City Council-sponsored bonfire at City Hospital

One of the twelve loyalist bonfires being sponsored collectively to the tune of £24,000 in Belfast has been located in the grounds of Belfast City Hospital’s new car parking site. There have also been reports of loyalists intimidating workers on the site after UFF flags erected from cranes were removed. Loyalists have also erected what can only be described as a 20-foot makeshift sangar at the entrance to the hospital, while local entrepreneurs, no doubt with an eye on that £3.3 million prize, have painted a new mural for the occasion complete with ATAT (All Taigs are Targets) heading and crosshairs, with one of said targets in the middle. Can’t see this bonfire attracting cross-community support any time soon….

  • Moochin photoman

    I was past that site on the Donegall Rd on Fri and today when it was freshly painted (complete with a swastika), which has between the times been painted over.
    100 m or less down the rd are 2houses with a swastika painted on one of the doors.These are both abondoned by the occupants and there is a steel gate over both of them.

  • Moochin photoman

    Forgot to mention that there was a white washed sign on chipboard leaning against the railingswhich was….

    “You Don’t Have to Be a GENIUS to Build Bonfires…..BUT IT HELPS

    (their emphasis)

    A reference to Guiness perhaps tho i thought buckfast and tennants were the preferred tipple

  • Moochin photoman

    Having reviewed from today FTRA & KAT have also been painted over.

  • fair_deal

    1. This is the usual site for a bonfire so its siting does not have some hidden undertone.
    2. As I understand it, the Daily Ireland’s information is incorrect about the City Council funding the bonfire site featured in this article. It is another bonfire site further along the Donegall Road. I went round and checked earlier and it seems to be complying with the City Council requirements.
    3. As for the graffiti, paramilitary flags etc that is a disgrace.

  • frank

    Well done Jackie McDonald and the uff, another step forward for unionism & well worth the funding !!

    KAT : Kill All Taigs

    ATAT : All Taigs Are Targets

    Swastikas painted on the houses of former foreign nationals living in the area.

    Roll on the orange fest !!

  • lib2016

    Careful Frank. Attacking racism apparently makes one a racist.

  • And while all this is going on, unionists have the gall to accuse the SDLP of being ‘sectarian’ because they don’t have any desire to support a useless partitionist football team. Just shows how skewed things are here that they seem to think it’s ok to hold the place to ransom for weeks with bonfire monstrosities and sectarian graffiti and flags and loyalist riots, yet take offence at an uppity-fenian not dancing to their tune regarding the rubbish NI team.

  • Comrade Stalin

    These bonfires in public places are an affront to decency. There is presently one under construction on the Linfield Road near Sandy Row, blocking access and disrupting business in a business park where several hundred people are employed. Ordinary decent folks who just want to do a day’s work cannot possibly condone these bonfires.

    I’m not in any way convinced that the bonfires are popular. Local people know that they damage the road surface, crack the windows on local houses, and leach toxic chemicals into the air, and create a bad impression in the neighbourhood. Worst of all they attract paramiltary shows of strength, all night drinking and loud music. Some bonfires are placed on grassy areas and football pitches, rendering them useless and depriving local kids of a place to play. They know I’m sure that a lot of people condemned to having paramilitary scum live among them are suffering in silence. As usual nobody – not even unionist politicians – are there to stand up for them. There’s certainly nobody to stand up for the rights of the people who the bonfires are clearly designed, with their effigies of the pope and tricolours on top, to intimidate.

    I can’t reasonably object to people celebrating the 11th night but couldn’t they do it in a way which does not involve paramilitary heavies, and destruction of public property ? The next time the rates go up remember the bill for cleaning up this crap.

  • GavBelfast

    El Matador, I’m not sure off the top of my head which SDLP figures support the FAI’s breakaway football team.

    😉

    But, sure, if your wee moan makes you feel better, however tangential your point is!

    (Back on topic, I have to agree: some of the bonfires in urban areas are out of order. But, then, bonfires are a tradition. What way do they do the Guy Fawkes’ ones?)

