12th IMC report published.. as November deadline approaches..

For some, what the IMC says has always been irrelevant, but other interested parties have been reacting to the latest report, the 12th, since yesterday. You can read the actual 12th IMC report in all its detail now. The sections Peter Hain et al have been pointing to [as they did in September – Ed] might be worth comparing to previous IMC reports on the same issues, notably the 11th IMC Report on the security threat assessment, the 10th report from April, on ‘good leadership, bad members’.. and, while we continue to wait for that “enormous boost to the prospects of doing a deal”, there’s still the issue of the long-term exploitation of discreetly laundered assets.

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  • seabhac siulach

    Seeing as how it mentions that the PIRA has been effectively dismantled…it will be interesting to see which semantic hoops the DUP will be jumping through next…

    Finally (perhaps), cue some real pressure on the DUP to move…

    “…the issue of the long-term exploitation of discreetly laundered assets…”

    So will they be looking to get back all the proceeds from every ‘fund-raiser’ going back to, oh, let’s say, the 1920s then? Fianna Fail et al. may also then need to cough up some cash to be whiter than white…seeing as how they were set up with the support of the IRA in 1926.
    Where does this nonsense end. When it’s over, it’s over…leave sleeping dogs lie…

  • Hurler on the Ditch

    Seabhac,

    I think we know the next hoop as Gonzo pointed out in an earlier post where he quoted Jeffrey-

    “We differ from the IMC in their view that it’s not a matter of concern that the command and control structure of the IRA remains intact. If they are no longer engaged in criminal or paramilitary activity, there’s no need for that and we will want to see that structure dismantled.”

    Course now we know that some of the command and control structures are no longer intact so it’ll be tricky for the DUP but no worries folks. They’ll come up with something… maybe photographs of command structures being dismantled???

  • DK

    I think that the next hurdle is SF to join policing. Which would then mean SF supporting the police going after money launderers and smugglers. This might be hard to sell to the SF grass roots, unless of course they are also interested in a crackdown on money-laundering and smuggling…. although I haven’t heard of any punishment beatings for those offences.

  • Ian Paisley

    Three posts here and forty five on the GAA bashing thread below. Kind of points to the real unionist agenda…

  • I welcome the positive news from the IMC and hope this helps towards a final deal.

    With all the goings on recently I think Sinn Fein are fit for govt, if for no other reason than they are not any worse than the other parties.

    Even the subject of criminality seems to be addressed by the IMC and the message to those who persist is, “You are on your own now” commit crime as an individual, not from behind the cloak of Republicanism or Loyalism, when arrested, take you chances against the law as other criminals do, hire top class lawyers to try and beat the wrap.

    While the cheque book is out, just pay off the point men from both sides.

    Keep the figures round.

    10 million euros for “Frankie” and the South Antrim UDA.

    Withdraw the 5.4 million euro demand of Thomas Slab Murphy.

    Slab got a mention in the Dail yesterday, Bertie stated that he had never recieved money from Slab Murphy, hummm, what about money via Phil Flynn, from Slab.

    Bertie did not deny Slab may have been present at functions!!

    Now Bobbey Storey has been given his just rewards, how about a role for Jackie McDonald?

    there’s still the issue of the long-term exploitation of discreetly laundered assets.

    No, let them keep what they have got, if they declare it and pay tax on it in the future.

    Why is it that those who were in the front line during the troubles are the ones to be hounded and provoked, while others get rewards?

    Past asset accumilation should be waived as an incentive to stop doing it in the future.

    Demanding tax that runs into millions just encourages them to continue, to meet those demands, it is counter productive.

  • seabhac siulach

    “Kind of points to the real unionist agenda…”

    The IMC was only of interest when it told them what they wanted to hear…now it does not conform to their needs, it is being quietly ignored (strange the silence from the usual Unionist quarters…)

    And in a holding action, Paisley is asking for more clarification (political speak for stalling when clueless). He said today that the DUP would be seeking talks with the IMC to ascertain if the measures taken by the IRA are “permanent and irreversible”. As if anything in life is…

    The DUP asked for debandment/dismantlement of PIRA. This report clearly indicates that the PIRA GHQ staff and facilities have been shut down. Therefore, it has been dismantled…
    This was what Jeffrey Donaldson asked for only the other day…do we hear this news being welcomed by him (as they say, do we f**k).

    Thank Christ that this nonsense is to end soon…one way or the other…

    Pressure must be put on the DUP now. It is a nonsense to attempt to use policing as a further bid to prevent sharing power with Sinn Fein (when they have already all but publicly concided that they will agree to this in the event of devolution taking place).

