Boy’s murder celebrated by some

A video celebrating the murder of Catholic boy Michael McIlveen is doing the rounds in Ballymena. It only came to light after it was sent to a Protestant friend of the victim. It seems the kicking of this child to death has struck a particular chord with some British loyalists as McIlveen’s name was also put on an Irish Tricolour ready to be burnt at a loyalist 11th Night bonfire in Ahoghill and elsewhere, already discussed at length here. Sinn Féin Councillor Monica Digney has even gone so far as to accuse DUP Councillor Roy Gillespie of helping to build the Ahoghill bonfire without lifting “a finger to get these flags removed or use their influence in any way”.

  • Peking

    george
    Have you just landed from another planet?
    The issues you highlight are almost a fortnight old and have been discussed here ad nausem.

  • Irish in America

    Just b/c it has been discussed in the past doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be remembered and discussed further. Mickey Bo doesn’t belong in the dustbin of history. Those people are SICK.

  • piebald

    The first i heard of a DUP councillor helping to build the bonfire.

    any comment on this Fair_Deal ?

    Well spotted George

  • jaun

    it just goes to show you Those people (do you mean teenagers in deprived circumstances or prods?) can be just as bad as anyone else

    “we didnt get king billy but we got billy king”

    to highlight outrages perpatrated by individuals too try and tar (so to speak) a whole people with the same brush reminds me very strongely of the tactics used by the BNP round our way with regards to black crime issues, the people this video “struck a chord with” are kids in ghettoes, look at any other deprived area in the western world and you will see a similar brutalisation of young minds,
    oh sorry i forgot, they are prods and the dirty pigs were born that way, pardon me.

  • circles

    No need to get all defensive Jaun, nor roll out the usual whataboutery! Nobody has said anything remotely similar to what your reacting on.
    This is just simply wrong and anyone with a moral conscience should see it as such – the “poor teenagers in deprived circumstances” thing does not wash in this case – in fact I fail to see why you even mentioned it. This was made be people with a severe sickness, there is no excusing this with the “ahh the poor lambs” arguments.

  • Greenflag

    DUP Councillor Gillespie’s name for those like O’Neill who are into ‘ancient irish lineage’ is from the Irish Giolla an Easpaig, pronounced (Gyullah uhn Asspig) or servant of the bishop. In light( pun intended) of the Councillor’s incendiary efforts to promote love and peace and understanding in Ahoghill perhaps he could change his name to Giolla an tine (Gyullah Uhn Tineh ) or (servant of the fire) . A dash of anglicisation which would be to the Councillor’s taste (him being a Unionist) would result in Gilletine . Throw in a U for Ulster and an O for the Orange Order and it would be Guillotine . Sounds just like the kind of place for Gillespie to place that part of his anatomy that is supposed to contain a cerebral cortex:(

    I now read that German and American scientists in a cooperative venture are working on ‘outing’ the complete neanderthal genome at the Max Planck Institute in Germany. They are planning to work on the DNA extract found from ancient neanderthal bones a long and difficult process .

    Perhaps these scientists might want to consider live samples from a certain councillor in the neighbourhood of Ahoghill as a means of expediting their research ?

  • Peter Fallow

    I remember being at a Cliftonville / Glentoran match back in the day and hearing en masse, to the tune of the Primark ad of the time:
    “Seawright, got a hole in his head for Christmas
    And his wife’s gonna get one too.”
    (re murder of George Seawright)

    It happens all the time on both sides. Is anyone surprised by this?!

  • “This depth of behaviour would not have been seen in the southern states of America by the worst elements of the Ku Klux Klan.”
    ballymenatoday

    God is really pissed at you when you have to praise the Kluxers for moral rectitude.

    Beware angry gods, especially those with a sense of humor.

  • Prince Eoghan

    The usual whatabout apologists are out again, they have no shame.

    On a better note;

    “Cllr Tommy Nicholl, former DUP Mayor who visited the McIlveen family in the wake of Michael’s death, has called for the PSNI to investigate the video.
    He said: “It’s disgusting. If it’s circulating, it’s about time the police did something about it and removed the images from circulation.
    “This is something no one from the unionist community would be in favour of at all.
    “Unionist people want to live in peace with their neighbours, and that was a theme I promoted when I was mayor.
    “The majority of Protestant people are not anti-Catholic. The majority of people in the Protestant community believe in civil and religious liberty for all.”

