Wearing England in Dublin…

Conor Feehan took his national pride in hand, donned an England shirt and walked the streets of Dublin and chanced his arm. But in cosmopolitan Dublin, it seems few people noticed.

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  • GavBelfast

    I’m not really surprised.

    Now had he done this on 25 March in and around O’Connell Street ….

    Of course, Rangers Top: The Sequel, now that would be interesting.

  • David Christopher

    Fantastic article; it really does show that, beneath the dreadful images of anti-unionist rioting in March, there truly is a very healthy tolerance in today’s Dublin.

    A Rangers top sequel would indeed be interesting; I remember enjoying a great Burns Night dinner with the Dublin Rangers Supporters Club a couple of years ago – they were mostly genial Scots with jobs in dublin’s red-hot IT economy rather than your stereotype beered up ulster loyalist!

    One other anecdote of tolerance – the year when the Ulster rugby team won the European Cup at Lansdowne Road. I remember the main shops in Grafton Street, and most of the pubs on the way out to the stadium, were flying the red-and-white Ulster flag – with the Crown on and all!

    It was quite a sight to behold and I lost track of the number of delighted Ulster fans who mentioned how welcome they felt.

    It has also become far more acceptable and widespread to wear the poppy in southern streets in November now, and there seems to be a growing appreciation of the nuances of Ireland’s past.

  • joeCanuck

    When is the funeral?

  • slug

    Great to hear that David.

  • jokester

    Old Joke:

    Paisley dies and goes to heaven.
    St.Peter greets him and asks what he has done to deserve entry to Heaven.
    Paisley replies that he has upheld the true protestant faith and says that, in fact, he walked down O’Connell St in dublin carrying a placard saying “F**k the Pope”.
    Oh said St.Peter, when did you do that?
    Paisley replies “about 2 or 3 minutes ago”.

  • Of course few noticed, and those that did probably didn’t give a hoots. Sure what was he expecting?!

  • The Beach Tree

    The key phrase I think…

    “Then again, with O’Connell Street being as multicultural as it is now, I suppose I just looked like another tourist”

    Whatever antipathy the “Love Ulster” debacle uncovered (and undoubtedly it did) it was not to Englishness, or Britishness as most English and British would understand it.

    It was quite clearly and specifically to Ulster Loyalism and Orangism. To claim otherwise I’d submit is just misleading.

  • inuit_goddess

    Beach Tree – so nationalists have grown to dislike Ireland-grown Britishness more than the idea of Britishness itself?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Is this another one side is as bad as the other exercise?

    Never were, are or will be. This is a sickness that has apologists aplenty claiming that it is a form of community expression.

    Those with the intelligence to know better bring shame on themselves by attempting(unsuccessfully) to reason it so.

    Hatred for hatreds sake is idiotic.

  • Ingram

    footballs coming home.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Ingram.

    Some may have believed England good enough to win the world cup. However now that you have said it no-one will believe it.

  • wes

    I thought England were playing at Seaview on the Shore Road this afternoon.

    Everyone was wearing England shirts.

    Bizarre !!!

  • The Devil

    If you want to support a winning team get out now and buy your Serbia&Montenegro shirts

  • martin

    what would be the point in wearing an england top in dublin, could it possibly be to incite trouble,was the writer hoping to provoke some sort of response, if so i would have thought the english where given the irish attitude towards england in Dublin in 1916, rember armalites are dangerous toys.

  • GavBelfast

    And in English, Martin … ?

    😉

  • SlugFest

    During the 2002 World Cup, I watched one of the England games (no idea who they were playing — not really into football) in a spit and sawdust pub in Dublin. All locals, all Irish except for me.

    The whole pub was cheering for England … no big deal at all.

