‘Terrorism Tsar’ to check with Muslim leaders before raids?

Ronnie Flanagan is to suggest a ‘Terrorism Tsar’ (say that 3 times fast) in his report to the government on how to handle the growing Islamic Extremist threat. In the report, the Sunday Life writes, it is said “a greater emphasis on community policing is needed if effective intelligence is to be gathered”. Meanwhile, the Sunday Times is reporting that the “police have agreed to consult a panel of Muslim leaders before mounting counter-terrorist raids or arrests. Members of the panel will offer their assessment of whether information police have on a suspect is too flimsy and will also consider the consequences on community relations of a raid.” It is not clear if that is the sort of community policing Flanagan had in mind; then again, looking at the precedent set here….perhaps it is in keeping? In the same ST report, it’s noted that the man who harangued John Reid the other day, Abu Izzadeen, may be arrested based on a video he made urging Muslims ‘to wage holy war in Britain’.
You can listen to Abu on Thursday’s Jeremy Vine show, about an hour or so in, the link will open the BBC radio player. It is a lively debate, with Sairah Khan giving a voice to more moderate Muslims.
Read a transcript of an interview he did with John Humphrys, which is causing a bit of ruckus.

  • Brenda

    Why go to all the trouble of meeting a council better to put up a notice in the local shop that the raid will take place at a certain time, so if you have any thing dodgy, or if you are dodgy then get off side so we can’t catch you.

    Much easier and at a lot less cost to the tax payer.

  • merrie

    Ronnie didn’t do a similar check with local leaders when he planned to raid IRA, UDF etc when he was looking after NI – did he?

  • Garibaldy

    Merrie,

    Maybe he’s realised that a bit more sensitivity at the start of the Troubles would have reduced the alienation of large numbers of people and prevented as many people joining paramilitaries as did. Perhaps he’s seeking to avoid creating more alienation in Muslim communities to avoid repeating the same mistake, which they’re well on the way to doing with Iraq and foreign policy, and Forestgate etc

  • peter fallow

    What PC nonsense. The police should be going in ten times harder and damn anyone who complains: these people are trying to kill as many of us as they possibly can. It is their raison d’etre. The authorities in the UK waste far too much time making apologies and excuses for trying to protect the population, their most important job. The Jihadists do not respect weakness, but they do see it everywhere exploit it.
    Sadly I believe it will take an event on a massive (quite atomic in nature) before a spineless UK government has the balls to sort this problem out once and for all.

  • peter fallow

    Sorry, that should be ‘quite possibly atomic’ above.

  • Donnacha

    “these people are trying to kill as many of us as they possibly can. It is their raison d’etre.”
    Us and them and so it starts….

  • Jo

    The western world should get on its knees and apologise to the Islamic world for a thousand years of murder, rape, theft and warfare against their way of life.
    Bigots such as Peter Fallow above belong over at racist central with Vance and the evil twin.

  • Garibaldy

    Jo,

    Is your blog down permanently, or is it just my computer?

  • marty

    The western world should get on its knees and apologise to the Islamic world for a thousand years of murder, rape, theft and warfare against their way of life.

    Jo,
    are you being serious or are you simply offering a parody of ATW?

  • marty

    A sort of left-wing ATW if you like.

  • Shuggie McSporran

    peter fallow

    “these people are trying to kill as many of us as they possibly can”

    Well, if you know who these people are and what they are planning why don’t you just go to the police and tell them, save us all a lot of bother.

  • Brenda

    I think in one sense gari has it right, sensitivity is needed in these situations, but this is a little bit more than sensitivity.No one wants to alienate whole communities. Not being a policing expert, isn’t it a bit daft to alert people- any people to the fact that you are going to carry out a raid? Couldn’t it comprimise the raid and even the lives of the officers? Yes I agree with the softly softly approach in these matters but in practice can THIS work.

    I think not.

  • Garibaldy

    I suspect that this will involve the cops telling a select group of people that they have evidence on people somewhere – they may give the city, or even an area but not much more details. They will say this is the evidence blah blah, and then when the raids happen, these people can come out and say they were not heavy-handed, knee-jerk with no evidence etc.

    Not only sensitive, but potentially a very clever move to co-opt, rather than merely neutralise, potential opponents.

  • peter fallow

    Amsuing to see apologists for Irish sectarian jihad wringing their hands like this, when they are just as much in the sights of the Islamo-facsists as those who believe in a post-Enlightenment view of the world.
    ‘Jo’, the western world should get off its knees and take on these people with all its firepower in the certain knowledge that WE ARE RIGHT and the jihadists fascists with the nihilistic death cult deserve nothing more than anihilation. A war of civilisations? Nonsense. A war forced upon civilisation by gay-killing, women-subdjucating, democracy hating political neanderthals which the west will win. When we are freed from the self hating lies of your feeble political kith and kin.
    On our knees? You ain’t seen nothing yet, useful idiot.

  • Red Hand Luke

    lol peter fallow, the only reason Jo gets down on her knees is to give head 🙂

  • Shuggie McSporran

    peter fallow

    Which post enlightenment western philosophy do you subscribe to? Fascism or nazism?