Kerr slam Republic’s racist supporters

Brian Kerr talks about the racialist abuse he’s had from ‘supporters’ berating him for including black Irish players in his team. Paul at Northern Irish Magyar has the report.

  • Keith M

    Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with Kerr being in line for the South Africa job.

  • Paul has a short memory I’m afraid! On the fantastic night in 1993 when Alan McLoughlin’s late goal secured the Republic a World Cup place at Windsor Park, there was a torrent of racist abuse directed towards one Republic player in particular. There was also a cacophony of sectarian abuse, but we’ll take that as expected! Racism is not acceptable in any environment but I dont think that a few numbskulls from the south have a monopoly on racism in this island.

  • Kim Philby

    “I had to put up with a series of fairly vile abusive letters,” said the former Irish boss.

    So he’s not talking about actual fans. I think he should clarify how many letters he got and from how many sources becaused he has damaged the good name of Irish fans and they are entitled to know the basis for it.

    KiethM

    Your cynicism is a credit to you.

  • Ringo

    Mick

    Where did the line that letters came from supporters, as in your headline above, come from? As opposed from deranged members of the general public? I’ve seen absolutely nothing in Kerr’s comments anywhere that would remotely suggest that the letters came from match-goers or even armchair football supporters.

    Or are we to believe that your average match-going racist is now writing letters and handing them in at the turnstiles instead of racist chants and songs?

    NI Maygar’s attempt to tie place responsibility on the FAI to weed out this scumbag element amongst its support is utterly baseless.

    Keith, I don’t think it does. I think it has to do with an annual inter-cultural football competition involving teams from ethnic communities across Dublin

  • Ringo

    macswiney

    Thanks for placing the Windsor night in 1993 on par with a half-baked story that lacks any reference to people who attend ROI games.

  • Brian Boru

    Very vague but unrepresentative of Irish ppl in general.

  • Doctor Who

    Ha! Ha! Ha! If only it was funny. I for one welcome these comments by Mr. Kerr.
    As I have posted on previous threads, the anti semite sentiments expressed by a sizeable amount of supporters at the ROI v Israel match was sickening.
    Ringo what makes you think that “your average match going racist” (you admit they exist) dosn´t know how to write an abusive and racist letter.
    As someone from a Jewish background I have endured many years of bigotry from many walks of life including anti semite literature from fellow under graduates at Queen´s University.
    The fact that you are all in denial will only deepen this problem or perhaps you think it is acceptable.
    The FAI should consult with the IFA on how to best weed out this element as their Northern Ireland counterparts have been highly successful in their anti sectarianism initiatives at Windsor Park.

  • Ringo

    Dr Who.

    Please provide some evidence that Brian Kerr or the Guards believe, or have stated anywhere that they have any grounds to suspect that any of these letters came from people who attend ROI games to back up your over-eager claims.

  • Glyn

    You think that racists don’t like football as much as anyone else, and support football teams? What planet are you from?

  • Kim Philby

    Glyn

    You think that racists don’t like football as much as anyone else, and support football teams?

    You think those letters were supportive of the team?

  • TAFKABO

    For the life of me, I can’t recall a single objection when the cretin that phoned a death threat to Neil lennon was categorised as a loyalist and Northern Ireland supporter, despite a similar lack of evidence.

  • Biffo

    Doctor Who

    Please give some examples of “the anti semite sentiments expressed by a sizeable amount of supporters at the ROI v Israel match was sickening.”

    There been some talk about this before, but not enough info to let anyone form an opinion.

    What was the nature of the abuse? Roughly how many people were involved?

    What was the source of the accusations?

  • Biffo,

    Doctor Who wont be able to give an answer to that because he doesnt know! Following that game a thread appeared here after which Mick posted a note saying that many people involved had been using multiple aliases to pretend that they also heard abouts such abuse!! I am a block booking holder at Landsdowne Road for the past 18 years. Unlike Dr who I was actually AT the game in question. There was no anti-semitism at all but there were a few political chants from a (very) small number of fans on the south bank expressing support for the palestinian people. (im talking about 8-10 people approx).

