On human rights violations..

Following on from the PIRA statement, quickly released in reponse to the Police Ombudsmans report on Jean McConville, as well as the subsequent analysis by Mick here on Slugger and elsewhere, Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams held a press briefing today where he announced that there had been meetings over the past 10 months between PIRA members and the forensic expert appointed by the British government to investigate potential sites where the missing bodies of those adbucted and murdered by PIRA may be located. According to the BBC report, Gerry Adams described some of those involved in the meetings as “primary sources” – ie “people who were there when the killings took place – either transporting those who were killed, or in fact killed those who were killed or buried those who were killed.” Update Tommie Gorman’s RTÉ report[RealPlayer video] More see belowThe BBC report notes that:

The way the IRA dealt with the bodies of those they abducted and murdered was “a human rights violation”, Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams has said.

Although, it’s also worth noting that there is no indication that he accepts that the abductions and murders themselves were also human rights violations.. and the BBC report also notes that Gerry Adams “would not be drawn on the issue of Jean McConville”.

Important to remember at this point the legacy of Mo Mowlam’s years as Secreatry of State, although it’s impossible to tell how much of a hand she personally had in the legislation. As reported by RTÉ in April 1999:

The IRA has indicated that they know the location of the graves of seven people killed by the organisation. The joint independent commission will facilitate the location of the victims’ remains. There will be immunity from prosecution in respect of any evidence gathered in the operation.[added emphasis]

That immunity from prosecution, in particular in relation to the use in court of any forensics, is more than likely still part of any potential operation.

Update Mick’s post and the associated Irish Times report carries fuller quotes from the press briefing[subs req]:

Clarification on what Gerry Adams sees as the “human rights violation”:

It is a human rights violation that they didn’t have their remains to be buried,” he said, also making reference to “the whole other issue of the 3,000 people who were killed in the course of the conflict”.[added emphasis]

And his refusal to answer Gerry Moriarty’s questions on Jean McConville:

He was further asked by The Irish Times was he not avoiding what many believed was a key question: was the IRA justified in killing Jean McConville? Mr Adams replied: “I am not going to answer the question. I don’t trust the way you would carry such an interview.”

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  • Peking

    Damage limitation, if such a thing is possible.

  • Stephen Copeland

    Maybe the question has been asked before – if so I missed the answer, so I’ll ask anyway:

    Over what period was Scap in a position to know about these things? One presumes that the British, through him, know where all the bodies from his period as head of the ‘nutting squad’ are.

    Same goes for all of the other agents. If there really were so many, then surely none of these things are really secret.

    It seems that one of four things must be true;
    1. There weren’t really so many agents, at least not near the top of the IRA,
    2. The British know more than they are letting on, in order to extract maximum embarrassment from the IRA,
    3. There weren’t really so many agents, and the actual perpetrators of the disappearings have, themselves, died and taken their secrets with them,
    4. There is goodwill, but the memories are bad (if burials were done in the dark by scared kids they probably didn’t think too much about where they were), or the physical appearance of the sites has changed (through afforestation, new roads, new houese, etc)

  • Michael McGowan

    Well, what do you expect? Mo Mowlam was an IRA sympathiser, like many members of New Labour. Unlike the thousands murdered by the IRA, she had the luxury of dying in her bed.

  • Henry94

    If the IRA have learned anything it is that they will get no credit whatsoever for doing the right thing at any stage.

    At least outside the republican community. But they should do it anyway. It is impossible for everything to be resolved but what can be done should be done.

  • Agreed Henry.

    I am glad that the IRA are doing at least this much. I would also echo Gerry’s sentiments as I did on my own Balrog post last Saturday.

  • TL

    Honestly, if we look at the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the way these people were treated BEFORE they were buried is the human rights violation.

  • Turbo Paul

    Anything that helps the victims families along the long hard road to closure is welcome.

    Should more be done, of course.

    The deal that was done to get to this stage, lets get them home and then have the debate.

  • TAFKABO

    Awww, poor ickle IRA, so misunderstood……

    Ferfuxsake catch a grip would ye?
    They kidnapped, tortured and killed innocent people.
    And people feel sorry if they don’t get praise for telling the truth?

  • Stephen Copeland

    TAFKABO,

    … They kidnapped, tortured and killed innocent people.

