Spooks refuse to learn lessons of history…

“THE skeletons rattling in the Irish cupboard are a reminder of what can happen when security services are not held accountable”, argued Matthew Carr in the wake of a blunt Dail committee report into British security force collusion with loyalist terrorists. But with the war on terror in full swing, the First Post reporter believes that lessons have not been learned. With MI5 refusing to answer to a House of Commons committee about rendition flights or speak to the relatives of the Omagh bomb victims, little appears to have changed since the case for collusion became overwhelming. And despite Sinn Fein’s belated call for no MI5 involvement in civic policing here, its lack of any accountability here or anywhere else in the UK seems highly likely to continue. One wonders how many more innocents will have to die for the greater good.

  • heck

    but the british politicans and media can jerk themselves off in an orgy of faux moral outrage over the death of a Russian spy or syrian support for pro syrian death squads in labanon.

    ba humbug

  • Glensman

    The Free State Government aren’t so innocent in this themselves… For year’s Leinster House kept quiet even though they had evidence that SAS murder squads were carrying out attacks/assignations on BOTH sides of the border.

  • Mick Fealty

    This is a story I wanted to do last week when the news broke. But it is a great deal more complex than it looks. And requires more work than I had time for then.

    This is just the latest in a series of reports (http://tinyurl.com/yg2s63) from a joint Oireachtas Committee on the Barron Report: itself a full scale report the Irish Government is not keen (for its own largely undisclosed reasons) to let the Irish public see and examine for themselves.

    Neither is it the only report going on into possible collusion between the British and specific non state actors. The Police Ombudsman is currently investigating similar types of allegations on both sides of the border.

  • Nevin

    Glensman, there is also stunning hypocrisy on the part of the Irish political establishment. I don’t suppose there’s likely to be an in depth inquiry into collusion between agents of the Irish state and paramilitaries.

  • Are not the Barron Reports contained in the interim reports on the Oireachtas committee website? I’m ready to stand corrected on this but I’m not sure that there is a separate unpublished report.

  • ingram


    The reason why the Intelligence services have not and will not learn from the past is very clear? the past has been very, very rewarding in terms of success. Contrast NI today to the early 80`s, the IRA have decommissioned and its leadership assimilated into the British state.It is also a well tried and tested strategy to play both sides against one another whilst maintaining the facade of independant Referee.

    I believe we all should learn from the past, it is wrong to play cards with a stacked deck? but it certainly makes winning so much easier .


  • Gonzo


    It depends how you define success, I suppose. From an intelligence point of view, you could argue a case that it has been a successful strategy.

    However, I don’t think either of us would argue that the killing of innocent people is necessarily the best way of achieving success. The message I got from your book was that the ends don’t always justify the means…