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Fair_Deal: “1. This is the usual site for a bonfire so its siting does not have some hidden undertone. ”

    Will the be paying for the clean up and repair to the parking lot? Or is this simply going be another case of “Spides will be spides” and the community at large will have to pay for the damage?

  • fair_deal

    DC

    The ‘car park’ is bit of a misnomer. It was/is a scrap of waste ground outside the City Hospital gates between the road entrance and the next street. Hence why it has been used as a bonfire site for years.

    The builders put up a temporary fence and stones on the ground to make some parking spaces for the management on the site. The fire will damage the temporary fence and the stones. If they choose to replace it I presume the builders will pick up the cost of replacing the fence and stones.

  • Meanwhile, over at Ravenhill:

    SDLP South Belfast MP Dr Alasdair McDonnell said he is alarmed to see that tyres have appeared at the bonfire site at Park Parade, Ravenhill Road, Belfast.

    He said: “The City Council and the Environment and Heritage Service of the Department of the Environment must move quickly to remove them. We must hold the line on tyre-burning over the next couple of days.

    “It cannot be emphasised too much how much harm they can do. Burning tyres release 52 known toxic substances of which several are dioxins, just about the most dangerous substances in the world. Tests at older bonfire sites show that the dioxins remain in the ground for years.

    “The choice is simple. Either bonfires are being organised by responsible people who will not permit this type of thing, or the authorities should close them down now with police help if necessary.”

    Let’s see if anything is done, or if these idiots are allowed to continue to do as they please, regardless of the financial or environmental cost to society.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Dread, well said. We may disagree on US politics but you’ve definitely got a good grasp on this. Spides will be spides is exactly the policy. Perhaps more succinctly, “spides will be spides, we better not mess with them or we’ll have a civil war”.

    What sickens me is less the hands-off attitude of the authorities, more the fact that unionist politicians stay absolutely schtum while paramilitaries stage minature coups, complete with bonfires, Nazi insignia (right after the commemoration of the Somme – I can’t think of a more putrid stinking insult to those who gave the sacrifice) and random sectarian insults.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Comrade Stalin: “Dread, well said. We may disagree on US politics but you’ve definitely got a good grasp on this. Spides will be spides is exactly the policy. Perhaps more succinctly, “spides will be spides, we better not mess with them or we’ll have a civil war”. ”

    Thank you — you’re pretty good yourself. And we don’t have to agree. My nation, my problem, my job to try and fix next time around.

    Sad part is, all I ever wanted from a national election was a choice of two sets of real ideas. Hasn’t happened yet.

    Comrade Stalin: “What sickens me is less the hands-off attitude of the authorities, more the fact that unionist politicians stay absolutely schtum while paramilitaries stage minature coups, complete with bonfires, Nazi insignia (right after the commemoration of the Somme – I can’t think of a more putrid stinking insult to those who gave the sacrifice) and random sectarian insults. ”

    To chastise them would A) be alienating their electorate and B) acknowledging A. They don’t do the former because they like being elected. They don’t do the latter because it would reveal what hypocrites they are.

  • fair_deal

    CS

    “right after the commemoration of the Somme – I can’t think of a more putrid stinking insult to those who gave the sacrifice”

    Well said. I think this is the second time we have agreed on something.

  • dev32

    The bonfire at Belvoir/Shaws bridge is now the height of a five storey building thanks to some assistance from a mechanical loader. As with every other year this flaming collection of pallets, old sofas, and other bits of toxic landfill will no doubt fall onto the adjacent main road and burn up the tarmac.

    I echo the points made by Comrade Stalin. Do local people really want a burning pile of waste polluting their neighbourhood and destroying the main road. Of course gainfully supervised by the local neds and heavies. The silent majority loses again to fear and intimidation.

  • aquifer

    Very light westerly winds predicted. Looks like East Belfast and North Down are to get the dioxins.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Fair_Deal: “The ‘car park’ is bit of a misnomer. It was/is a scrap of waste ground outside the City Hospital gates between the road entrance and the next street. Hence why it has been used as a bonfire site for years.”