    And through Scap, so did the British ‘security’ services. Does that not cause you a moment of concern? It seems that the IRA are doing something to try to resolve the situation. Why has Scap not been brought back to point out a few spots in the bog?

  • joeCanuck

    Shush folks.
    I agree with Turbo Paul. Let’s wait and hope that the remains of the disappeared are returned to their loved ones, then we can engage the debate.
    There’s altogether too much screaming and “whataboutery” on this blog.

  • TL

    I think it is a bit disingenuous to speak of the ‘human rights violation’ re: the burial. And all this talk of ‘bringing them home.’ Well THEY aren’t coming home are they, it’ll be there bones I believe? GA should have never used that phrase.

  • TL

    That is the “human rights” phrase I was speaking of there.

  • Irish in America

    That’s right SC, where’s Scap (and all those other agents!) to answer these questions?!?

    BTW-my guess is both #1 and 2 are closest to being right.

  • TAFKABO

    And through Scap, so did the British ‘security’ services. Does that not cause you a moment of concern?

    Yes it does, considerably more than a moment of concern

    It seems that the IRA are doing something to try to resolve the situation. Why has Scap not been brought back to point out a few spots in the bog?

    I have no idea, but neither can I see it as particularly relevant to this discussion.

  • Stephen Copeland

    TAFKABO,

    … but neither can I see it as particularly relevant to this discussion.

    Come on – it has everything to do with the discussion. The intro quoted the BBC as follows:

    The way the IRA dealt with the bodies of those they abducted and murdered was “a human rights violation”, Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams has said.

    Now the point is that some of those bodies were (I imagine) ‘dealt with’ by Scap. That means that the information on their whereabouts is probably in British hands! The British have the power to give some of the relatives closure, but are sitting on the information! And British info is in files, not in the heads of (maybe dead) IRA men, so they cannot claim that it is lost. It is way beyond shitty of them not to release it.

  • harpo

    ‘Awww, poor ickle IRA, so misunderstood……

    Ferfuxsake catch a grip would ye?
    They kidnapped, tortured and killed innocent people.
    And people feel sorry if they don’t get praise for telling the truth?’

    TAFKABO:

    That’s the laugh here isn’t it? Every time the PIRA or their political wing says something on these issues, the drone supporters come onto boards like this to whine about the poor PIRA not getting credit for this or that. Or as several have done on this thread to praise the PIRA for supposedly doing the right thing.

    As usual it’s all about the PIRA and the feelings of its members, not the actual victims.

    What a farce. When you’ve murdered for years, I don’t see that civilized people have any obligation to thank you for acting in a civilized way for once. It’s like expecting a battered wife to be thankful to her husband for not battering her for a fortnight.

    No thanks should be forthcoming for what most of the rest of us did all the time – act in a civilized way.

    Of course within all of this smokescreen of the Provos doing something about finding the bodies and praise for it, the underlying fact remains that these terrorists killed whoever they wanted whenever they wanted, and were cheered on by these same drone supporters who would buy any tale put forth about people being informers.

    And the drones are still defending the PIRA for killing Jean McConville on the basis that she was an informer. They haven’t provided any proof that she was an informer yet. They are still at the ‘yes she was’ in response to the claims of ‘no she wasn’t’. Yet the drones expect the PIRA to be praised? What a bunch of clowns.

  • TAFKABO

    Stephen.

    I don’t accept your reasoning.you are making leaps and assumptions that I can see no real reason to make.
    Why do you assume Scap is directly involved in this issue, or that he was an agent of the British acting with their full knowledge at the time?
    Or even that they have the power to compel him to admit his involvement today?

    I think you are just trying to muddy the waters here

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Harpo: “That’s the laugh here isn’t it? Every time the PIRA or their political wing says something on these issues, the drone supporters come onto boards like this to whine about the poor PIRA not getting credit for this or that. Or as several have done on this thread to praise the PIRA for supposedly doing the right thing. ”

    Nobody like to climb down from their lofty positions, even (or perhaps especially) if they’re not entirely real. I will have to give them credit for the climb-down, if it produces results. No, it does not extirpate the original crime, but it takes one more thing off the table. What will Unionists complain about, should the table ever become barren of Republican misdeeds?