    I know nothing of councillor Nicholl, but I wish that what he was saying was true. If him and his friends in the DUP helped act out these words, it would go a long way to help defeat the obvious sickness.

  • TAFKABO

    The only thing really worth noting about this incident is the way new technologies are being implemented to perpetuate old problems.
    Makes me wonder what the brave new world of tomorrow will be about?

    Joyriders stealing jetpacks and 11th night laserfires by the looks of it.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    TAFKABO: “The only thing really worth noting about this incident is the way new technologies are being implemented to perpetuate old problems. ”

    Great… just spiffy… high-tech spides.

    Will wonders never cease.

  • ben

    “jaun”, is it part of your Protestant Christian ideals that makes you so happy about the bludgeoning to death of a teenager? Is it part of your Worship of your Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ and your Right To March Down The Queen’s Highway that makes this prospect so attractive to you? What is the reason, what is the mentality, what is the justification you have for doing anything other than condemning this action unreservedly and unconditionally? Why do you have to qualify and snipe about irrelevant and other unrelated things? You can’t just draw a line and say, loudly and ambiguously, THIS IS WRONG. Why is that? What’s wrong with you?

    Next time you’re bleating about why you lot are roundly despised around the world — that’s why. Because you enjoy the murder of children and make feeble, hypocritical excuses for it.

  • binlid

    “The only thing really worth noting about this incident is the way new technologies are being implemented to perpetuate old problems”

    It’s sad that this is the only thing you find worth noting about this incident.
    God forbid that we would recognise that sick individuals in this ‘protestant town’ (IP jr) are unable to demonstrate any sympathy or respect for the young man or his grieving family.

  • TAFKABO

    It’s sad, but let’s be honest, it’s not surprising. I mantain that it isn’t newsworthy that some people are sick stupid bastards, who didn’t know that already?.
    I’m fascinated by the way sick stupid bastards are using new technologies.

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C
    Hi all,

    The EU have laws regarding inciting hatred via the web and cyberspace. These images are being sent via electronic means and per the laws of the EU are illegal and the british gov’t should be questioned why they are not rooting out hate groups. The Council of Europe adoped measures that criminalize…”any written material, any image or any other representation of ideas or theories, which advocates, promotes or incites hatred, discrimination or violence, against any individual or group of individuals, based on race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin, as well as religion if used as pretext for any of these factors.

    The laws of the EU have been broken by these people and they should be arrest and prosecuted. Maybe the EU representative of the area should be working on this.

  • harpo

    ‘It’s sad that this is the only thing you find worth noting about this incident.
    God forbid that we would recognise that sick individuals in this ‘protestant town’ (IP jr) are unable to demonstrate any sympathy or respect for the young man or his grieving family.’

    binlid:

    But it’s true. This sickness did not start with the mass availability of mobile phone technology. It’s been right there all along, where innocent victims have been mocked and shown no sympathy or respect.

    I recall some of the filth that came from sick minds within nationalism after the Shankill fish shop bomb. There was lots of it being spread via the internet at one point. Michelle Williamson came in for a lot of it. Her ‘crime’ of course was to complain about the supposedly wonderful PIRA.

    The same applies to the McCartney family, and for similar reasons.

    The sick minds are there in both communities and we see continual examples of the sickness. This stuff on mobile phones is just the latest version of it.

  • lib2016

    “I’m fascinated by the way sick stupid bastards are using new technologies.”

    Tafkabo,

    Most of the nationalists on this board would agree with you. 😉

  • fair_deal

    piebald

    1. As I said at the time the flags were a disgrace.
    2. I saw this claim at the time. Ms Digney offers nothing to prove her claim and there is nothing I am aware of that has emerged to since then to prove it either. Bonfire building is not the usually a job that old men involve themselves in, much more of a youth activity. So I will treat it with the shoveful of salt until there is something to verify the claim.

  • harpo

    ‘ “jaun”, is it part of your Protestant Christian ideals that makes you so happy about the bludgeoning to death of a teenager?’

    ben:

    Where did Juan say anything about being happy about the situation?

  • lib2016

    …and along comes a bit of ‘whataboutery’ from harpo to prove my point. Yeesh!

  • TAFKABO

    Lib.