  • spartacus

    a serious charge there, doctor who. can you please tell us what qualifies as ‘anti-semitic’ in reference to literature you’ve received at queen’s? i ask because these days many defenders of israel characterize anything critical of their brutal campagin against the palestinians as anti-semitic, and i’mn wondering if you mean something else. can you quote from any of it? did you file a complaint with the sutdent uniojn, administration? also, can you tell us any specifics about the anti-semitic behavior you witnessed in the ireland-israel match?

    also please read the following piece, ‘abusing anti-semitism,’ and tell me if it qualifies as anti-semitic:

    http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/h092903.html

  • Biffo

    TAFKABO

    “I can’t recall a single objection when the cretin that phoned a death threat to Neil lennon was categorised as a loyalist and Northern Ireland supporter, despite a similar lack of evidence.”

    You’ll certainly recall the hostile reaction Lennon got from many NI fans after joining Celtic. The fact that he received a death threat from an extremist individual was no surprise.

    The difference here is that this is a new phenomonen for the ROI team. There is no history of widespread racism among fans whereas football in NI has always been dogged by sectarianism.

    Though I don’t know why people are surprised or annoyed about these revelations.

    Ireland has a lunatic racist fringe just like everywhere else.

    Racism is part of human nature, the question is how do you deal with it.

  • Biffo

    macswiney

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  • MacSwiney/Biffo

    There was a thread after the game on one of the Irish football sites(starting “I’m ashamed to be Irish”)

    http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=25941&page=1&pp=20

    It was other Republic fans initially alleging the anti-semitism which existed separate from the pro-palestinian demo at the game.

    Haaertz, an Israeli leftish paper, also carried a report of the Israel coach and players being attcaked although it wasn’t clear if they were alleging it was football fans/political activists or a mixture of both

  • A Pat Jennings fan,

    I think you’re maybe missing the point here. The inference of Mick’s post at that time was that many of the people using multiple aliases were falsely claiming to be who were. ie people claiming to be disgusted Republic fans were probably exactly the opposite!! I would also point out that there was a sizeable left wing protest outside the ground by a variety of political activists (including manyfrom Belfast). These people did give the Israeli coach abuse but they have nothing to do at all with Ireland supporters who attended the game.

  • brayo

    I firmly believe that to purport racism where it doesnt exist, is equally as sinister and ugly as racism itself.

  • A Pat Jennings Fan

    macswiney

    “The inference of Mick’s post at that time was that many of the people using multiple aliases were falsely claiming to be who were. ie people claiming to be disgusted Republic fans were probably exactly the opposite!!”

    That may well be, but check the link I gave, it’s not from Slugger.

  • Grassy Noel

    Ireland, 2006.

    “Your football supporters are more racist than ours”!

    “Oh No, they’re not”!

    “Oh yes they are”!

    “Oh no they’re not”!

    “Oh yes they are”!

    “Oh no they’re not! Anyway youse are all a bunch oh sectarian bigots, so ye are”!

    “Oh no, we’re not! Youse are”!

    “No we’re not! Youse are”!

    Oh No we’re not! Youse are”!

    Repeat ad nauseaum, ad infinitum, in sprito sancti, ….etc. etc. etc.

  • Grassy Noel

    Come on now people, let’s not make a political football out of…er, football

  • A Pat Jennings Fan

    Grassy Noel

    Apart from “in spirito sancto”, nearly 100%!

    Maybe the only difference is differing levels of honesty admitting a problem exists.

    But then I would say that, wouldn’t I 😉

  • Ringo

    Maybe the only difference is differing levels of honesty admitting a problem exists

    er..no. the scale of the problem is the biggest difference. And comforting yourself by telling yourself that it is just as bad everywhere else as in your own backyard doesn’t make it true.

