmeark with violence is now classified as a sectarian assault.

  • big mac

    ‘Responding to a sectarianrmeark with violence is now classified as a sectarian assault.’

    As I said re. an earlier poster, the above remark is yet more NI codespeak to the effect ‘that the fenian bastard had it coming’.

  • Ziznivy

    Er no. It is quite unequivocal speak for “you reap what you sow”.

  • Ziznivy

    And it is exactly what Vincent Sweeney got when he came into Ballymena’s player’s lounge calling our players “orange bastards” and was given a smack in the face by the decidedly non-orange GAA player Paul Brown.

  • Realist

    Ziznivy,

    Vincent at it again?

    Disappointing – I thought he might of learnt his lesson after using sectarian abuse against two Linfield players (one of whom is decidedly non orange) during a game at the Limavady Showgrounds earlier in the season.

    The guy seems to have some issues.

  • big mac

    Oh Dear, nice to see Realist belatedly so concerned at sectarian abuse directed at players. What a pity he was too busy sitting on his hands when his OWN player Neil Lennon suffered the most vile and vicious sectarian abuse from his OWN supporters to the point that he was hounded out of Internatiobnal Football following death threats.

    Obviously that one slipped your minds, lads…..

    Still at least its good to see that the IFA take a strong line on that sort of thing now – witness the hardline punishment meted out to ‘Donkey-Kick’ Turner who has been heavily punished for his actions…….. by receiving a call-up for the next game.

    Zero Tolerance, IFA style!

  • Realist

    Big Mac,

    Did you not bother going to Omagh today?

    Some “fan” you are 🙂

  • big mac

    Neither a Donegal nor Armagh supporter, Realist.

    You really are tilting at windmils now…

    Your failure to address the substance of my previous post is a damning indictment indeed.

    Zero Tolerance, IFA style.

  • Realist

    Big Mac,

    “Your failure to address the substance of my previous post is a damning indictment indeed”

    With respect, I have posted regarding the Neil Lennon incidents on numerous previous occasions on Slugger.

    If you care to check the archives, I’m sure you will find my comments on various threads on the matter both forthright and consistent.

    Neil Lennon’s recent public comments on the matter hearten me considerably.

    I have no desire to indulge you any further on that one.

  • big mac

    No you’ve either missed or evaded the point, Realist.
    After all the lessons supposedly learnt after the victimisation of Lennon on religous grounds,Chris Turner has been heavily punished for his actions by the IFA by receiving a call-up for the next game.

    As I said,Zero Tolerance, IFA style!

  • bertie

    Interesting article in the paper today about the n.i supporters forum carrying links to anti-catholic websites.

    Hardy likely to attract Catholics to your games when advocating racist and sectarian views.

    Perhaps the young n.i player was surfing these hate sites before carrying out the sectarian attack ?

  • An interesting article! Ha ha ha it was in the Sunday World FFS!

    Bertie, thanks to Google, which interestingly you nor the article mentions, we also carry GAA adverts.

    You mentioned ‘advocating racist and sectarian views’ didn’t you?

    Link to the article here: http://ourweecountry.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16718&st=0

    PS Keep up the good work Fearon, doing our job for us, every bit of bile from you helps.

  • Londonderry

    Big Mac

    “The insinuation meant by this statement is that the fenian b*stard had it coming.”

    Does it now, hmmm……

    Wierd how on Turner’s end the sectarianism is totally condemed (as it should be) but when he gets called an “orange bastard” thats all right. But Turner shouldnt has reated though because its sectarian to react to sectarianism.

    “How uncomfortable will the likes of McGovern, McArdle and Ward feel about lining out alongside Turner, given the serious nature of the charges preferred against him?”

    Dont know. If you know them why dont you get them to leave a comment about it? or are you trying to insinuate something?

    What does any of this have to do with “Linfield Loyal” anyway? another insinuation?

  • harpo

    ‘As I said re. an earlier poster, the above remark is yet more NI codespeak to the effect ‘that the fenian bastard had it coming’.’

    Big Mac:

    Earlier in this thread weren’t some posters saying that the rugby spectator who was attacked by Brennan also had it coming?

    One said that if the spectator had kept his mouth shut nothing would have happened.

    One even said that Brennan is only alleged to have attacked the supporter.

    Why don’t you take this attitude in this case? If Turner was the victim of a sectarian insult, wouldn’t those nationalist posters need to take Turner’s side to be consistent?