  • harpo

    ‘Now the point is that some of those bodies were (I imagine) ‘dealt with’ by Scap. That means that the information on their whereabouts is probably in British hands! The British have the power to give some of the relatives closure, but are sitting on the information! And British info is in files, not in the heads of (maybe dead) IRA men, so they cannot claim that it is lost. It is way beyond shitty of them not to release it.’

    Stephen:

    I always marvel at the way Provo drones will turn anything around so that it ends up being the fault of the Brits.

    That is an amazing piece of whataboutery.

    I don’t suppose you could actually provide evidence of that chain of information could you?

    The only 2 words you got right in that fantasy were ‘I imagine’. The rest of it is a lot of presumptions on your part.

    ‘Scap must have been involved, so the Brits know about it, and aren’t they horrible those evil Brits for sitting on that information?’

    Are you clowns ever going to take responsibility for anything that the PIRA did, or do you have to invent these fantasies every time to make you feel better about PIRA atrocities?

  • harpo

    ‘What will Unionists complain about, should the table ever become barren of Republican misdeeds?’

    Dread:

    I doubt that the table will ever become barren of IR misdeeds. Given the glacial pace at which they move I doubt this issue will be finally resolved for another 10 years or so.

    Given that there are hundreds of other such misdeeds, I doubt that any of us posting here today will live to see them all dealt with.

    ‘Nobody like to climb down from their lofty positions’

    Exactly what lofty position is the PIRA in here? After decades of denial of any involvement, the PIRA has moved from the supposed ‘lofty position’ of ‘we don’t know anythinmg about this’ to ‘we killed her but we don’t know where the body is’ to ”we killed her, and we helped find her body, but hey – she was still an informer’.

    Lofty? LOL

    Forgive me once again if serial killers who co-operate with the authorities to find the bodies of their victims aren’t the first people on my list of people that I feel thankful towards.

    What’s next on your list – 3 cheers for the remaining members of the Shankill Butchers for not butchering anyone recently?

  • Irish in America

    Harpo,

    Are you seriously denying the Scap “question” that SC proposes? Now, YOU are the one in denial. Of course the PIRA did bad things. However, the Brits were involved in many of those (i.e. through their agents like Scap/KF/DD/etc.) Nationalists are merely asking why isn’t anyone asking the Brits where these bodies are, if they’ve got such good sources.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Harpo: “Exactly what lofty position is the PIRA in here? After decades of denial of any involvement, the PIRA has moved from the supposed ‘lofty position’ of ‘we don’t know anythinmg about this’ to ‘we killed her but we don’t know where the body is’ to ‘’we killed her, and we helped find her body, but hey – she was still an informer’. ”

    I ne’er said it was a big step. However, coming to grips with the past is not a fast process. I could point out conversations on this board where the whole of several hundred years of history summarized as “yeah, bad things happened, but that was then.” To be fair, both sides do it.

    Look at it as the process of overcoming inertia. Once the ball starts rolling, it becomes hard to stop.

    On the other hand, your comments make my suspision that it will take a generation or two to clear the deck for any real progress seem depressingly accurate.

  • harpo

    ‘Are you seriously denying the Scap “question” that SC proposes?’

    I’m not denying that he asked it, but it is pure fantasy that Scap knew about everything that the PIRA did and told his handlers everything that he knew. That’s what SC is asking us to accept – a perfect train of knowledge, whereby the evil Brits know exactly what happened.

    Do you really think that is how informing works?

    This is just a way to deflect attention from the people who abducted, killed and buried these bodies – the PIRA themselves.

    People like SC and you will grasp at any straw, and thus when any action that the PIRA took is questioned these days, the fact that you know that informers existed gives you a ready made excuse to trot out – that the Brits must have known about the action.

    You need to prove that this is the case, not just assume it. So do you or SC have any proof, or are you just inventing conspiracy theories to show that in the end, it’s the Brits that the attention should be on here?

  • harpo

    ‘However, coming to grips with the past is not a fast process.’

    Dread:

    No shit.

    ‘On the other hand, your comments make my suspision that it will take a generation or two to clear the deck for any real progress seem depressingly accurate.’