  • martin

    well Gav old bean what if we got the bold Conor to don an english shirt and walk around some Asian area,s in dear old blighty, or perhaps try wearing a celtic shirt on the good old shankill road in wonderful Belfast,

  • martin

    dear slugfest mo cara I think perhaps you may have had a wee drop to much of the auld falling down water ,

  • Mustapha Mond

    “well Gav old bean what if we got the bold Conor to don an english shirt and walk around some Asian area,s in dear old blighty”

    He would probably just blend in, the amount of St George flags being flown seems to increase with every tournament. Quite remarkable, seeing as it is a christian symbol.

  • martin

    there,s nothing christian in killing them auld dragons, Mustapha. dont they know that dragons are an endangered species, I should know I married one

  • sam

    “I thought England were playing at Seaview on the Shore Road this afternoon.

    Everyone was wearing England shirts.”

    Wes

    And not just on the Shore Road, i drove into a loyalist parade on the Newtownards Road in East Belfast this afternoon and the whole area was covered in people wearing England, Northern Ireland and Rangers football shirts.

    I can understand loyalists wearing Northern Ireland and England shirts at the parade

    But England shirts..?

    P.S

    I have never seen as much alochol being consumed in one place.

  • martin

    its just a pity they dont know what nationality they really are, well maybe we know now why so many schools in loyalist areas,are closeing down they must have almost a 100% absentee record. and they cant hold their water,never mind alcohol

  • English

    Wes

    And not just on the Shore Road, i drove into a loyalist parade on the Newtownards Road in East Belfast this afternoon and the whole area was covered in people wearing England, Northern Ireland and Rangers football shirts.

    I can understand loyalists wearing Northern Ireland and England shirts at the parade

    But England shirts..?

    P.S

    I have never seen as much alochol being consumed in one place.

    Posted by sam on Jun 10, 2006 @ 07:33 PM

    I agree! England fans should be English only, if your from England and live in Ulster (like myself) then it’s o.k to wear the colours, if your not English you should be supporting someone else like N.Ireland, or Ireland. It really annoys me when I went out to buy my beer in Tesco this morning and their were lots of Northern Irish people wearing England tops – they have no right to, they are born on another island, it is my team and my country – not theirs that is at the World Cup! I would want Ireland to do well in the World Cup in the past, but I certainly wouldn’t go out and buy the top wearing it with pride! It is backwards! Rant over!

  • I got into a pile of shite for wearing a nakedly blue scarf*, in the 4 provinces in Ranelagh. This was the early 90s ….. these days i don’t think anyone would really care.

    *it just happened to be a certain shade of blue…i wasn’t wearing it make any statement or support.

  • kensei

    “Some may have believed England good enough to win the world cup. However now that you have said it no-one will believe it.”

    Actually I was almost tempted to buy the hype on England this time round, but watching them play seems to have cured that delusion.

  • friendlyCreggan

    What about ‘Wearing England in England’?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/5067904.stm

    http://www.u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=74168&pt=n

    Dear dear, those poor people……I blame the 2pm kick off myself 🙂

  • Ciaran Irvine

    in the 4 provinces in Ranelagh

    I lived across the road from that pub for 2 years in the early 90s…

    On the “supporting England” thing, my (Ulster Prod) brother-in-law has had a lot of good-natured ribbing from the neighbours recently, but all parties concerned are taking it all in good spirit. Here in Galway people are supporting all sorts of teams, including England. During the Norn Irn/England game a while back everyone here was supporting the North.

    Some unionists really need to get over the paranoia. The vast majority of Irish people couldn’t care less what church you go to or what team you support – unless it’s an opportunity for a bit of banter.

  • http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1631595&issue_id=14198

    Today’s Sindo has pictures of pretty, big breasted English maidens in Temple Bar, as well as African supporters in Glasneven and Poles crying into their beer.

  • Rory

    Bad taste is everywhere these days. Why expect Dublin to be an exception? I suppose at least the fellow was wearing a shirt of some sort, which many in London do not.

  • Conor Gillespie

    The Devil,
    “If you want to support a winning team get out now and buy your Serbia&Montenegro shirts”

    Unless, of course, the montenegrans on the time decide to split. Its got to feel awkward for the whole team to know that they’re playing for a country that doesn’t exist anymore. (:

  • GAA fan

    I had a shirt made by a tailor in India. It’s green, white and orange and the text reads: “World Cup 2006. I support whoever’s playing England.”