    Or is it the usual nationalist double standard – that their side is always right, and the Protestant always wrong.

    I also don’t see any mention of any alleged attack by Turner. You just find him guilty and start calling him all sorts of things. Why didn’t you do this towards Brennan too?

  • harpo

    ‘Perhaps the young n.i player was surfing these hate sites before carrying out the sectarian attack ?’

    Bertie:

    And maybe the person who called hin an ‘orange bastard’ was surfing Irish nationalist or Irish republican sites before making that sectarian remark.

  • Realist

    bertie,

    “Interesting article in the paper today about the n.i supporters forum carrying links to anti-catholic websites”

    Google ads. Cass is a rascal.

    Right up there with the story (in every sense of the word) in the same rag last weekend about the “CLF” supporters at Cliftonville.

  • Realist

    Big Mac,

    Unlike yourself, I couldn’t give a flying one about the slight differences in theological interpretation between two very similar strands of exactly the same religion.

    If you wish to discuss these differences, I cannot indulge you. I simply do not know the differences.

    I leave that kind of thing to the “one true faith” and “Presbyterians belong to a cult” experts, who seem to know what they’re talking about.

  • BP1078

    And also the I.R.A. I notice (think “tax” not “terrorism”).

    Any truth in the rumour that next week’s Sunday World expose will concern the disturbing links between the B.C.C. (Ballinamallard Culchie Crew) and the infamous Jupiter Casual Squad?

    Hoolie hands across the universe…Mr Cassidy, your loyal (please don’t take that in the Norn Iron sense)readers demand the truth…

  • Ziznivy

    Realist, Sweeney has a history of this with BUFC supporters since he left us. At Limavady earlier in the season he responded to chants of “Vincent donkey” by miming automatic gunfire and shouting “up the Ra”. Lovely chap that he is.

  • Londonderry

    But thats not sectarian, it is only sectarian if someone punches him, then the person who punches him is sectarian.

    Wierd system that.

  • Londonderry

    “If this is true and he has give somebody a sectarian kicking then sorry guys he’s not worth defending, at the end of the day there has been some human that has been kicked and punched for what!!! shouting abuse…… well sorry he should have been big enough to walk away from the guy that was shouting the abuse rather than getting involved.

    Suspend him from playing in OWC colours until it’s all sorted out legally”

    another post from “that ni supporters forum”

    Im failing to see the lack of condemnation here Big Mac. I certainly cant see why you are “outraged”.

  • big mac

    Amusing to see Marty and Mac from ‘Are We a Country?’ wrongly fingering me as their arch-enemy.

    Paranoid with a capital P or what?

    However it tells a lot about the tunnel vision of such people that they cannot accept that the actions of the IFA and their players and supporters will offend slightly more than just the one nationalist.

    From the KAI tattoos in the 70’s, to the Lennon death threats in the 90’s to the current fiasco over Donkey-kick Turner.-see the pattern, boys?

    You’ve got to learn to look past the personalities and see the issue, lads…………

  • Fearon, you really are a joke.

  • Doctor Who

    Le Big Mac

    “However it tells a lot about the tunnel vision of such people that they cannot accept that the actions of the IFA and their players and supporters will offend slightly more than just the one nationalist.”

    Yes you are quite right, i´m sure there are a lot more blinkered and narrow minded nationalists like you.

  • BP1078

    big mac

    From the KAI tattoos in the 70’s, to the Lennon death threats in the 90’s to the current fiasco over Donkey-kick Turner.-see the pattern, boys?

    Yes, the pattern is that if you’re going to be *offended* at least be accurate about the *facts* you’re offended about.

    And for FFS, sort out your punctuation; it gives you away every time you sad, little(metaphorically speaking) man.

    And for your own and Slugger’s case, I suggest very quickly you get someone to explain to you the
    legal concept of “sub judice”. Hate to see up on a “libel” or “contempt of court charge”.

  • Realist

    Big Mac,

    The thing is, you are only *offended* and “outraged* about acts that you believe might be perceived as sectarian by the nationalist community.

    You care not about similar sporting issues (including sectarianism evident in certain nationalist football fans) that might be offensive to members of the unionist community.

    Whereas many of us, from differing backgrounds, deplore sectarianism and exclusion in sport generally, you don’t.

    For example, you cannot accept that the actions of other sporting organisations on the island will offend slightly more than just the one unionist.

    I would suggest to you that you actually thrive on sectarianism and exclusion.