    Well sorry for introducing a little reality into discussions. I’m sorry for questioning the poor PIRA who after all have done nothing here other than abduct and murder a woman, dispose of her body, lie about their involvement, do nothing for decades to correct those lies, eventually admit their involvement, eventually help find the body, yet still maintain that she was an informer when there is no evidence of it. I don’t see any decks being cleared there. The PIRA is still denying they did anything wrong, although their political puppet admits that the disappearing of the body bit was a human rights violation. They are still saying she was an informer, and he is still avoiding the issue of the abduction and murder, and whether those were human rights violations too.

    Call me cynical but there isn’t much there to feel encouraged about.

    And this is all over one issue concerning one death. Think of all the others.

    I’d say the real hurdle in clearing the decks is going to be getting many nationalists to stop believing that blowing up women and children on the street of places like Warrington, or disappearing middle-aged civilians was somehow part of a war.

    Most unionists are at the point of calling terrorists terrorists, but many nationalists are not. They want one side to be terrorists, and the other side to be freedom fighters. To do that they have to ignore the Warringtons and Jean McConvilles, or make up nonsense to excuse them. That’s the hurdle that has to be overcome.

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    Hi all,

    Gerry Adams is really starting to irrate me. Who’s side is he on? On the evening of the 12th where the orange order will be marching in triumph over Catholic neighbors…and on the eve where the protestants have bonfires that burn in effigy the Pope…he wants to diffuse the negativity so desperately for Ian Paisly and the orange order that he comes out and states the IRA where in violation of human rights…this so gerry adams will get some world wide press…is he so desperate for the limelight?

  • harpo

    “Republicans clearly know that to move forward, they have to be seen to be attempting to deal with the past.”

    Now there’s truth in that statement – the Provos know that they have to be SEEN to be attempting to deal with the past. That will satisfy a lot of people, who won’t care that the Provos aren’t actually dealing with the past, but instead are just going through the motions to make it look like they are doing something.

    The Provos don’t care about the disappeared or their families – all they care about is the image of the PIRA. That’s the only reason they are doing anything – so that they look like they care at long last. But they don’t.

  • GavBelfast

    Well said, Kathy! Such incisiveness.

    Would it to be too optimistic to hope that they might just do the decent thing and disband, even they have finally out-done themselves in the depraved and macabre stakes.

    (And before anyone says, take the loyalist filth with them.)

  • harpo

    ‘Gerry Adams is really starting to irrate me. Who’s side is he on?’

    Kathy:

    Don’t tell anyone, but he’s working for the Brits. How else can you explain him drawing the spotlight onto PIRA abduction, murder, and disposal of bodies when there is the much more serious matter of OO parades to get worked up about?

    BTW
    Do you think that what the PIRA did was violation of the hunam rights of the victims involved?

  • Reader

    Kathy_C: Gerry Adams is really starting to irrate me.
    Be fair. He has realised that stonewalling on this issue is damaging republicanism, and he is engaged in a bit of damage limitation. What should he do – do you think the remaining bodies should stay hidden?

  • harpo

    ‘He has realised that stonewalling on this issue is damaging republicanism, and he is engaged in a bit of damage limitation.’

    Reader:

    Given that part of his supposed damage limitation exercise involves more stonewalling when he is asked about the human rights violations in abducting and murdering people, do you really think that the Provos are going to look any better out of all of this?

    They have now moved to the point of admitting that the treatment of the bodies was a human rights violation, but the main point remains regarding Jean McConville. The PIRA has said once again that she was an informer, but they haven’t produced any evidence of it.

    If this really was the time for openness and the end of stonewalling, then why the continued stonewalling?

    It’s all very much like the decommissioning scenario. The Provos give a tiny bit to see if people will buy it, and it’s only when they see that it doesn’t satisfy the questions that they do a tiny bit more. Thus instead of full and open disclosure, all we get are the same old words from the PIRA, and puppet Gerry authorized to admit that the treatment of the bodies was a human rights violation.

    I’d say that this isn’t going to satisfy the McConville family, nor should it. The family is going to continue to ask for evidence that she was an informer. What are the Provos going to do next? Claim that they used to have files to prove it, but they were lost at some point?