  • Realist

    “It was quite clearly and specifically to Ulster Loyalism and Orangism”

    Given this resentment to orangism, will the people of the republic be lobbying to have the orange bit removed from their national flag anytime soon?

  • martin

    that would be a great idea, after all what is the orange order, but an orgisation made up of bigoted outdated wasters,the English goverment founded them to keep their Irish neighbours down using whatever methods they wanted, including murder,the English have in the past outlawed the orange order when they became to much of an embarassment, they should do the same again. the flag of Ireland should be the 1798 flag ie., green with a gold harp,

  • martin

    given your display of centuaries old thinking I suppose your support for an eighteenth centuary flag is appropriate.

  • martin

    I would rather hope that by looking back, and learning from those men/women of all religious persuasion, and none that we could go foward into the future as a people who have shrugged of the trappings of claptrap green and orange politicians,Pakman mo cara, after all these carpetbaggers are apart from being useless pricks, are the real reason this country is stuck in the past.

  • SlugFest

    Martin,

    “dear slugfest mo cara I think perhaps you may have had a wee drop to much of the auld falling down water”

    Actually, i was the only sober person in the place — thought i was going in for a quiet lunch (knew nothing about the world cup). while there i had a cup of soup and bread — no poitin (sp?) at all.

    I’m telling ya, they were cheering for England. but as i said in my first post, i can’t recall who England was playing … perhaps it was the lesser of two evils?

  • English

    Slugfast,

    I would say that the hatred of England grows stronger the further north you go in Ireland, so it is possible for people to be cheering for England in Dublin.

    Believe it or not most English football supporters would follow the Republic in the World Cup and want them to do well, and the further north you go the greater the support!

    You can walk around England with any international football top on (apart from maybe Argentina or Scotland) without getting a second glance.

    English

  • martin
    “that would be a great idea, after all what is the orange order…”

    I’m perfectly happy with my flag that way it is now, orange n’ all, thanks very much! I see no reason to change it.

  • barnshee

    Er the Last time England played at (hush now) in Dublin ( The oval ball mind you) Dublin was awash with England Shirts , John Bull characters et al

    No problems whatsoever ( its all class related you know– its the prolses- the lower orders chaps who have not had a decent education)

  • Click on my name to find out who the Irish are really supporting in the 2006 World Cup!

  • SlugFest

    English,

    It takes too long to load, but i think i get the jist of it.

    Dumb question: is Ireland not in the World Cup? If so, why not?

  • Ciaran Irvine

    Dumb question: is Ireland not in the World Cup? If so, why not?

    You really don’t want to open that can of worms SlugFest 🙂

    An ageing squad, a poor manager (recently sacked), the presence of bogey team Switzerland in the qualifying group (how many competitions have they dumped us out of now? Bastids!), and points wilfully thrown away in two games against Israel when we should have won both games easily. And having to play France. That about sums it up.

    The current competition in Germany is the World Cup Final, the last 32 national teams still standing after a long qualifying campaign over the previous 2 years.

    Hope that helps 🙂

  • SlugFest

    ohhhh.

    thanks, Ciaran. Didn’t realize that each world cup lasted about two years!

    I am sort of getting into it this year — watched the last half of England vs. Paraguay (missed the ‘own goal’, but laughed at myself when i heard the term — i’ve only heard that term used for republican ‘campaigns’ — had no idea it was a football term!) and all of mexico vs. iran. felt bad for iran losing, but also cried when everyone hugged sanchez at the end of the game (for his dad) … geez, i really am a girly girl, eh?

  • Damien

    I agree, Engladn do not have a chance. All the wishing and talkin non-stop on the news and radio, and front page spreads in the paper every mornin couldnt put them through to the final never mind win it. Behave yourselfs!!!

    P.S. If they do my TV and radion is gettin locked up untill around 2020…. THe air ways should have cleared of it all by then