    But I’m not really interested in going down the route of pointing out the well documented major problems the IFA have had to contend with over the past few decades versus the absence of anything comparable south of the border – I’d much rather recognise that objective reports all indicate that the IFA have made massive strides in the recent past and that hopefully it is only a matter of time before NI fans have sufficient well earned pride in their collective behaviour to do away with the need to find fault (real, contrived, or exaggerated) with us.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    How does Brian Kerr or anyone else for that matter know they were supporters? Did they send ticket stubs or supporters club membership no.’s along with the other crap?

  • Ultonian Scottis American

    A whole new slant on what it means to be “Black Irish”.

  • McS:

    It wasn’t the Israel match. It was one poster with several aliases who said he heard racialist abuse at an international at Windsor Park – can’t remember which one. It was hotly disputed by about half dozen readers who had been there.

  • jim

    No mention of Ireland football fans being responsible here

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4630664.stm

    Or here

    http://www.sportinglife.com/football/international/republic/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/06/01/20/SOCCER_Kerr_Racism.html&TEAMHD=eire

    Or here

    http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0120/541745981HM1BRIANKERR.html

    Or here

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/sport/Full_Story/did-sgkvWHW2Oel7Q.asp

    Kerr said “he did not believe soccer in Ireland was racist. Foreign nationals and black players had been accepted in the League of Ireland and in junior and underage leagues. Sport could assist in both the combating of racism and also in the “real” integration of foreign nationals into Irish society.

  • Realist

    “How does Brian Kerr or anyone else for that matter know they were supporters? Did they send ticket stubs or supporters club membership no.’s along with the other crap?”

    The same way that evetyone knows that whoever phoned a death threat to Neil Lennon was a “Northern Ireland supporter”.

    Everyone knows that don’t they?

  • jim

    I don’t recall anyone saying the people who phoned in the death threat to Neil Lennon was a supporter.

    I personally doubt that it was.

    The sectarian singing and sectarian language directed towards Lennon on the other hand is well documented.

  • Yoda

    Interesting points above.

    However, if true, then what Kerr says took place should be condemned. That sort of crap should not be tolerated.

  • Ziznivy

    Can anyone point out a time when Jeff Whitley was given abuse by the Northern Ireland fans?

  • A Pat Jennings Fan

    “only a matter of time before NI fans have sufficient well earned pride in their collective behaviour to do away with the need to find fault (real, contrived, or exaggerated) with us.”

    Ringo

    My own reaction now when my team’s (club and country) supporters are attacked in this way is to check the information and figure out for myself the truth behind the claims. I do this because of there IS truth in them, then I want to see in what small way I can contribute towards making sure that sectarianism/racism/hooliganism doesn’t blight my own match-going experience. Selfish I know, but that’s my main concern, not trying to appease people who don’t have the best interests of my team at heart.

    But in order to do that, it’s important that this kind of info which Kerr has reported today is brought into the open. You may find it hard to believe, but this may not only be done so to attack the Republic’s supporters’ reputation but because the commentators in question may just think that it’s important we nip this kind of this racist crap( if it does exist) in the bud before it takes hold.

    It’s up to you to make the judgement how valid the info is and the ensuing accusations but don’t automatically assume the motives of the people who’ve brought it to light are negative.

  • Mustapha Mond

    “The difference here is that this is a new phenomonen for the ROI team” (Sic)

    New!? Paul McGrath begs to differ.

    “Racism is part of human nature”

    No it is’nt, its taught father to son, or through fear of the unknown. I have never met a person in my entire fcuking life who said “Racism is part of human nature”.

