Lowest of the low

Proof (if needed) that the rancid sectarianism that has reared its head in Ballymena remains undiminished by the brutal sectarian killing of Michael McIlveen: some mourners attending the funeral had their car stoned by loyalists (story being carried in more detail on UTV television but not yet on internet.)

  • Billy Pilgrim

    TAFKABO

    “I no more consider the Nationalist Front to be all Nationalists than I consider their counterparts the BNP to be all Englishmen.”

    Fair enough. Perhaps you aren’t aware of this and it’s all a misunderstanding, but your posts have very strongly given me the impression that you do. I don’t know, maybe I’m the only one who got that feeling? My mistake.

    So tell me, who exactly DO you mean when you refer (as you so monotonously do) to the Nationalist Front?

    Or perhaps more pertinently, who among the nationalist community do you NOT mean?

  • bertie

    Pattila

    A good point! The press would have loved to have captured such an incident and I’m sure they were all on alert mode for same.

  • TAFKABO

    Fair enough. Perhaps you aren’t aware of this and it’s all a misunderstanding, but your posts have very strongly given me the impression that you do. I don’t know, maybe I’m the only one who got that feeling? My mistake.

    That’s uncanny Billy, because I get pretty much the same impression from all the posts about drug dealers and bigots that the people mean all Unionists.

    Hows that for a coincidence?

    So tell me, who exactly DO you mean when you refer (as you so monotonously do) to the Nationalist Front?

    I mean the Nationalist Front, they know who they are.

    Or perhaps more pertinently, who among the nationalist community do you NOT mean?

    All the decent ones.

    Maybe I could put it another way?

    I didn’t set the rules of engagement here, I just follow the examples.

    Hope this clears it up a little.

  • David

    If it happened.it is a disgrace. But at present only SF have claimed it happened. PSNI have not confirmed it.

  • Alan Law

    Dread: Mayhaps not, but it would cut to the point of the matter regarding the sort of Loyalist presence in the area, now wouldn’t it?

    Perhaps, but there are parts of Ballymena where you wouldn’t walk in the late evening. Never mind with a celtic / ranger top.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    TAFKABO: “why not give me the explanation as to why you saw fit to bring up the matter of drug dealing into a conversation about an alleged incident in which a few stones were thrown? ”

    TAF, you’re the one who came up with the silly notion of “just because they killed a kid doesn’t mean they’d throw stones at a car… It were them evil Taigs what done it, I bet.”

    If you’re going introduce paranoid conspiracy theories, then, frankly, its all fair game.

    On a personal note, I have a low opinion of child killers and drug dealers (there happens to be a bit of an overlap between those two “subsets” of humanity (I use the term “humanity” loosely in this instance…)).

    It is a term of my contempt… much as you toss “Nationalist Front” casually about.

    Then again, seeing as the UUP just crawled into bed with the UVF, perhaps it will become a more frequent bit of vocabulary on my part. If SF must answer for the sins of PIRA, must not the UUP now answer for the sins of the UVF? If PIRA’s smuggling and criminality injures SF, must not now the UUP be injured by the UVF’s drug dealing and criminality?

    Short version, you can’t have it both ways, TAFKABO.

  • TAFKABO

    TAF, you’re the one who came up with the silly notion of “just because they killed a kid doesn’t mean they’d throw stones at a car… It were them evil Taigs what done it, I bet.”

    I’m sorry, this is not what I said at all.

    Then again, seeing as the UUP just crawled into bed with the UVF, perhaps it will become a more frequent bit of vocabulary on my part.

    More frequent, is that possible do you think?

    If SF must answer for the sins of PIRA, must not the UUP now answer for the sins of the UVF? If PIRA’s smuggling and criminality injures SF, must not now the UUP be injured by the UVF’s drug dealing and criminality?

    Yes, I would say they must, I thought I had made my point clear on that.

  • james andrews

    Lets be honest about this situation SF namely monica digney so called local councilor,who btw lives in belfast ,has being jumping on the grave of this poor fella instead of trying to calm the situation uses it for electoral reasons for sf

  • Betty Boo

    As I said; ASPO’s for adults.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    TAFKABO

    “I mean the Nationalist Front, they know who they are.”

    Jesus, that’s Kafkaesque.

    “All the decent ones. Maybe I could put it another way? I didn’t set the rules of engagement here, I just follow the examples. Hope this clears it up a little.”

    The only thing it clears up is that you are unwilling to stand by or clarify your statements. It clears up that are a doublespeaker. It clears up that you are a coward. That is all.

  • TAFKABO

    Billy.

    Have you read the Man not Ball rule?

  • Global

    I believe this happened. I also understand that no-one has made a formal complaint to police. This tells me a lot. I also find it amazing that any parent would take their child into a situation where they could even possibly be exposed to such violence and hatred. people need to get real. I have never read so much bullshit from so many bigoted prods and taigs in my life. This country is fecked.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Bemused,
    “But it was the taigs what started it…at least that’s what we can expect from Fair Deal, Concerned Loyalist et al to start posting”.

