“They are evidence of common gangsterism”

As previously predicted here, the Alliance Party has announced that it will not be supporting a UUP candidate for the position of Lord Mayor of Belfast.. not as Fair Deal predicted speculated, however, the party has decided that they will be supporting a SDLP candidate.. to the obvious delight of some.. Once again, though, the comments, this time by the Alliance Party’s Naomi Long..

“We have made it clear that whilst the UUP maintain their formal links with the PUP and the UPRG, and whilst the paramilitary groups to which they are linked are not on ceasefire and refuse to address decommissioning, Alliance will not be in a position to support them for any of the top posts”

..should call into question the position of the Chair of the PUP on the Policing Board.. after all, as the Alliance Party leader David Ford has said

“Political leaders must recognise that these appalling incidents are not remotely ‘political’. They are evidence of common gangsterism. That common gangsterism must be wiped from the political map forever, not given credence by people claiming to be ‘democrats’.”

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  • Nevin

    It was only last year that we had this:

    [i]12.00.00am BST (GMT +0100) Thu 21st Apr 2005

    An Alliance candidate for Belfast City Council has slammed the SDLP for its plans to leave the future of Ireland in the hands of the IRA.

    Allan Leonard stated: “The SDLP’s opposition to voluntary coalition amounts to placing the future of Ireland in the hands of a mafia organization.[/i]

    More

    And the, er, mafia organisation is still there …

  • tiny

    given that the UUP has had a voting arrangement with Irvine on Belfast City Council for some time this move by the Allaince smacks of cheap political opportunism

  • Rubicon

    Tiny – are you going for “quote of the week”?

  • friendly

    Pat mcCarthy, ffs

    Let’s hope Bill Clinton doesn’t come this December (Smyth all over again, Doooooooo !!)

  • Concerned Loyalist

    If I and the rest of the UYM-UDA-UFF that the UPRG represent really cared or worried about what Naomi had to say we would have organised a meeting long ago to discuss her findings, but the truth is this – the APNI are a spent force who never have or never will influence Ulster’s political situation…I am a UPRG activist but people like Ms Long who had a middle-class, comfortable eduction in East Belfast cannot see that we are trying to create an environment where the UDA are redundant in working-class areas – all she sees is a Loyalist organisation that is committed to defending our areas…shame on our and the bourgeoise

  • Concerned Loyalist

    BETTER TO DIE ON YOUR FEET THAN LIVE ON YOUR KNEES IN AN IRISH REPUBLIC…Michael Stone UDA/UFF Hero.

    But In An Ideal World……………………
    BEST TO LIVE ON YOUR FEET THAN DIE ON YOUR KNEES…Concerned Loyalist UDA/UFF/UPRG

  • canwebanulstermanplease

    “better to die on your feet…etc”

    when you here stuff like this ( which some people obviously beleive)you KNOW this place is is buggered
    for years.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Concerned Loyalist, I hope you do die on your feet and take the UPRG and the rest of the loyalist paramilitaries with you.

    You can attack Naomi Long in a misinformed all day if you want. That won’t change the fact that the UDA and UVF are criminal organizations. They receive no votes to speak of and therefore have no specific right to be consulted or involved in any political process. They do not “defend” anyone; they kill civilians and destroy the lives of the people they claim to be protecting through drug dealing, racketeering and internecine feuds. Please just go to hell.

  • Nevin

    CS, PIRA, like the numerous paramilitary groups, is a criminal organisation ….; it receives lots of votes. Why do some folks endorse such a malevolent anti-democratic organisation?

  • Free Agent

    Concerned Loyalist,

    I don’t think the class of the Alliance MLA is the important here, its what she says, isn’t it? and clearly the truth hurts. I once thought like you do now, but I was 17 at the time and we were in near war situation at the time of the Milltown cemetery attack. You need to take a good look around, the people have a new city, a new opportunity, nobody wants those tired old slogans anymore, they just brought us misery. Time to grow up and embrace the new realities. Don’t be scared.

  • kensei

    “it receives lots of votes. Why do some folks endorse such a malevolent anti-democratic organisation?”

    It doesn’t. Sinn fein, which is a political party, receives lots of votes for a number of different reasons. Again, common confusion, glad I could clear it up.

  • Nevin

    Er, the PUP and SF are the political wings of paramilitary organisations. They are ‘managed’ by their respective ‘army councils’.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Free Agent.

    What a man. If only more like you spoke for Loyalism/Unionism, then there would be no IRA bogeyman smokescreen to hide behind, favoured by the likes of Nevin and Big Ian Paisley.

  • kensei

    “Er, the PUP and SF are the political wings of paramilitary organisations. They are ‘managed’ by their respective ‘army councils’. ”

    Er, no. Sinn Fein ‘represents’ the ‘thousands of people’ that voted for it, and it’s ‘internal governance’ is irrelevant. And if anything, ‘SF’ have been ‘absolutely ruthless’ in ditching or sidelining anything likely to harm ‘their electoral chances’.