  • Doctor Who

    Brian Kerr never stated that the letters came from a fully paid up season ticket holder.
    He was simply drawing attention to the fact that there is a problem.
    I find it very disturbing that there is so much denial of the antics of sizable sections of ROI supporters at the ROI v Israel game. The problems where not restrited to about 10 supporters waving PLO flags in the south section.(an act naive and shameful in itself) Throughout the ground it was disturbing. At one point the chants of “six million Jews and they should of been Protestants” was greeted with bellows of laughter.
    Other more sinister chants directed to individual players and coaching staff regarding the Holocaust where just as sickening.
    I am in no way trying to tarnish the image of the vast number of ROI fans who are renowned around the world for their excellent behaviour, I am simply trying to point out that unfortuntely ROI has it´s fair share of mindless imbecils as well.
    Does anyone remember the shameful scenes in Lichtenstein when a vast amount of travelling supporters booed the Hosts national anthem, simply because it had the same tune as God Save The Queen.

  • Pat Jennings Fan
    “Haaertz, an Israeli leftish paper, also carried a report of the Israel coach and players being attcaked although”

    The Haaertz article, if I remember correctly, was full of lies and conflicted with reports published in other Israeli papers as well as an Irish paper.

  • Doctor Who

    Spartacus, I read the article and it is indeed a very interesting slant on the very nature of peoples attitude toward the Jew. Or indeed the way Jews perceive the way they are seen by others.
    I don`t however see your point. Are you saying that I should accept being racially abused in public and not take it so serious, because I´m some how an angst ridden paranoid Jew.
    The Holocaust, the exobus from Babylon, the Diaspora all have little relevance to sitting at Landsdowne Road and being subjected to hate fuelled diatribes of the most dispicable nature.

  • spartacus

    no, doctor who, but you’ve given the game away above. as i suspected, you describe the act of 10 people in ‘waving the plo flag’ (actually its the palestinian national flag, dr.) as ‘naive and shameful in itself.’

    the fact that you cannot reply to my request that you describe this ‘anti-semitic’ literature at queen’s is telling. there wasn’t any. possibly a leaflet advertising a talk on palestine, which would apprently qualify in your book.

    you seem to have misread, or misunderstood the article of all you took from it is about ‘the nature of people’s attitude toward to Jew.’ tt is about the way that supporters of isreal have used the cry of ‘anti-smeitism’ to avoid facing up to their own complicity in the ongoing oppression of a people.

    you dont tell us whether you were in attendance and heard for yourself these chants. if they happened i have no problem condemning them outright. but i have a suspicion that much of that is being fabricated to smear the legitimate attempt to raise isreal’s treatment of palestinians, in the same way that right-thinking people would have ‘mixed sports and poltics’ to do so in the days of apartheid south africa—a close ally, after all, of israel.

  • A Pat Jennings Fan

    maca
    “The Haaertz article, if I remember correctly, was full of lies and conflicted with reports published in other Israeli papers as well as an Irish paper.”

    “although it wasn’t clear if they were alleging it was football fans/political activists or a mixture of both”

    You cut off my quote before the last bit, where the all important “alleging” appeared! Biffo and MacSwiney were asking for more info about allegations of anti-semitism at the game-that’s why I gave them the thread from Footie IE and the info about Haaertz.

    The main other Eng-lang Israeli paper(Jerusalem Post) concentrated more on the Pro-Palestinian demos, but did also mention about one of the players(the goalie?) getting assaulted later in the hotel. From what I can recall one or two of the Irish papers also wrote about it. One of the posters on here, who was a local journo, did mention that he’d contacted Haaertz to clarify sources etc but with the thread later being deleted he mustn’t have been able to come back with their reply

  • Doctor Who

    Spartacus as I have mentioned on previous threads I was at the game between ROI and Israel, as a guest of two former work colleagues who where equally disgusted at what they witnessed.
    Why do you ask me to defend Israel I am a British citizen whose family arrived here via Poland prior to the second world war. I have never actually visited Israel.
    You seem to think that every Jew worldwide is responsible for Palestinian oppression in parts of the state of Israel. A ridiculous scenario it´s like asking every Catholic in Ireland to apologise for the actions of the IRA.
    Maybe you think that I´m part of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

  • jim

    Mick

    I’m interested in why you chose the title for this thread.

    Not a single news organisation that i can find attributes the racist letters to Ireland supporters.

