Love Ulster parade to be received at Oireachtas

It’s relatively easy to skate over the significance of the Love Ulster rally in Dublin. It’s not likely to be huge. And it won’t be as colourful as the initial march last October. But a delegation will be civilly received at Leinster House, after what march organisers hope will be a peaceful march through Dublin. None of which would have been conceiveable even five years ago, never mind ten. It’s hard to escape the conclusion that Unionists are determined to ‘get outside of the traditional envelope’.

  • It isn’t actually a Love Ulster rally. As I undersatnd it is is a rally organised by victims groups which Love Ulster is supporting.

  • dave

    Are any paramilitary bands travelling to take part in the event ?

  • I believe not. They would be particularly inappropriate on a victims rally. Of course they are not appropriate anywhere.

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    Does the Love Ulster movement include unionist victims of unionist paramilitaries and, if so, how do they feel when they’re asked to march alongside the killers of their loved ones?

  • “when they’re asked to march alongside the killers of their loved ones? ”

    are they so asked?

  • Dualta

    Dissident Republicans have been on about a counterdemo. I hope they catch themselves on and let this rally pass off without incident.

    The news that there will be official recognition of the rally, as that mentioned above, is very good news indeed.

    All republicans should be bending over backwards to ensure that all of the marchers have a great experience on the day.

  • Kim Philby

    Dulta

    You are right. Only a complete idiot would show this demonstration anything but courtesy. They are welcome and their right to make their point should not be disputed.

    Of course it is legitimate to draw attention to the contradictions of their position but it is their right to petition the Irish government.

  • I think it’s crazy that they will be received at Leinster Hse, as if they actually deserve any respect.

    Dave, there will be 8 loyalist bands on the march.

  • ‘Tis very clever. No matter what happens, it’ll help the cause of Love Ulster.

    Situation A – Protest at the march and the odd stone thrown etc. Disident republicans tell them to feck off etc.. Victory for Love Ulster, shows that the people of the Irish Republic are intolerant of victims of republican violence etc and in a united ireland (lol) unionists/loyalists would be subject to abuse etc.

    Situation B – March passes off without incident. How come they can march in the Irish republic and no one gives a damn but when the Orange Order try to march in Northern Ireland, so called Irish republicans protest and riot?

    Hats off to the organisers of the march. I wish I could think like that.

  • Dave’s question was about “paramilitary bands”. There are some Orabge bands going.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Situation B – March passes off without incident. How come they can march in the Irish republic and no one gives a damn but when the Orange Order try to march in Northern Ireland, so called Irish republicans protest and riot?

    This summer, Orangemen marched and then attacked the police while still wearing their collarettes. It’s unfortunate that people have to be reminded that loyalists march too and indeed loyalists are responsible for the trouble just as often as republicans are.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    jimmy porter

    I think your analysis is spot on. The marchers have created a ‘win/win’ situation for themselves. This is quite clever, as you say.

    I’m somewhat surprised that any republican would want to protest against the loyalist parade. If they are serious about a united Ireland, this is what they will have to accommodate. After all, from a republican perspective, isn’t this only a group of misguided Irishmen marching through their true capital city?

    Some of these marchers will be the usual crowd, but I have a feeling that many will be there for the right reasons, some will be worried about a violent reaction to their presence, and some will be nervous because this will be their first time in Dublin.

    If the marchers and protesters want to retain the moral high ground and win any PR battle after the event, I would urge them all to be on their very best behaviour and go out of their way not to cause offence.

    If the day is carried off in the right spirit by all sides, isn’t everyone a winner?

  • D’Oracle

    The march will be about as welcome/unwelcome as any other public demo to Dubliners ;it depends on whether it messes up traffic and delays people doing their business.

    It will be unusual though and a lot of people are a bit puzzled as to what its all about.

    Jimmy Porter’s Situation A/B framework needs to be expanded beyond North impacts ; what about impacts on Dubliners, messages to national and international media etc. whether it goes well or otherwise.

    If it is Situation B case, it would hardly come as a surprise that reactions to this effort would differ North and South – given the divided society in the North.

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    “when they’re asked to march alongside the killers of their loved ones? “

    are they so asked?

    given notorious unionist paramilitaries were unloading the Love Ulster newssheet at Larne, my assumption is that they are being so asked.

  • George

    Jimmy,
    “How come they can march in the Irish republic and no one gives a damn but when the Orange Order try to march in Northern Ireland, so called Irish republicans protest and riot?”

    The Orange Order will not be marching and no collarettes are even allowed to be worn so this is not an OO march.

    The organisers say this is a demonstration by Protestant victims of IRA violence and, accordingly, they are most welcome at Leinster House.

    If people turn around in 5 months time and say well actually it was really the equivalent of an Orange Order march then we will have to draw the conclusion that the memory of Protestant victims of IRA violence was used as a stalking horse for Orange Order objectives.

    I don’t think you can sink much lower if that turns out to be the case. I very much doubt it will though.

  • james flynn

    > I’m somewhat surprised that any republican
    > would want to protest against the loyalist
    > parade.

    Yes, it would be counter-productive to their goals.