    You resent any attempt to remove sectarianism and exclusion from the sporting equation in this part of the world.

    You know full well that anytime you choose to throw mud in the direction of the IFA and Northern Ireland fans, you are guilty of rank hypocricy.

    When you point the finger, at least one will be coming back at you.

    You know too, that the “campaign” to demonise the IFA and Northern Ireland fans has only served to make us stronger – that galls you.

    When you decide to become *offended* and *outraged* by ALL aspects of sectarianism and exclusion in sport, maybe then I and others will treat you seriously.

    That will tell us a lot about tunnel vision.

  • Realist

    “Amusing to see Marty and Mac from ‘Are We a Country?’ wrongly fingering me as their arch-enemy.

    Paranoid with a capital P or what?”

    Oh the irony – from a poster calling himself “Big Mac”.

    For the record – I would certainly not consider you an “arch-enemy”.

    You are a true asset to Northern Ireland fans – a “golden nugget”.

    Keep it up.

  • Droch_Bhuachaill

    If the ‘fan’ did call Trev’s mother a whore, he deserves a good clatter. If he said Trev’s beer was pisswater, he did not. I know professional sportsmen should be immune to taunts and banter, but who here would not feel aggravated, even to the point of violence, if someone repeatedly insulted your family?

    P.s could anyone clarify if the fan suffered a broken jaw,as was reported by some in the media?

  • Realist

    “Still at least its good to see that the IFA take a strong line on that sort of thing now – witness the hardline punishment meted out to ‘Donkey-Kick’ Turner who has been heavily punished for his actions…….. by receiving a call-up for the next game”

    Turner is NOT included in the Northern Ireland Under 21 squad to play Wales next Tuesday.

    The 19 man squad was only announced yesterday.

  • big mac

    ‘Turner is NOT included in the Northern Ireland Under 21 squad to play Wales next Tuesday’

    Oh Good-My one-man campaign worked then…

    ONE-NIL!!

  • The General

    HQ calling “big mac”

    Agent Big Mac(aka “norm”, “bertie”, “bill”, “the Stocking Stalker”):

    Another successful mission accomplished.

    Thanks to your work, the anti-GAWA bigots have, once again, been thoroughly discredited.

    Your sacrifice in making yourself look an idiot,
    again and again and again.. is appreciated by all at OWC, the IFA and the GAWA Securocrat Dept.

    Keep it up, you’re doing us all proud.
    (Usual commission? Free ticket for Wales match is in the post

    Codeword remains for next mission:
    Staunton Must Stay, Darron is a donkey

  • big mac

    Many thanks for Howard Wells’ intervention to try to prevent a young footballer playing for his country and ending his International career before it has started.

    A salutary lesson indeed and one that is being noted by all parents of young footballers in nationalist areas.

    Thanks Howard and Are We A Country? posters-you are in the process of turning a trickle into a deluge.

    Keep up the good work.

    Like I said ‘TWO-NIL!(scorers OGs, Wells 16,90)

  • The General

    big mac
    Don’t blow your cover.
    Don’t overdo the idiocy, people are starting to suspect you’re one of us.

    Codeword remains for next mission:
    Staunton Must Stay, Darron is a donkey

  • big mac

    TG,
    Please keep up the demonisation of a young lad because of his aspiration to play for his country, as this evidently gives you great pleasure.

    Bear in mind that the hounding and persecution of the lad in the Press by the IFA will be long remembered when parents from nationalist areas decide on whether allow their teenage kids to be involved with your under-age teams.

    Wells and Co. are using the fact that Darron played for an NI team when he was a fourth and fifth-former as a reason to deny him his desire to play for his country.

    Brace yourself for an call for a boycott by nationalist parents of the IFA Schools System which will be made by a Political Party next week. This issue is a sure-fire vote-winner and there is an election in March after all.

    In the meantime, please keep yourself amused with your scintillating wit re. agent’s passwords.-magic stuff indeed.

    By the way, are you sure a bit of the North Stand didn’t fall on your head last time you were at Windsor?

  • The General

    Brace yourself for an call for a boycott by nationalist parents of the IFA Schools System which will be made by a Political Party next week. This issue is a sure-fire vote-winner and there is an election in March after all.

    bigmac
    Good work fella, will diarise. Just to check.

    And btw, never congratulated you on your previous demonisation of young Turner.
    And the disinformation you spread about his selection by the IFA.
    The display of blatant double standards and the spreading of *crap* facts will always further our cause.