    As I said, common confusion, glad I could clear it up.

  • Briso

    CS wrote:”Concerned Loyalist, I hope you do die on your feet and take the UPRG and the rest of the loyalist paramilitaries with you.”

    CL, I don’t hope you die, but I beg you not to kill or have anything to do with those who do. The UDA eventually eats its own.

  • Nevin

    The complacency shown by some posters to loyalist and republican paramilitary fascism and mafiaism – is to be expected from their drones.

    What is it about the likes of Adair and Adams that these folks find so appealing? Hume and Paisley were bad enough ….

  • Prince Eoghan

    Nevin.

    Would you have a fenian about the house. I promise I won’t “drone”

  • kensei

    “The complacency shown by some posters to loyalist and republican paramilitary fascism and mafiaism – is to be expected from their drones.”

    A drone is a type of bee. I am not a bee. A less common confusion, glad I could clear it up anyway.

  • Nevin

    Eoghan, I’m very cosmopolitan; everyone is welcome, not least if they’re youngish, good-looking and female. All I ask is that bras (OOPS) balaclavas and baseball bats are left outside the door.

  • ‘BETTER TO DIE ON YOUR FEET THAN LIVE ON YOUR KNEES IN AN IRISH REPUBLIC…Michael Stone UDA/UFF Hero.

    But In An Ideal World……………………
    BEST TO LIVE ON YOUR FEET THAN DIE ON YOUR KNEES…Concerned Loyalist UDA/UFF/UPRG’

    Jeez, that £33 million seems to be a gross under investment if this is what has to be tackled, and this from an ‘educated ‘ member of the areas designated.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Aw’right Nevin, I promise. When can I come?

    Shite I just remembered, I’m not female, my baseball bat is glued to my hand, and I’m ugly enough to need a balaclava. My Balaclava is quite stylish though, possibly you could borrow it. Then we could throw away that mask of affibility that is used so well to disguise the fact that you really don’t want a fenian about the house.

    Get over it mate, your day has gone forever.

  • Nevin

    Kensie, I was thinking more of the paramilitary drone, the one that operates by remote control, drops leaflets, etc.

  • kensei

    “Kensie, I was thinking more of the paramilitary drone, the one that operates by remote control, drops leaflets, etc.”

    I do not operate by remote control. I do not drop leaflets. I am unconnected to paramilitaries of any stripe. And to be completely clear, I’m not a continuous single tone sound, either.

    Is it wonderful to have so many confusions cleared in the one day?

  • Nevin

    Kensei, why are you masquerading as a drone? The management of parapoliticians by their respective ‘army councils’ should be quite well known by now.

  • Nevin

    Eoghan, can’t you think outside the unionist-nationalist mindset? My group encounters have been cosmopolitan for many years.

  • kensei

    “Kensei, why are you masquerading as a drone?”

    I am not masquareading as any sort of bee or military weapon. Maybe I just dislike the idea of votes being dismissed because someone doesn’t like them. I don’t like the DUP, but I respect their mandate.

    “The management of parapoliticians by their respective ‘army councils’ should be quite well known by now.”

    You are still confused. How SF manages itself is its own business. All you need to be concerned about is their mandate, and respecting the democratic process. You don’t actually get to pick the other side. You are a democrat, right?

  • fair_deal

    pb

    I speculated not predicted

  • Pete Baker

    Duly noted, fd.

    btw you can call me Pete, you know 🙂

  • fair_deal

    sorry pete

  • CS Parnell

    I have to admit I haven’t lived in Belfast for many years, but it’s always home and it still fills me with pride when a Catholic/nationalist is elected Lord Mayor – something that was impossible to imagine 30 years ago when the City Hall was, just as with Stormont, a symbol that we were “beseiged within the seige”.

    Nobody had to die to make this happen. It’s about living together and respecting one another, and Catholics didn’t feel that about their city in the 1970s and even 1980s.

    But we owe to those that died to make sure that maybe the time after next this happens it doesn’t cause me to wonder.

    Seriously, I am not a Unionist, but unionists should see this for what it is – if they are confident about their arguments, sharing power with the other half of the house doesn’t threatened them at all, quite the opposite.

  • Nevin

    Kensei,

    It’s too bad for you that Mitch McLaughlin has already agreed that the Sinner ‘Gang of Seven’ is recognised by the membership as the legitimate government of the island.

    Their parapoliticians are merely cogs in the machine; they take their orders from the unidentified Gang of Seven.

    This organisation is anti-democratic and opposition can be disposed of by threats, the baseball bat or a bullet in the back of the head.