  • Reader

    Stephen Copeland: Why has Scap not been brought back to point out a few spots in the bog?
    Not sufficiently hands-on in the digging department, perhaps?
    More likely, that the dates were wrong. It looks like Scap wasn’t even potentially involved with most of the disappeared – compare http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/disappeared.htm and http://www.birw.org/Stakeknife.html

  • Irish in America

    Just b/c it’s printed in a book (or on the internet) doesn’t make it fact, but isn’t the McConville-being-an-informer background story in Ed Moloney’s “Secret History of the IRA”? Allegedly she had a transmitter of some sort. Is the evidence you’re hoping the PIRA will provide, the transmitter?!? Being that her kidnap/murder was in 72, the killer MAY be dead, her “interview” transcripts probably were never recorded and the alleged “transmitter” is most likely not in some PIRA evidence storage area/museum. I’m not sure what kind of evidence the PIRA can provide, but I assume you know that.

    Some are more then willing to believe “A Secret History…” when it suits them (“It shows Adams and/or McGuiness must be a tout!!”), but when it doesn’t it’s the worst book in history.

  • harpo

    ‘I’m not sure what kind of evidence the PIRA can provide, but I assume you know that.’

    IIA:

    I really don’t care what the PIRA can or can’t produce, but they have made the claim, so it is up to them to prove it.

    I see you are already covering for them with your suggestions that physical evidence may be missing after so long, but that doesn’t wash. If they have proof of what they say, then let’s see it.

    I presume this is where you will come up with some further fantasy step where Scap or some other Brit agent was sent to destrioy all such evidence so that the Brits could once again make the poor much maligned PIRA look bad. But frankly I don’t care.

    They have to put up or shut up. If they shut up then we can all get on with life, knowing that the PIRA murdered a middle-aged woman for acting decently towards a British soldier.

    As for Moloney’s book, that tale of the transmitter is in there, but then again, Moloney is just quoting what someone in the PIRA told him. If they had told him that little lemon aliens descended from the sky and did it, I’m sure he would have put that in there too.

    The important thing is that all of these PIRA sources who gave the story to the book, and who are behind this latest PIRA statement have to come up with some evidence to prove their claims.

  • Henry94

    Kathy_C

    I suppose it would really iritate some people if the British admitted their human rights violations in ireland.

    You should avoid being a mirror image of such people.

    On the evening of the 12th where the orange order will be marching in triumph over Catholic neighbors

    And if it wasn’t for the IRA they would still be running the north and we all know it. The IRA does not have to hide from the truth. The whole truth.

  • the key quote in this thread is…….

    “Are you clowns ever going to take responsibility for anything that the PIRA did, or do you have to invent these fantasies every time to make you feel better about PIRA atrocities? ”

    maybe i should just take it down to …….

    “Are you clowns ever going to take responsibility for anything ?”

  • Allen R Butler

    If Mrs. McConville was a “tout” then why doesn’t the PIRA put forth evidence to defend this argument?

    If She wasn’t an informer, and the PIRA “ made a mistake” then wouldn’t it be better to come out and say so?

    I am not believing the argument put forth by SF or PIRA on this matter. To say one made the mistake would have far less negative implications attached to it than to say “ We were justified “ ( I’m not saying Murder is Justified)
    It doesn’t wash, and if I was in the PIRA I would be watching my back, as it looks like Gerry is going to hang someone out to dry.

    To have the bodies returned, and some closure for the victim’s families is of course a good thing. I only hope that Gerry realises that this Damage control exercise of his is not going to hold water with anyone who can think. The position taken by SF on this issue cannot be defended unless evidence is produced. More harm than good has been done to the Republican movement by taking this stance. Which irks me not just a little as my views are very Republican.

    AL

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    Hi all,

    What I don’t like about Gerry Adams in all of this—he is spining this event so he will look good…(or so he thinks)the ever so benevolent peacemaker at the expense of others.
    …The IRA sent people in with the forensic experts from britain to give info to find the bodies…It was the IRA who were trying to let the families find some peace to an awful chapter in Ireland’s history….Now what has adams done? As the president of sinn fein he has publicly stated those people who went with the forensic experts were either those who killed the people or transported or buried the bodies. So, he makes it possible for those people-who were acting to give the families peace…they didn’t have to do this…. to be charged with murder or accessory to murder….all on the word of gerry adams. The IRA was doing a good thing to help find the bodies and gerry made sure that he is the one who will come out on top (or so he thinks) at the expense once again of the IRA.
    It seems to me that Gerry Adams himself by this action has become an informer…he informed on the men/women who met with the forensic experts that they were murders or abductors or transportors….
    Gerry Adams….aka…. informer. And another interesting tid bit…Gerry’s big press conference on this issue where he outed IRA people…isn’t on the SF web page as of this momment….all that is on from the 11th is him telling republicans to remain calm as the orange order provokes them….yep…that’s what informers usually do…help the enemy…

  • TL

    Anyone who helped was given immunity.