    You base the thread on the interpretation from a guy who runs a blog and supports northern ireland.

    Hardly objective.

    Brian Kerr, in an article in the Irish Times yesterday said:

    “he did not believe soccer in Ireland was racist. Foreign nationals and black players had been accepted in the League of Ireland and in junior and underage leagues.”

    He went on to say

    “It was the first time he had encountered racism of this kind.”

    The thread is both misleading and stinks of opportunism.

    Very sad for a site that should be representative of all.

    Racism exists in all walks of life in this country but to try and label ‘supporters’ as being responsible, when this was not stated by Kerr, is a poor reflection on the standard and direction that slugger seems to be going in.

  • spartacus

    dr who:

    ducking it again.

    1. i never asked you to defend israel. i’m glad you don’t.

    2. i condemn without reservation any anti-semitic acts committed in the stands or elsewhere, and it seems from some accounts that these did occur. i would distinguish between these and the demonstrations against israel’s treatment of palestinans, which some people seem anxious to conflate. as the article which i provided you with a link to suggests, this is a sleight of hand that is deployed everywher these days, not only in ireland.

    3. you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence to back up your claims about the distribution of anti-semitic literature at queen’s. either do so or retract your serious claims.

    jim:

    you are under a misconception that many others who visit this site have raised from time to time. with respect to the important service that mick and others perform in providing one of the few spaces where discussions can be had that are relatively free-wheeling and involve all ‘sides,’ slugger does not claim to be running a site ‘for all,’ in the sense that it is meant to be neutral, objective. it is a unionist site. that is fairly ov=bvious if you look through the types of threads that they run and the way that stories in the press get ‘interpreted’ by admins, so the roi story is not exceptional in that way. i’ve suggested before that mick should run a disclaimer, or an explanation, somewhere on the home page.

  • Mustapha Mond

    For a unionist site a lot of people have voted Henry Joy McCracken and John Hume as the greatest Ulstermen.

  • IJP

    Grassy Noel is spot on.

    So often you get one side (usually Nationalists, in fact) accusing the other of something vile. When the reverse is also shown to be the case, they choose to justify it rather than accept that it, too, is unacceptable.

    A lunatic phone call to a paper threatening a midfielder, a lunatic letter to a manager, sectarian chanting, racist expressions – all these are to be utterly condemned, not excused because ‘themmuns’ do it.

    Usually it’s my party that gets accused of sanctimony – but this is yet another occasion when it’s everyone else that sits back in their glass house throwing stones, even if the stones are thirteen years old!

  • Doctor Who

    Oh Spartacus, in your defense you are obviously blinkered at what you think is right.
    However unlike the cinematic Spartacus I don´t think anyone is going to stand up and admit they are you.
    On a thread that you think is Unionist well of course your “liberal views” can only be taken with a pinch of salt.
    I know it´s getting off the beaten track a bit but I would be interested to know just why you think this is a Unionist site.
    I have not been ducking again as you say it and as you well KNOW I did not accuse Queens University of institutionalised racism or anti semitism for that matter.
    The anti semitism in question was in the form of personal abuse to myself on a verbal, written and physical nature simply because I was perceived as Jewish. I would further add that this abuse was not restricted to one side dishing it out, but when students tried to set up a Friends Of Israel branch which incidentally has members from every mainstream British Political Party, it was met with downright hostility from certain quarters.(I was not part of this set up)
    You really do have a problem, perhaps you can go to Iran and join in the Holocaust didn´t happen debate, and let me say again I was at that match in question and like many people around me I was disgusted. I guess you where outside rather naively condeming the state of Israel for their obvious and well reported goings on on the West Bank, while completley ignoring the major atrocities inflicted upon ordinary Israel folk by so called freedom fighters jumping on buses and killing innocent children.
    Hey Spartacus it´s a comforting thought that you actually get a vote.

  • papa lazarous

    Spartacus

    Did you know that Jews are really six foot lizards, and that they didn´t really get murdered by the Nazis and whats more the President of Iran is going to prove it.
    I guess you knew that already.