    In fact, it is hard to see what more the Provos can do to prove their good faith…

  • Lets not forget the secret DUP weapon, when all the conditions have been met, the DUP can always revert to Gerry Adams dying his hair, or not, and not brushing it as well.

    Clearly, there is still work to do, but the IMC report is the much needed springboard to finally making a deal.

    The final ace played by Sinn Fein over policing will give the DUP nowhere to go, other than reaching a deal.

    The only other thing the DUP can do is to play for time, by agreeing a deal timetable that goes into next year.

  • Arthur Morgan

    I note the Peter Hain said during his press conference this afternoon that the provence is a much better place than 3 yrs ago when the IMC first started reporting. Maybe he is unaware that the IMC isnt even in existance for 3 yrs. Slan.

  • circles

    The IMC report on IRA activities is being given extremely positive airplay on he BBC World Service. “Glowing” and “radical change in the last three years” are some of the phrases being used.
    Of course I have heard nothing of how the unionist/loyalist paramilitaries have been behaving themselves. And of course this have never been of any concern to the unionist/loyalist community, nor indeed the British and Irish governments anyway.
    Fair_Deal – any spontaneous reaction from a unionist on this?

  • I wonder if a deal could have been reached much earlier if there had been religious decommissioning alongside the weapons.

    After all religion is the root cause of the evil in the world.

    there’s still the issue of the long-term exploitation of discreetly laundered assets.

    I agree, lets go for those religious assets that have been laundered over the years.

    The amounts involved make the criminal assets look like chump change.

  • Unionist Mindset

    Hang on a little.

    I was told by a close associate of a guy who works in vodafone that one of his corporate clients is the royal mail. Appartenly on the postmen who works in west belfast told a friend of my associates pal that he was quietly informed by a guy who used to work in the falls leisure centre that his ex girlfriends cousin once went out with a former stick whose mate was a bloke in sinn fein but left in 86 over the split. Anyway he had a pint in the felons one day with a dark heavyset man, orginally from the bone, now leaving in clonard, who delivers leaflets from time to time for Fra Mc Cann of sinn fein.

    Anyway this dark heavyset man bloke a red light only six weeks ago at the junction of the whiterock road.

    And they expect us to go into govt with this people?

  • ‘And they expect us to go into govt with this people?’

    Ah, there’s no irony like heavy irony. Out of interest UM, if we, actual-factual Unionists, don’t want to go into government with SF (you know, what with it being a free society n’ everything), if we say, “thanks, but no thanks”, what then? Will that really, really upset SF and their invisble, ‘inactive’, but still very much there, friend?

  • Unionist Mindset

    Karl, is it SF or catholics?

  • if we say, “thanks, but no thanks”

    KR a bit of honesty would be a breath of fresh air.

    The DUP should be honest and say that it won’t go into govt with Sinn Fein no matter what conditions they meet.

    Unionists will, never, never, never, share power with Republicans and that will never change.

    At least the public will know the real truth about the DUP agenda.

  • seabhac siulach

    “…their invisble, ‘inactive’, but still very much there…”

    Not ‘inactive’ but inactive…read the IMC report or is it only to be believed when it suits? The PIRA has been dismantled…period…
    It is there black and white in the IMC report, for those who can be bothered to read it without the blinkers.
    Clearly, the main active controlling part of the PIRA, the GHQ staff, is gone, and there is no desire of the Provo leadership to recreate it or return to violence…
    Without the GHQ the PIRA is just an army in name as it has not effective means to function, no intelligence branch, no bombmaking, etc.
    The IMC report is the measured decision and view of the Brit, Irish govts and clearly all the intelligence agencies, but then I guess Unionists know better than all of those…
    It is ridiculous to take this defensive (and childish) posture, “if we, actual-factual Unionists, don’t want to go into government with SF (you know, what with it being a free society n’ everything), if we say, “thanks, but no thanks”, what then?”
    It might be hard to believe but no one is threatening you, the ‘siege’ has lifted…there is merely the opportunity to share power with your political opponents (I know how scary it must be to have to take your first steps out into the real world of adult politics…but baby steps…)

  • hippo

    A hughely significant, seismic, Historic,courageous, momentous and unprecedented report by the IMC.

    The DUP have no excuse now not to form an executive with SF, and if they do the Shinners couldrefere this to the Court of Human Rights in Strasberg citing the DUP for Human Rights abuses.

  • kensei

    “Ah, there’s no irony like heavy irony. Out of interest UM, if we, actual-factual Unionists, don’t want to go into government with SF (you know, what with it being a free society n’ everything), if we say, “thanks, but no thanks”, what then? Will that really, really upset SF and their invisble, ‘inactive’, but still very much there, friend?”