    By the way, are you sure a bit of the North Stand didn’t fall on your head last time you were at Windsor?

    Meant to tell you big mac. Drop the attempts at witty repartee. Doesn’t work. Makes you come across as a bitter, twisted bigot trying to be a regular guy. Makes it all too obvious, what real side you’re on. Stick to the illogical statements, the non-sequiters and the lies. Helps us much more.

    Staunton Must Stay, Darron is a donkey

  • big mac

    ‘non-sequiter’, TG?

    Do you mean non-sequitur by any chance?

    If you’re going to try to hide behing your bigotry using what, in your world, you would call ‘them big words’, then try to spare your blushes by getting the spelling right.

    If you don’t, you lack a certain credibility.

    Credibilty? Northern Ireland fan? It’s difficult to reconcile the irreconcilable.

    Dang it. I was right! A bit of the Stand did fall on his bap, the cupid stunt!

  • Spellcheck

    “If you’re going to try to hide behing your bigotry using what, in your world, you would call ‘them big words’, then try to spare your blushes by getting the spelling right.”

    If you don’t, you lack a certain credibility.

    You spelt behing wrong. It’s “behind”.
    Just thought you’d like to know….

  • Doctor Who

    Big Mac

    u r a compete tunt

  • The General

    , then try to spare your blushes by getting the spelling right.

    Good man! Like it!
    If you don’t agree… can’t argue, rely on the old “he’s not like me, must be a bigot” argument. Slugger’s readers are smart cookies, they’ll see where you’re coming from;).

    “If you’re going to try to hide behing your bigotry using what, in your world, you would call ‘them big words’”

    Yes! Yes!
    Switch it round though.
    Doesn’t make sense the way you said it.

    I hid my *bigotry* behind the big words, not the other way round.

    Codeword’s changed:
    The Derry Pele Must Play in San Marino

    Keep up the good work!!!

  • Cap’N Bob

    Funny how Eric Cantona was unquestionably backed when the **** hit the fan

    Funny how it is an appalling at to throw beer at a player when Feyenoord were playing Blackburn Rovers but it is all part of the game when it is done to Brennan

    Funny how the press only mentions the Delon Armitage incidents when the Ulster player is acquitted for “using a colourful local phrase” but we are not told what that phrase is.

    Funny how Ulster accuse London-Irish of gamesmanship after their palyer is cleared but not in the month after the alleged gamesmanship

  • BP1078

    Funny how Eric Cantona was unquestionably backed when the **** hit the fan

    Eh?? I think your memory fails you there, Cap’n.

    Le roi was 100 % backed by Utd fans and Ferguson, but that was it.

    Even once the racist past of the BNPer Matthew Simmons (the guy Eric took out)was revealed, the rest of football, the media and politicians still crucified Cantona.

    Not quite sure what the rest of your point is to be honest, you think there’s an Ulster conspiracy in the media?

  • ulsterman

    Actually hope Wales beat Ireland today. Until thee is a Northern Ireland Rugby Team and for as long as they stand under the tricolour, they’ll be getting no support from me

  • Realist

    “Brace yourself for an call for a boycott by nationalist parents of the IFA Schools System which will be made by a Political Party next week. This issue is a sure-fire vote-winner and there is an election in March after all”

    Great move.

    “Unity through sporting apartheid” – the election mantra of the party in question?

    Maybe “Building an Ireland of Equals, through creating sporting apartheid for our children”?

    Or how about, “Our revenge will be the division of our children on the football pitch”?

    Real smart move.

  • BP1078

    Realist

    “Brace yourself for an call for a boycott by nationalist parents of the IFA Schools System which will be made by a Political Party next week. This issue is a sure-fire vote-winner and there is an election in March after all”

    bigmac has provided us with *facts* like this before (young Turner was all lined up for the under 21s…apparently), so let’s just wait to see what transpires over the next week.

    If they do try to pull it off, again, let’s just wait and see the reaction from the young lads and parents in question, before we get our knickers in too much of a twist.

  • Big Mac

    I note that all the Are We A Country? anoraks are shitting themselves on their AWAC? web-s(h)ite over next week’s call for a boycott of their under-age teams by schools from the Maintained Sector.

    Good.

    Job done.

    Three-Nil!!!

  • BP1078

    bigmac
    You sound so excited.
    You should really try broadening your horizons.
    Take up chess or stamp-collecting.