    And who knows, maybe a few of the marchers might even realise that not everyone in fenianland has horns on their heads.

    But I’m worried about the renegade scumbag in Dublin who throws a few stones – it just takes a couple of nut-jobs to make the headline. Then you can almost hear the years of whataboutery that will follow – “Holy Cross? Sure, but whatabout the time protestant victims were stoned on the streets of Dublin?”

  • seabhac siulach

    The fact that these loyalists, love Ulster groups wish to come to the capital and march merely reflects the fact that they now recognise (whether they wish to truly accept it yet or not) that the it is the south of Ireland, not the South of England, that is the more important now for obtaining their rights and for addressing their grievances. This is how it should be, how it should always have been.

    Anything that promotes a cross-border sense of togetherness, even something like this march based on grievance, is to be supported. Do they realise that they are actually giving legitimacy to the role of the South in the North by merely appearing in Dublin?

    This march should be supported and cheered from the rooftops…the South should not be a cold house for unionists. Only be welcoming those Irishmen and women of other political persuasions into a more global view of what it is to be Irish will we ever make progress…

    This march is, therefore, to be supported. Republicans and nationalists have nothing to fear from it, only everything to gain. Any counter demonstration will be hugely counter-productive and self-defeating.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Dave,
    Define “paramilitary bands”…if you are referring to the carrying of flags, as far as I am aware no UDA/UFF, Red Hand Commando or post-1966 UVF/YCV flags will be carried.

  • Baluba

    seabhac siulach, i think you may be going a bit too far there with your analysis, they are stopping st ‘the border’ after all to ‘show that it still exists’ etc etc.

    This will go off without incident I reckon and smirks from almost anyone.

    Nothing wrong with a counter-demonstration as long as it’s peaceful, as this is run by Willie Frazer who is a bigot. Sorry for his loss, but he’s a bigot and not going down for the purposes of reconciliation.

    Let them march if they want.

    D’Oracle is 100% correct though. The reaction to this will very much be weighed up by Dubs etc by how much disruption it causes to their daily routine. There is no ‘marching culture’ in the 26 counties.

  • seabhac siulach

    Baluba:

    “seabhac siulach, i think you may be going a bit too far there with your analysis, they are stopping st ‘the border’ after all to ‘show that it still exists’ etc etc.”

    It doesn’t matter what ‘shape’ they put on it the fact remains that they are forced to come to Dublin to air their grievances. At once they are recognising the authority of the South and obliterating the idea of a border, no matter what the arcane ceremony (entrails of chickens, anyone?) they perform on that illusory line… What’s more they will be received at the very heart of the Southern establishment, Leinster House…
    So, tell me, how can they claim from all of that, that for them, the border still exists. The word, delusional (in their case) springs to mind…
    Why are they not marching in their beloved England, in London? They know very well, of course, that the Brits will not give their group of ‘paddies’ the time of day…let alone invite them to the centre of government to hear their grievances…
    They are starting to realise which side their bread is buttered on, I feel…

  • “given notorious unionist paramilitaries were unloading the Love Ulster newssheet at Larne, my assumption is that they are being so asked.”

    I would challange your assumption. It is a victims rally and not a loveulster rally.

    I have also been told that the “paramilitaries” turned up at the launch heeding the general invitaion to unionist to turn up and help and not that they were part of the organisation.

  • audley

    Two prods, Billy and Iain, are walking down the road. Billy says to Iain,

    “There’ll never be a united Ireland!”

    Iain says,

    “You’re right”

    The next day there is a united Ireland, Protestant slavery is introduced and the Pope is welcomed to East Belfast by the new president Roy Keane. Billy and Iain are shackled in their cages when the Pope comes over to them and says…

    “Do you know I am?”

    Billy replies

    “Yeah you’re the pope”

    Iain turns to Billy and says,

    “F**k me, I thought it was your man off TG4 mo chara!”

  • Deaglan

    well the parade didnt even get going before it was disrupted. good

  • john

    IN MY OPINION, THE ONLY WAY THAT THERE WILL BE A UNITED IRELAND IN THE FUTURE IS THAT IF THE DECENT PEOPLE OF IRELAND TURN THERE BACKS ON THE SO CALLED FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF IRELAND LIKE SIN FEIN AND OTHER LINKED PARTIES, THEIR COULD BE A CHANCE THAT UNIONIST PEOPLE MIGHT BE PERSUADED IN ACCEPTING THE IDEA, BUT WITHOUT BEING CONSTANTLY IN DANGER OF EVIL THUGS WHO SUPPORT PERSONS WHO HAVE NO SORROW FOR THEIR PHONEY ARM STRUGGLE WITH ANYONE WHO GETS IN THEIR WAY. LASTLY, EIRE HAS LET THE VICTIMS DOWN OF I.R.A GENOCIDE BY NOT CONTROLING THEIR THUGS.

  • Realist

    “well the parade didnt even get going before it was disrupted. good”

    The author of this odious comment perhaps believes that the cause of a “United” Ireland has been furthered thus.

    Somebody should have a word in his/her ear and tell them what cherishing all the children of the nation equally means.