    No, as it’ll party time. Unionism will be shown up by itself yet again, the British Government will ignore you and continue with North South bodies and cooperative with the Republic and new Nationalist controlled super councils along the borer will weaken it at every possible turn.

    Of course, my rates will be through the roof as a result of your refusal to move, but it’d be worth it to watch Unionism squirm.

  • Northsider

    Out of interest UM, if we, actual-factual Unionists, don’t want to go into government with SF (you know, what with it being a free society n’ everything), if we say, “thanks, but no thanks”, what then?

    The government or crown or whatever you profess loyalty to these days (it certainly ain’t eachother!) will then revert to the Tactics for Dealing With Spoilt Immature Children Handbook. This is part of the volume entitled: Political Dirty Tricks Made Easy – and whihc could result in the electorate you chase and harry, and on whom you rely for your livelihood, may become enlightened (the hard way) on what this stalling and bickering and posturing is costing their pocket, and their lifestyles.

    Will that really, really upset SF and their invisble, ‘inactive’, but still very much there, friend?

    Musch as you’d love it to happen, Karl – I just can’t see it. Go back to slating Trimble – you made more sense in them days, it was all rather revealing about the ‘actual’ Unionist mindset if that is indeed what your views are indicative of.

    History is leaving you far, far, far behind….

  • alpho

    Now that the 12th IMC report in on the table. The DUP & SF should start work on agreement on the Government of Northern Ireland. We all have paid a very high price over this last 40 years, and while the present stalemate goes on the longer it is going to take.
    So for the sake of every one both Protestant and Catholic lets move on and start the process. Things will not chance overnight but at least a start will be made.

    It’s over to Ian & Gerry now

  • POL

    #

    Three posts here and forty five on the GAA bashing thread below. Kind of points to the real unionist agenda…
    Posted by Ian Paisley on Oct 04, 2006 @ 02:11 PM

    And another 16 posts makes 19 and so on and on and on they grow.

  • George

    When will people learn that you can’t believe a word that IMC/IRA say.

  • suile eile

    …. Theres no doubt, whichever excuses, hoops or anything else the DUP, (loyal to what?)loyalists and (union to what?)’unionists’- get up to, Ireland is united physically, geographically, (theres really not any sea round the bottom of the six counties), culturally , linguistically, and nationally. It WILL be united politically. Face it!

  • nmc

    if we, actual-factual Unionists, don’t want to go into government with SF (you know, what with it being a free society n’ everything), if we say, “thanks, but no thanks”, what then?

    Unfortunately Karl, we Republicans are also allowed to vote these days, so it’s not up to you. If we vote for them, they’ll be in government, and if you say no thanks, we’ll laugh at you, nothing more, nothing less.

  • No Dozer

    Hippo
    “The DUP have no excuse now not to form an executive with SF and if they do the Shinners could refer this to the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg citing the DUP for human rights abuses”

    How many babies, young boys, young girls, men women old and young did the leadership of the DUP order to be murdered. The greatest human right of every person who lives in this country or any country is the right to life itself. Where do SF
    stand on this given their past record?

  • k

    The IMC report states that several dissident republicans were arrested at a protest against an american arms company in Strabane.
    The protest was actually in Derry (Raytheon). If they can’t even tell the difference between Derry and Strabane then how much credibility do they have!!! What a joke!

  • m

    They also noted the formation of eirgi in Dublin. Are they inferring that a few members of SF leaving to set up a campaigning organisation is somehow connected to the IRA? If I was a member of eirgi I’d be consulting with my solicitor.

    What have they got to do with the IRA? Other than showing the IMC and its briefings can be scattered with utterly irrelevant pieces of nonsense and they have a very basic knowledge of what is going on within Republican circles and no ability to interpret what they are spoon fed.

  • unfair exchange

    I noticed the eirigi thing myself. It is quite clear that the imc are saying that eirigi is a split from the IRA. Complete and utter nonsense and if they had asked anyone with a decent contacts with SF or the IRA in dublin could have explained who the dozen or so are where they worked and why they left. And having informed themselves properly they would have realised that eirigi are made up of former SF activists manily from the rathmines area.

    This report is rubbish and is edited with only one reader in mind. Ian Paisley. In much the same way that the earlier reports overplayed the IRA this one does the opposite.

    The DUP are complete idiots for allowing themselves to get played so badly by the brits on this.

    Serves them right.

  • slug

    “So why is the IRA still running a commercial empire?”

    The response of BBC Radio 4’s The World Tonight.