    Sadly, the two governments pretend that by attempting to buy off the thugs, loyalist and republican, political progress can be made. The fools merely reinforce paramalitary fascism and mafiaism – and other fools try to dress the thugs up in democratic clothes!!

  • Prince Eoghan

    Ok Nevin.

    You don’t like Sinn Fein, but do you respect their mandate?

    Are you a democrat?

  • Prince,

    To be fair to Nevin, he does raise an interesting point. If McLaughlin (the Gen. Sec. of Sinn Féin) believes that the Army Council is the legitimate Government of Ireland, then that negates any mandate that SF politicans may have received at the polls as they (by McLaughlin’s reasoning) have taken part in elections to false legislatures with no jurisdiction either north or south.

    I don’t wish to call it either way- that is a matter for Sinn Féin. However, one cannot have it both ways- either SF respects the mandate of its party’s politicans as per their electoral performance, or it respects the ‘mandate’ of the Army Council as the supposed Government of Ireland. The purported mandates of the former and latter are in direct conflict, thus they cannot co-exist- it is a zero-sum situation.

  • Nevin

    Eoghan, I support democracy, hence my exposure of the likes of Adams and Adair.

    What is there to respect about paramilitaries who brutalize their own people as well as their neighbours?

    Who wants paramilitary social apartheid to be reinforced and extended? Obviously some folks do like a little bit of ‘justice’ inflicted by balaclava-wearing thugs wielding baseball bats – but they could be next.

    Sadly, we can expect honeyed words but little sympathy from the likes of Blair and Ahern; they appear content to contain the cancer of paramilitarism mostly to Northern Ireland.

  • kensei

    “If McLaughlin (the Gen. Sec. of Sinn Féin) believes that the Army Council is the legitimate Government of Ireland, then that negates any mandate that SF politicans may have received at the polls as they (by McLaughlin’s reasoning) have taken part in elections to false legislatures with no jurisdiction either north or south.”

    Nonsense. What Mitch thinks doesn’t make a blind bit of difference to the realities on the ground.

    “It’s too bad for you that Mitch McLaughlin has already agreed that the Sinner ‘Gang of Seven’ is recognised by the membership as the legitimate government of the island.”

    What the membership does or doesn’t think doesn’t make a whole lot of practical difference. It’s a bit of internal politicing form SF anyway.

    “Their parapoliticians are merely cogs in the machine; they take their orders from the unidentified Gang of Seven.”

    Irrelevant to their mandate. It doesn’t matter you don’t like them; it doesn’t matter they take their orders from God, Zod or the magic circle; what matters is they have a mandate. I know this drives you up the wall, but that’s the fact of the matter.

    And I reckon manging to move Republicanism from war to peace without fractions is an immense achievement, personally.

    “This organisation is anti-democratic and opposition can be disposed of by threats, the baseball bat or a bullet in the back of the head.”

    Prove it in court. Worthless otherwise. It obviously doesn’t work at a political level either, as most of the DUP and SDLP seem to be in sadly fine health.

    “Sadly, the two governments pretend that by attempting to buy off the thugs, loyalist and republican, political progress can be made.”

    Did I imagine the prgres sof the past 15 years? I need to lay off the drugs, then.

    “What is there to respect about paramilitaries who brutalize their own people as well as their neighbours?”

    Their mandate. Are you, are you not, a democrat?

  • Nevin

    Kensei, the peace lingo is merely a smokescreen and I don’t suppose their organised crime, Athboy strategy and ‘civic justice’ were listed on the Sinner AC manifesto?

    [i]What the membership does or doesn’t think doesn’t make a whole lot of practical difference.[/i]

    Quite. The loyalist and republican paramilitaries are anti-democratic.

    Manging is a nice typo for the Sinner dogs of war!!

  • observer

    kensei, hitler had a mandate and look what happened when people “respected” that

  • loyal and proud

    why is it south east antrim brigade allows a pedo to live in rathcoole.the guy lives in 8 loughmoney park and rides a motorbike.he;s been fired from every job hes had for harrassing women/girls .ffs he even chases after school girls .is SEA BRIGADE more concerned with lining there own pockets rather than tackling real issues ?.bastards like him shouldnt be left to the peelers to be delt with.ffs do your homework boys and sort it out there is ENOUGH PROOF there if u look for it. whats it gonna take before you act, the rape of a school girl ?.our communitys are suffering

  • Pounder

    I previously had some respect for CL, all that has went up in smoke with an ill informed attack on Naomi Long. The fact of the matter is she was born working class and worked and earned her way into a deacent education. Unlike certain members of the UPRG she does n;t sit on her hands begging to suck on the goverment tit as a reward for not doing things you aren’t supposed to do in the first fecking place.

    As I said in another thread recently every country has it scum bag gangsters, but in this country they use the smoke screen of doing it for Ireland/Ulster to excuse the fact that they are useless greedy parasites.