    Touché.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    If him [Tommy Nicholl] and his friends in the DUP helped act out these words, it would go a long way to help defeat the obvious sickness.

    Nicholl has. Some of his DUP colleagues have failed to support him.

  • jacko

    Laughable the way people on Slugger refer to sectarian hatred in the abstract as if they are above that sort of thing themselves.
    The barely concealed sectarian hatred and stereotyping that goes on here day and daily, particularly by those who are first to point to evidence of it in the wider community, is pathetic.

  • Ahoghill resident

    Monica Digney is quoted at saying the following:

    “Indeed Cllr Gillespie was seen helping to build a bonfire in Ahoghill in the middle of the day and did not do anything to remove the flag referring to Michael McIlveen which he undoubtedly would have seen.”

    I live near the bonfire site and there was no flag evident when I came home from work (6pm or so) – it appeared later in the evening. So, if Roy Gillespie was indeed on the site of the bonfire in the middle of the day, I’m pretty sure the flag wouldn’t have been there for him to see.

    So, as per usual, Monica wasn’t content with the horrific story as it stood, she had to embellish it a wee bit. I’m sure she wouldn’t have been standing around the bonfire to see her fellow councillor in person.

    Incidentally, I’m pretty sure Roy Gillespie has little or no sway with the self-styled “Ahoghill Young Loyalists”. Twenty years ago he probably would have had, but now the wee hoods think he’s as much of an eejit as everybody else. So even if he had tried to get the flag removed I doubt there would have been much heed taken.

  • harpo

    ‘…and along comes a bit of ‘whataboutery’ from harpo to prove my point. Yeesh!’

    lib:

    Where is the whataboutery? I was just agreeing with the point about new technology being used by sick minds.

    The internet was useful for certain sick minds when it came to mocking the victims of the Shankill fish shop bomb.

  • Prince Eoghan

    “If him [Tommy Nicholl] and his friends in the DUP helped act out these words, it would go a long way to help defeat the obvious sickness.”

    “Nicholl has. Some of his DUP colleagues have failed to support him.”

    BG.

    I have never heard of him, does he keep himself to himself? or has he been muzzled? It’s just that we are forever seeing the unnatractive image of the DUP, and I for one would like to see more of this.

    Harpo.

    At the moment those of a tendency to be as infantile and credibly challenged are flocking to your standard. I’m sure Unionists must cringe every time you post. I know I do.

  • Loyal Ulsterman

    This is the first time I’d heard either of the video, or of the DUP rep helping to build the bonfire even though it had the Michael McIlveen flag on top – so thank you George for the news.

    It is truly, deeply sickening. I think we unionists must demand of our politicians that they truly start tackling this problem of vile, murderous sectarianism within our community. I know a few unionist MLAs of both parties and I know they’d be appalled by this and they do speak out against it – but we really need something much more.

    I remember looking at the Bebo comments (which were linked to from here) after Michael McIlveen’s death and just feeling astounded at the raw bigotry and sectarianism of the people posting – most of whom were wee kids, barely teenagers, from both sides.

    More than anything it makes me think that if this generation of politicians dont set a stable basis for the future, we’ll have this generation of youngsters coming up who are profoundly divided against themselves – unless we, now, all of us, set the right example and establish stable structures of governance, and lead our young in the right direction, lest our wee Northern Ireland suffer yet another generation of bloodshed.

  • Prince Eoghan

    LU.

    Well said!!!!

  • Peking

    Loyal Ulsterman

    Yes and we all believe you’re for real, too.
    Republican toss pot.

  • harpo

    ‘At the moment those of a tendency to be as infantile and credibly challenged are flocking to your standard.’

    Prince:

    Is that right? Proof please.

    ‘I’m sure Unionists must cringe every time you post.’

    You think so? Why not ask some of them if they do?

    ‘I know I do.’

    Why’s that then? Scared of open debate?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Harpo.

    “Why’s that then? Scared of open debate?”

    Posted by harpo on Jul 21, 2006 @ 08:36 PM

    Debate is not your strong point. You seem to have lots of strong points, though none that should emerge in polite company. On this and many other threads the level of ignorance shown is quite unpalateable, but surely this is your intention?

    Asking you to post in a sensitive considerate manner without using whataboutery to promote hate, would be akin to asking an Italian to converse without using his hands. Indeed without using whataboutery, I doubt if you could indulge in even the most shallow of debates.