    I can think of a host of criminal offences, ranging from trespass and littering… one wonders why the Hospital administrators would countenance this intrusion…

    Fair_Deal: “The builders put up a temporary fence and stones on the ground to make some parking spaces for the management on the site. The fire will damage the temporary fence and the stones. If they choose to replace it I presume the builders will pick up the cost of replacing the fence and stones. ”

    Okay… spides will be spides…

  • Handy man wi a hanky ball

    Aquifer, trying to figure your last statement out ” light WESTERLY Winds looks like East Belfast and North Down get the Dioxins??? Prey tell me what compass you are using?? even using Google earth I still cold’nt figure out how a light westerly wind from Shaws Bridge or Donegal Road ends up on the Newtownards Road??

  • Fraggle

    Handy man, leave the posting to those who know what the hell their on about. Go away and look up what a westerly wind is.

  • fair_deal

    “the Hospital administrators would countenance this intrusion… ”

    There is no intrusion the piece of ground is outside the Hospital gates and permanent fence.

  • Yokel

    These bonfires are not deisgned nor never will get cross community support so why not just stop talking bollocks about it Chris?

    Why does everything need cross community support? Why is it so desirable all the time anyway?

  • Young Fogey

    Gav,

    I live in a very multicultural area of Central London. I can’t remember people painting swastikas on flats lived in by Africans or Eastern Europeans. Nor can I remember wanting to get the f out of London in early November the way I always wanted to get the f out of Belfast in early July.

    Nor can I remember being called a ‘fenian bastard’ for walking down the street minding by own business just because the street happened to be an orange marching route.

  • FINAGHY RES

    fences,ntl green boxes,….put where there has been a traditional bonfire on the 11th night for 100 years or more,…daily ireland must be stuck for news,….i remember finaghy had a fire at every junction, locksley pk,doon end,torr way,orlock sq,glenarm sq,benmore drive x 2, now there is 1,some drop in 20 years,…

  • frank

    Perhaps its the health boards fault for building a hospital so close to a traditional bonfire site !!

    I mean, who needs a state of the art cancer centre when the boyos on the corner are poisoning everyone with toxic fumes anyway.

  • john

    The main bonfire for Sandy Row is about two thirds of rubber tyres, not only is this illegal but a health hazard. It’s within a stones throw of a Hotel used by tourists and business people, nice pieceof PR for NI. There’s an Irish Flag on top waiting to be burnt. Hardly an OrangeFest, more like a HateFest.

  • Moochin photoman

    I was at the Sandy Row site not 2 hours ago.
    One of the painted boards on the bonfire declared….
    Sandy Row
    Runs the Show
    UFF (beside a smiley face).
    Its not without its only irony given that the council have already been down and the offending tyres are apparently being taken away this afternoon (as i was reliably informed by one of the 5 or 6 youths sitting beside it).
    When i mentioned dioxins and how dangerous they were, they acknowledged that and proceeded to say that
    “it’s a shame because tyres burn the best and give off a great
    heat”
    There is a band of tyres around the base which is 11 tyres high with the overall height at about 25m. The bonfire is already listing and is undoubtably unstable.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Fair_Deal: “There is no intrusion the piece of ground is outside the Hospital gates and permanent fence. ”

    From the Daily Ireland story: “Belfast City Council is funding a July 12 bonfire placed in the grounds of a hospital car park building site.”

    Now, logically, the hospital or an affiliated party owns it, as they are improving the site. Likewise, you acknowledged there is a temporary fence. One would think they would have some legal claim to the ground, else why would they be makig improvements?

    Not that law and order issues are a major concern where Loyalist bonfires are concerned…

    One wonder’s, though… when the car park is finished, will the spides still insist that the bonfire be held there?

  • grace

    Why are my rates being spent on this sectarian abomination ?

    A disgrace.

  • The Devil

    “Why are my rates being spent on this sectarian abomination ?”

    You mean Northern Ireland?

  • GavBelfast

    Has all the feigned horror about these bonfires nolw dried up for the evening?

    Or are those above now out wathcing them?

    😉