  • tim

    IJP

    “Usually it’s my party that gets accused of sanctimony – but this is yet another occasion when it’s everyone else that sits back in their glass house throwing stones, even if the stones are thirteen years old!”

    Is homophobia not wrong and sick

    Sean neeson etc….

  • Mustapha Mond

    papa lazarous

    Wanna buy any pegs Dave?

    Dr Who
    Did you know that the Semetic people also include Arabs?, nothing terribly pertinent to the thread just a bit of info. But it is used mainly to describe Jews.

  • Doctor Who

    Mustapha Mond

    Yes you are quite right, perhaps Spartacus can tell us all about it once he has taken his head out of the sand.

  • IJP

    Tim

    In the absence of any specific reference to comments made by that MLA, you are guilty of libel.

    Such things endanger this site. If you’ve got a point to make, get some references.

    I would ask Mick to remove your comments (and, at the same time, this response) forthwith.

  • Pat Jennings Fan
    “but did also mention about one of the players(the goalie?) getting assaulted later in the hotel. From what I can recall one or two of the Irish papers also wrote about it.”

    Yep, they wrote about an ice bucket being emptied on the goalie in the hotel by some bloke. But the other incidents Haaertz claim happened appeared not to have happened if the Israeli manager and the Gardaí present are to be believed. Just working from memory here.

  • Biffo

    mustapha mond

    ..(Sic)..New!? Paul McGrath begs to differ.

    Oh really? I seem to remember Paul McGrath being held in high esteem and great affection by RoI fans. Ooh Aah! Maybe you interpreted that as monkey chants – you were wrong.

    No it is’nt, its taught father to son, or through fear of the unknown. I have never met a person in my entire fcuking life who said “Racism is part of human nature”

    Maybe you aren’t meeting the right people mustapha.
    Do you and your friends believe that long ago one particular individual invented racism, taught it to his son, he passed it on to his son and ……..it caught on in a big way, and now it’s a world wide phenomonen.
    To say that racism is a learned behaviour is naive.

    ..or through fear of the unknown.

    That’s more like it – fear of the unknown is innate, like racism. That’s why racism has always existed all over the world.

  • Doctor Who

    Folks the point here is that while only a small minority of football fans worldwide are racist imbecils, it still is a problem.
    The fact that Brian Kerr has highlighted receiving these letters from what may or may not be ROI fans, shows the problems football is faced with.
    The protesters ouside the ground and the Israeli embassy at the ROI v Israel match are no better, using a football match for Propaganda purposes. While they are entitled to protest against what they see as a oppressive regime in palestine, they have no right to use a Sporting occasion as a soap box.
    Many in the South where quick to point their finger at their Northern Ireland neighbours when the Neil Lennon affair took off, so why the double standards.
    I still think that initiatives could be set up by the FAI to combat this before it gets out of hand and also to highlight that ROI is vastly becoming a multi cultural society.

  • spartacus

    Doctor Who:

    Did you not write the following in this thread?

    ‘As someone from a Jewish background I have endured many years of #### from many walks of life including anti semite literature from fellow under graduates at Queen´s University.’

    All I have asked you is to provide examples of what you consider anti-semitic literature. You haven’t and it now appears that what you are falling back on is the assertion that some nasty individuals handed you personal notes.

    I’m not, by any stretch, a Holocaust denier, but it does say something about how incredibly bogus the Zionist case has become that they have to dip into such rubbish anytime they are confronted with their crimes in Palestine.

    My last on this. It’s degenerated into a mud-slinging match, which I have no interest in.

    As to my assertion that this is a unionist-run site, that is simply a statement of fact, which I’m sure the moderators would be happy to confirm for you.