    On another note. Why is it that when a Unionist isn’t going on about Nationalists in a derogatory manner, he is immediately jumped on as being an imposter. Puzzling.

  • hurlyburly

    Deeply depressing as usual. One thing I hate is the rampant paranoia. Loyal Ulsterman posted and he might be a troll fair enough but people read comments and make an automatic assumption that its an organised political attempt to rile them personally. What if the comment is genuine? Have you read it or were you typing the reply as soon as you saw it?

    Tafkabos point re technology was fair also mobile phones are just a more sophisticated means of shouting over the peace line and hurling rocks

  • hurlyburly

    On another note. Why is it that when a Unionist isn’t going on about Nationalists in a derogatory manner, he is immediately jumped on as being an imposter. Puzzling.

    Prince Eoghan

    Prince Eoghan you make my point eloquently. Its like some unionists are embarrassed that some unionists can be unionists without being bigots.

    Letting the side down so to speak.

  • hurlyburly

    forgot about micks auto censor the word deleted rhyhmes with…actually doesnt rhyme with anything but work it out its “big0ts”

  • Loyal Ulsterman

    I’m not a troll. I wanted to be anonymous because I work in the public sector.

    I’m a unionist and I’m genuinely concerned about this. Peking, why do you have a problem with what I said?

    I said it as a Unionist, I’d say the same to republicans about their sectarianism, but this thread is about our sectarianism, and I think we unionists need to root it out – which means looking within ourselves – i.e. where the roots are.

    We can’t have another generation growing up like this.

  • harpo

    ‘Asking you to post in a sensitive considerate manner without using whataboutery to promote hate’

    Prince:

    Where did anyone agree to post in a sensitive considerate manner?

    And where have I used whataboutery to promote hate?

    I see that having given up debating you are now trying the line that you are superior to me when it comes to debating. On the basis that you are supposedly sensitive and considerate, and I am not.

    I don’t see why anyone should be sensitive and considerate when it comes to terrorists, and supporters of terrorists. If they don’t like Bobby Sands and other terrorists being mocked/attacked, that is their problem.

    When you get your teeth into someone you don’t like I haven’t seen too much of this sensitivity and consideration you talk about, but then accusing me of not being sensitive or considerate is just a tactic on your part to avoid debating. You say it as if others should just swallow it. And you throw in the references to things like ‘polite company’ as if you live in such company and I don’t.

    Stop putting on airs of superiority. You’re just scared to debate.

  • binlid

    “I live near the bonfire site and there was no flag evident when I came home from work (6pm or so) – it appeared later in the evening”

    Early enough for there still to have been daylight and enough time for the ‘good’ people of Ahogill to express their disgust and have it removed………………..or just ignore it.

  • piebald

    “1. As I said at the time the flags were a disgrace.”

    fair enough fair deal – you did

    “2. I saw this claim at the time. Ms Digney offers nothing to prove her claim and there is nothing I am aware of that has emerged to since then to prove it either. Bonfire building is not the usually a job that old men involve themselves in, much more of a youth activity. So I will treat it with the shoveful of salt until there is something to verify the claim.”

    i only asked you because you seem to have the inside track in DUP land, no matter what parish that may be in.

    i would agree that Older people tend not to get involved in the building of these things as it was too passe for me around 15 or 16 when we were building the Halloween versions.

    also don’t like these exaggerated claims if they are without substance as if Clr Gillespie put it up himself – there seems to be a big difference between the incident in Castlederg and this one in that Castlederg happened earlier in the day when “the adrenaline” wasn’t pumping quite so hard.

    piebald

  • piebald

    castlederg should read Castlecaulfield

  • Billy Ghoti

    It’s interesting that Ben takes a kettle and pot attitude to a matter that should be of concern to us all, regardless of our religious beliefs, behaviour or practices.

  • doctor who

    “Great… just spiffy… high-tech spides”

    Uncanny, this was the phrase I´ve been looking to describe yourself.

    Dread your post is the web equivalent to a self portrait

  • Peking

    Loyal Ulsterman
    Aye, dead on.
    “Our wee Northern Ireland” – only republicans and Give My Head Peace scriptwriters think that unionists talk like that.