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    Hi all,
    Dear TL, They might have been given immunity…however it is Gerry Adams that pointed the finger at them as killers, abductors and transporters. Now let me ask you this…if the brit gov’t (whom I do not trust) gave them immunity and oops…their names are leaked or outed some how in the press for the UVF and others to know…then who is responsible for what happens to them? Gerry Adams …. He could have just stated the IRA are working with forensic experts to find the bodies so the families can have peace of mind…ergo no one is in jeopardy…now or in the future….but no…Gerry Adams made sure the world knew that those men or women who helped and cooperated with the brits to find the bodies for the famlies have peace…well, those members of the IRA can be outed in a newspaper…leaked report…and like I said…who’s to blame? Gerry Adams. On a similiar note…the brits and Ireland needed the IRA to put weapons beyond use…and some would say…the brits and Ireland needed Tom Murphy to have that happen….Look what Ireland and the brits did to Tom Murphy….and you think the brits won’t somehow turn on the people Gerry Adams fingered as the killers…abductors….transporters…of the disappeared? Like I said…I don’t like Gerry Adams and I think he is an informer….at least he informed on these IRA people doing a good dead for the families…..

  • TL

    Just to be clear, under no circumstances is attempting to return the bodies of these people “a good deed.” It is a good step, it is necessary for people to heal, it is positive etc…
    As for the rest, if he wanted to inform on these people I’m certain he could have done it in a much more direct fashion.

  • the bastard

    Why were my questions removed? Given that SF has previously leaked names of “accused informers” to the press (as established by the Sunday Times), it is in Adams’ form to leak incorrect names to make himself look better, and it is entirely fair to ask how do we know he hasn’t already? Who knows what tomorrow’s news may bring?

    My comments certainly could not be any worse than calling him an informer as the above comments have done.

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    Hi all
    Dear TL…The IRA did not have to do this…but they did…they did it to help the families heal and have peace…to me that is a good deed. But for so many in the north…when it comes to the IRA it doesn’t matter what they do for peace…whether have a cease-fire, give up arms…no matter what they do…they are always told it isn’t enough and they should do more…it’s just a step …keep walking…do more and more …personally, I’m as sick of that mindset as I am of Gerry Adams. As for adams…a more direct fashion? What could be more direct than having them meet with representatives of the british gov’t….and then holding a press conference to say those who met with the british gov’t…were the killers…abductors and transporters…I think that is a very direct fashion. And one that Gerry thinks makes him look ever so peacemaker….

  • harpo

    ‘this Damage control exercise of his is not going to hold water with anyone who can think’

    Allen:

    Exactly as evidenced by the fact that Provisional supporters do think it holds water, while the rest of us (who can think) say that it doesn’t.

  • harpo

    ‘So, he makes it possible for those people-who were acting to give the families peace…they didn’t have to do this…. to be charged with murder or accessory to murder’

    Kathy:

    Apart from the fact that there is an immunity deal in place for anyone involved (making your comment wrong) what would be so bad if for once if there was some actual justice done?

    You are typical of the Irish American fanatic supporter of the PIRA. To you the issue is not justice being done or the truth coming out, but rather that PIRA people be protected for being charged and possibly jailed.

    If a middle-aged woman was murdered, what would be wrong with the murderers facing justice?

    Are you like many Irish nationalists who invoke ‘the cause’ when any member of any of the IR groups is charged with anything? Under the theory that anything can be done as part of ‘the cause’ and members of IR groups shouldn’t have to answer for anything they do, even if it involves things like raping or killing civilians?

  • harpo

    ‘The IRA did not have to do this…but they did…they did it to help the families heal and have peace’

    Kathy:

    Nonsense. They are only doing it because they are under continuing pressure to resolve this issue.

    If no one had ever asked for the PIRA to do something here – ie no campaign of pressure – the PIRA would have done nothing.