  • Doctor Who

    Spartacus

    The only person mud slinging here is you. You say on one hand that you would condemn any anti semitic sentiment and on the other you call me a liar and say any ctiticism of what you now refer to as the Zionist case, is met with allegations of anti semitism.
    I have not once accused you of this….however you do a good job of it yourself.
    You may like to know that Jewish folk who have no connection to the state of Israel whatsoever, are daily lambasted by people like you as being part of some sort of Zionist conspiracy.
    Again why are you holding every Jewish person responsible for what you say are Zionist crimes in Palestine. This is a view held by many extreme anti Israeli “thinkers”, who preach that the world must be rid of the Jewish curse.
    I suggest you go back under the stone you crawled from and take your David Icke conspiracy books with you.

  • spartacus

    doctor who:

    give it a rest, will you? you say that you have not once acused me of antisemitism. yet the following three are excerpts from three separate posts from you, all directed at me.

    ‘perhaps you can go to Iran and join in the Holocaust didn´t happen debate’

    ‘Maybe you think that I´m part of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy’

    ‘I suggest you go back under the stone you crawled from and take your David Icke conspiracy books with you.’

    perhaps you’d like to apologize, not having been aware of what you were suggesting.

    let me say it one more time. i am not ‘holding every Jewish person responsible for…Zionist crimes in Palestine.’ far from it. i have known dozens and dozens of anti-zionist jews who i do not hold the least bit responsible for any crimes visited upon palestinians. some of them had family that perished in the holocaust, and are sickened by the way that the israeli state has used that experience to try to sidestep its own culpability in racism, torture, aspirations to genocide.

    you began your foray out here with the assertion that you had witnessed anti-semitic literature being passed out at queen’s. i doubted that. you later qualified this to say you experienced hostility when trying to set up a ‘friends of israel’ group on campus. that clarified things a bit. you later qualified this further to say that it was personal, written ‘abuse’ that you yourself received personally, and not ‘literature’–as in, being distributed in public.

    caught out, doctor who. see you on down the line.

  • Doctor Who

    Spartacus, good to see your actually backing down from your earlier diatribe.
    Again you are wrong, If you read back you will see that I stated that I was not involved in the friends of Israel group, although there would be absolutely nothing wrong with it if I was.
    I am also not the only one to comment on the stench of your posts and the generalisation of Jewish people as obvious supporters of the state of Israel. (you now seem to be backing down from this) You now claim to know many anti zionist Jews whose families suffered in the Holocaust. It´s a bit late in the day to be coming out with that one, next you will be telling me you visit them for passover.
    Spartacus you are a prat but that dosn´t make you an anti semite, the stench of your earlier posts certainly indicate you have a problem with Jewish people, accusing them of hiding behind the Holocaust whenever the Palestinian problen is mentioned in the state of Israel thus associating every Jewish person with the state of Israel.
    I will finally add that I have not been ambiguous about literature being directed toward me at Queens University, I never once said it was being distributed. However if you where an undergraduate at the end of the eighties any regalia you may have worn that indicated you where Jewish would have got you a kicking in the students Union. Now if your not aware of the students union at Queen´s being a hot bed of differnt aspirations and political extremes, well then you haven´t been there.

  • Papa Lazrous

    Mustapha

    Your my wife now Dave.

    Have to agree with the good Doctor, some of the posts from Spartacus really do reek, and on that note this thread should end.

    Wanna buy some pegs Dave.

  • Realist

    “The sectarian singing and sectarian language directed towards Lennon on the other hand is well documented.”

    Jim,

    There is a sizeable swathe of ROI/Celtic supporters who would not consider the booing and jeering of Neil Lennon by so called Northern Ireland fans to be sectatian at all…in fact, they would encourage it.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    On the subject of the ooh aah Paul Mc Grath chant – does anyone remember when Nelson Mandela came to Dublin in 1990 and was met with ‘ooh aah Paul Mc Grath’s Da’. They had a hard time trying to explain that one to him.

    As for the good Doctor’s assertion that protesters ‘..have no right to use a Sporting occasion as a soap box…’what about the anti-apartheid demos at Lansdowne Road in 1970 when the Boks came to town?