  • piebald

    “Aye,
    dead on.
    “Our wee Northern Ireland” – only republicans and Give My Head Peace scriptwriters think that unionists talk like that.” peking

    no. 2
    Ordinary Dacent Law Abiding Prodastants

    myth or reality ?

  • Ahoghill resident

    Binlid:

    “Early enough for there still to have been daylight and enough time for the ‘good’ people of Ahogill to express their disgust and have it removed………………..or just ignore it.”

    I don’t know when the flag went up but when I saw it there wasn’t much daylight left. That aside, anybody who knows anything about N.I. knows that speaking out against a bunch of drunken “loyalist” imbeciles at 10pm on the 11th of July isn’t likely to get you too far. Might get you a few smashed windows for your trouble though.

    Local politicians don’t have much influence – I reckon the only people who would have been able to get the flag removed are the senior paramilitary hard men who could scare the young idiots.

    Given the short time scale (3 hours or so at the most) between flag appearing and bonfire being lit, it’s not surprising not much negotiation was possible. Tragic that the actions of a very small number of scumbags gets the whole Borough’s name dragged through the mud, much to the glee of Sinn Fein and their friends.

  • faartrick

    lu
    other generations will face bloodshed anyhow, because ireland unfree shall never be at peace

  • TAFKABO

    Your mind unfree shall never be at peace.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Harpo.

    Quite right I did come away like a superior prick, apologies.

    I was getting weary of your insensitive attitude when dealing with the dead, especially fenian dead. Now this thread is about a young boy murdered by sectarian idiots, instead of showing a modicum of sensitivity what do you do. The usual whataboutery and no little promotion of sectarian hatred yourself. Honest check back.

    Now all I am doing is telling you straight that there is a time and a place for trolling, if that is your thing. I don’t know sometimes if that is your intention, but regardless this isn’t the place, not my say so, just the way society measures decency. Not having a go this time ok, being sincere.

    BTW. What’s all this about me not being a sensitive chap? the very thought. Peace Harpo.

  • TAFKABO

    Now this thread is about a young boy murdered by sectarian idiots,

    Is it?

  • TAFKABO

    I mean, one might think that this thread isn’t so much abut the sectarian murder of a young man as wringing every last possible drop of self righteous indignation out of the sectarian murder of a young man.

    How many variations on the theme of a few loyalist spides acting like, well like Loyalist spides, are there?

    I guess we’re gonna find out.

    Talk about flogging a………uh, maybe not.

    , Oh, and if any of you find me or my posts callous and insensitive?, I find your mawkish posturing over the stil warm corpse quite sickening, so I guess we’re probably about even

  • Prince Eoghan

    Only in your world TAF, only in your world.

  • binlid

    Ahoghill resident,

    “I reckon the only people who would have been able to get the flag removed are the senior paramilitary hard men who could scare the young idiots.”

    I assume these ‘young idiots’ have parents whose ‘traditional’ values and beliefs have been instilled in their offspring.
    As you live in Ahoghill, has there been any discussion around the community about who is responsible or what the way forward is to ensure the ‘good name of the borough is not dragged through the mud’, again, as it does seem to be becoming a rather regular occurence.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Dr. Who: “Uncanny, this was the phrase I´ve been looking to describe yourself. ”

    Now there is a useful contribution…

    Tell me, Who, what would you call the sort of person who makes a tape celebrating the death of a child?

    If I treat them with contempt, its for their behavior.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    TAFKABO: “I mean, one might think that this thread isn’t so much abut the sectarian murder of a young man as wringing every last possible drop of self righteous indignation out of the sectarian murder of a young man. ”

    Were it not being celebrated and used as a half-assed scourge by Loyalists, would it continue to be an issue? Negative feed-back loop — the more its brought back up, the more it will be brought back up.

  • binlid, what you need to understand is that, as Ahoghill resident said, if you poke your head above the parapet in that particular village you won’t be thanked.
    There does need to be a combined community action but most people are too scared of the hoods and their masters to do anything.
    A member of my family tried to challenge popular attitudes, through letters to the paper and other means and we got called all sorts.
    Even though I am from a traditional family, with more “credentials” than most of the hoods(army, police, loyal order membership), I myself was not considered a “proper” Prod.