    Catch a grip you presumptuous, prejudiced twat…

    Just logged on there and I’m becoming more and more disillusioned with Slugger and the anti-Protestant diatribe in full swing on threads like these. I’m meant to be revising for an exam in little over an hour, but I had a gut feeling that my name would be mentioned in this thread at some point by anti-loyalist detractors…and low and behold, my gut instinct proved to be correct. Fair Deal and myself were targeted in only the 5th post!

    Next thing you know we’ll be accused of being there when the stones were ALLEGEDLY thrown at the mourners’ car or inciting the ALLEGED culprits into ALLEGEDLY throwing the stones through pro-British, Unionist, Loyalist comments attributed to us on Slugger.

    Can someone tell me who observed the youths throwing the stones? I heard on the radio that a Provie councillor had told the station that she had seen youths throwing stones at cars from the entrance to Ballykeel. Is this correct?

    Did anyone stop to think that perhaps she was using this as a means of stirring up tension in the town before Ballykeel Loyal Sons Of Ulster Flute Band’s parade on Saturday?

    Incidentally, the route of this “triumphalist”, “sectarian” period was changed by Ballykeel L.S.O.U. F.B. as a mark of respect to young McIlveen’s family. This meant they would not walk the North end of the town, avoiding passing close to the Dunclug Estate, even though the band membership are largely from the Ballykeel estate, which is close to Dunclug, meaning they left out their home estate too…I haven’t viewed many comments praising the band for this responsible, essentially human act.

  • Concerned Loyalist:
    1. I’m meant to be revising for an exam in little over an hour Must be an easy exam or no standards if you are in here goofing off.

    2. As regards the rest: As Protestants murder Catholics (kinda Paki bashing Ulster style), it is not inconceivable that some of them might stone cars driven by Fenians. Protestants have thrown stones before. And bombs. Honestly.

    3. One unwanted Orange march temporarily rerouted. Now, how many does that leave?

  • qubol

    CL: “Ballykeel estate, which is close to Dunclug, meaning they left out their home estate too”

    hmmmm – they must of rearranged the town since I was last there at the weekend. Have you ever been to Ballymena CL?

  • Alan Law

    CL: “This meant they would not walk the North end of the town, avoiding passing close to the Dunclug Estate, even though the band membership are largely from the Ballykeel estate, which is close to Dunclug, meaning they left out their home estate too…”

    1. As the crow flies Ballykeel is 3 miles from Dunclug.

    2. The Pride of the Maine Parade does not pass the Dunclug estate.

    3. Ballkeel follow road signed Larne & Belfast, Dunclug Estate branch off at road marked M2 & North along cushendall road (not shown).

    4. The decision to re-route was to avoid the site of the murder.

  • Alan Law

    Apologies, I referred to Pride of the Maine, when I should have said Ballykeel Loyal Sons of Ulster FB.

    The Planned route never involved the Dunclug area or indeed the North of Ballymena.

  • Pattila the Hun

    CL
    “Can someone tell me who observed the youths throwing the stones? I heard on the radio that a Provie councillor had told the station that she had seen youths throwing stones at cars from the entrance to Ballykeel. Is this correct”

    As far as I know the lady in question was never in the IRA, so it would be more accurate to describe her as a SF councillor rather than a “Provie”. Other than her, Chris Donnelly who wrote this post and is again AFAIK is also a member of Sinn Fein and Daily Ireland, I haven’t seen it mentioned elsewhere.
    PS: good luck with the exam!

    “it is not inconceivable that some of them might stone cars driven by Fenians”

    Not inconceivable, but despite the enormous media presence in the town the day of the funeral, again afaik, it wasn’t covered in any other newspaper or television station.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Alan Law,
    It was not the Pride of the Maine parade, but the parade of Ballykeel Loyal Sons Of Ulster F.B.. I am not a fan of Ballymena as a town or it’s shopping to be honest and don’t associate with many people from the area after a mate and I were jumped by UVF supporters from the town in Portrush one weekend when they asked us where we were from and we replied “Coleraine”.

    I admit that although I know my way around towns and cities such as Londonderry, Limavady, Coleraine, Ballymoney, Belfast and Lisburn like the back of my hand, but I would only know where certain areas in Ballymena are. For example: Harryville, Ballee, Ballykeel roundabout, St Patrick’s Barracks, Ballymena United F.C. football ground and the Tower Centre and Fairhill shopping centres, so my geography of the town isn’t 100% and I apologise if I misled posters as to the proximity of The ‘Keel and Dunclug…

  • qubol

    “a mate and I were jumped by UVF supporters from the town in Portrush”

    ahhhhhh to be a Loyalist…….
    LOL

  • Concerned Loyalist

    qubol,
    Jealousy will get you nowhere…we live in a parochial paradise.