  • binlid

    Cavecanem,

    I’m afraid I do understand.
    Do the local people in Ahoghill not co-operate with the police? if they don’t there is obviously some level of collusion to protect these thugs.
    We regularly hear unionist politicians preaching about the reluctance of republican communities to co-operate with the police, but the increase in sectarian crime appears to be coming from the loyalist/unionist side of the divide along with what appears to be a deafening silence protecting the purpetrators and many unionist politicians sticking their heads in the sand refusing to address the issue.
    I also think that the parents should shoulder some of the responsibility, these views are nurtured, therefore the problem doesn’t only lie with the local hoods.

  • Well, to add, I am a big wimpy hypocrite because I high-tailed it out of there as soon as I got a driving license.
    When I lived there the police didn’t have an awful lot of respect amongst youngsters, I heard them being called “black bastards” in the past (Oh, the irony).
    Again, it is fear of being discovered as “the one who rang the cops”. In a small village, you can find out if you want to.
    Of course the parents are, in my view, mostly, to blame. Seven year olds who called a 16 year-old me a “fenian” (I’m not, but that isn’t the point) obviously learned the language from somewhere.

  • fair_deal

    piebald

    “i only asked you because you seem to have the inside track in DUP land”

    Fair enough but I haven’t hurt owt about it on any of my grapevines

  • audley

    Seems like an awful waste of effort by the orangemen. Instead of killing Catholics and then burning their names on the bonfire, why not cut to the chase and throw the taigs on the bonfire directly. That would save some effort, and free up some more time to burn out GAA halls and gerrymander elections.

    Law abiding community my hole! Its very easy to abide to laws that were written by their ancestors to suit prods only. Now that some of the issues have been addressed, this is when shit like this comes to the fore and the orangies/plastic brits start throwing wobblers and commiting murders. Unionists are mentally incapable of surviving in any truly democratic society. Hence the lack of support for a bill of rights, no football on a sunday, wanting to kill their own soccer captian because he played for celtic and had the cheek to be RC. There were a few celtic tops burned on the bonfires as well.

    Thank god there is one decent modern european state on this island. Time for repartition for the sake of my childern who only wish to live in peace away from the orange infestation. God help those who are left behind with the unionist vermin. But at least some of us will be free.

  • omg

    audley

    “Its very easy to abide to laws that were written by their ancestors to suit prods only”

    what laws are these exactly ??????????

    “this is when shit like this comes to the fore and the orangies/plastic brits start throwing wobblers and commiting murders”

    fenians and plastic taigs have been killing prods for decades.

    “Unionists are mentally incapable of surviving in any truly democratic society. Hence ……………no football on a sunday”

    Speaks for itself

    “Time for repartition for the sake of my childern who only wish to live in peace away from the orange infestation”

    Why not just buy a rail ticket to dublin, it would be easier for all of us. Whats that you said, Oh no dont worry about that, they have social security down there to, and yes im sure theyll get you another council house, and free prescriptions.

    “God help those who are left behind with the unionist vermin”

    hopefully, they will follow you to dublin with a bit of luck.

    Actually audley, i think you have a good idea in the making there, could all provettes please board the enterprise to dublin !!!! lol

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  • Peter Fallow

    The next time anyone disputes the depth of sectarianism in the nationalist psyche, I shall refer them to Audley’s post. Fair play to you for having the balls not to dress up your hatred in the usual euphemisms so prevalent round here.

  • binlid

    Peter,

    Audley might just be a troll you know.
    Using language like that he/she is certainly not a nationalist and definatley not a republican. Falls into the category of feckwit IMO.

  • binlid

    omg,

    you obviously have a poor sense of humour.

  • Mike

    binlid

    “Using language like that he/she is certainly not a nationalist and definatley not a republican”

    ?????????????????????

  • audley

    “The next time anyone disputes the depth of sectarianism in the nationalist psyche, I shall refer them to Audley’s post.”

    There should be a gullibility test before posting on here. I owuld say the sectarianism problem lies closer to home if all you need is one post from a troll to conclude that all nationalists views are as above.

  • binlid

    Mike

    “Using language like that he/she is certainly not a nationalist and definatley not a republican”

    ?????????????????????

    Read the post again , if you can’t see it you have been voting DUP for too long.

  • Londonderry Loyal

    A typical sinn fein response is to shout allegations!! Show us the eveidence why dont you Monica??

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