IRA must give up all ill-gotten gains

Well that’s UUP MLA Fred Cobain’s view after meeting the US congressmen in Belfast today, on the price Sinn Fein should pay for getting back into the Assembly.

“What the British Government is trying to do is play smoke and mirrors with this issue and say that criminality has ended from last July,” the North Belfast Assembly member said. “Any of the criminality and ill-gotten gains before that could be swept under the carpet. There is no way unionists are going to accept that.Criminality in all its forms must end and that means the criminal empire that the Provisionals have built is going to have to be brought some way into the light for the police to deal with. Every piece of property, piece of land, business will have to be surrendered. They have a financial empire. We have seen that in some of the money-laundering stuff it is very sophisticated. Are we going to allow that to continue just because it was before the IRA statement in July 2005?”

  • heck

    Last year they told us the issue was guns. I said on this site that guns were not the issue and that the real issue was the fact that the majority of the unionist community does not want to share power with uppity fenians. I predicted that unionists would find another excuse. I hate to say it but —I TOLD YOU SO!!!.

    Since the disarmament by the IRA unionists have been thrashing around for another excuse. There was no disarmament , they must back the police, not this one. We even has “they hurt our feelings and call us Nazis.” (Who can forget the ridiculous Belfast Telegraph headline that father Reid had put the peace process in jeopardy.)

    Let’s face, the GFA is dead. It is dead because unionists don’t recognize nationalists as equals. Let’s go for joint authority.

  • smcgiff

    I see where you’re coming from, heck. But JA would end all possibilities of a UI.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    Why?

  • TAFKABO

    Is it wrong to want the assets of a large illegal organisation surrendered?
    I’d be happy to allow things to progress by themelves, but history shows we only get movement from republicans when we put pressure on them.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘Every piece of property, piece of land, business will have to be surrendered.’

    Imagine for a second that this argument had an ounce of merit, then it would be ‘how can we be sure they have handed over every piece of property,’ etc etc.

    When unionists pretend that they are consistent re illegal organisation, then they can indulge in argument. But like William humphrey they deliberately lie and twist the truth in an effort to mask the activities of their erstwhile colleagues.

  • Henry94

    The objective is to come up with a new slogan to keep the unionist coalition together.

    It only works if the British indulge it and I suspect those days are gone.

  • Comrade Stalin

    It’s a pretty ridiculous suggestion and another roadblock being erected by unionism. As Henry94 said, I think the time when they were taken seriously for pulling this crap is gone.

    Illegal assets are recovered by the Assets Recovery Agency – that is what it is there for. There are legal and judicial processes involved.

  • Good for Cobain. He can demand anything he wants. That’s SOP for politics in Norn Iron, real dog bites man stuff.

    What I’m curious about is the story’s linkage to the US congressional delegation he saw.

    Did Cobain use the Yanks as bait to draw the TV cameras so he could ritually dump on the Shinners?

    Or did the two beneficiaries of DeLay’s K Street Project so gross him out that he went on the warpath over ill-gotten gains?

    Just wondering.

  • martin ingram

    Just another Year

  • headmelter

    Just Tiresome.

  • Mickhall

    If you take a begging bowl to a door, you will be asked to sing for your supper, the GFA is a sectarian based sell out. Every time PRM jump through one hoop, like magic another appears. Its a mirror image of the Oslo accords. Shinners should take a look at what happened to Yasser Arafat, on the White House lawn one day, the next discredited and marginalized. If you don’t take a hard look at and start treating your leadership as mere mortals, that’s your future.

    Good luck is about all one can say.

  • yerman

    Fred wont get what he wants if Reg gets his way. Afterall, the combover king wants the UUP and everyone else back in Government with the provos within 6 weeks.

  • Yoda

    ^^^A typically helpful and constructive comment.

    Way to go!

  • Henry94

    MickHall

    Shinners should take a look at what happened to Yasser Arafat, on the White House lawn one day, the next discredited and marginalized. If you don’t take a hard look at and start treating your leadership as mere mortals, that’s your future.

    It’s not that the leadership are not mortals. It’s that they are good leaders and there isn’t another viable way forward on offer.

    Once the political road became an option the armed struggle became a drawback. It wasn’t spooks and spies that put us where we are today depite the outlandish claims of MI(6? 5? Who cares). In the first place it was 30,000 voters in FST and in the second place it was the Anglo-Irish Agreement which brought Dublin into the equation.

    I can understand the panic of the Ingrams and Kincaids of this world at the fact that all their efforts to keep Sinn Fein out of power are going to fail. But you are an intelligent republican and you should help make this work.

    Because the other options are a resumed armed struggle which will be opposed by almost everybody or the cul-de-sac of utiopian McCannism (Eamonn not Andrew)

    It’s a tough road ahead for Sinn Fein without a doubt but look at the people who are panicing at the prospect and wonder why.

  • Seano

    Tafkabo

    “Is it wrong to want the assets of a large illegal organisation surrendered?”

    Yeah you’re right, the British government should definitely surrender their illegal hold on Northern Ireland.

    “I’d be happy to allow things to progress by themelves, but history shows we only get movement from republicans when we put pressure on them.”

    I’m pretty sure the same could be said for the British government as well. Republican pressure, be it political or physical force, always seemed to nudge along the snail-like Brits.

  • Henry94

    Mickhall

    Here’s a report of the Sinn Fein convention in Mayo.
    Whre once there was nothing there is now a vibrant hard-working grass roots party. A serious party which will take a seat in Mayo one day.

    http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story.asp?j=28957

  • alfredo

    is that ‘pat mclarnon’ posting again, the rep of the sinn fein blog monitoring committee?

  • Henry

    Gerry has a good chance in Mayo and works his socks off.

    Mickhall

    You are better than these comments

    the GFA is a sectarian based sell

    What is your alternative? Armed struggle?

    If you don’t take a hard look at and start treating your leadership as mere mortals

    We do Mick, as you well know Republicans have never went for the “hero worshiping” option.

  • Mike Pawlows

    Unionists are afraid of equality. It’s as simple as that. They cannot get over it.

  • Crataegus

    IRA must give up all ill-gotten gains

    They should all walk bare foot and wear hair shirts while they are at it.

    As Comrade Stalin stated there is the Criminal Assets Agency.

    JUST GET ON WITH THE JOB YOU WERE ALL ELECTED TO DO!*!*!

  • ulsterscot

    The only non equals in the political environment in N Ireland are the democratic parties.They struggle through with funds between £250000/£500000 per annum(Alliance probably less than that).

    And then there is the super party Sein Fein £200-300 million of provo property,pubs,deisel racketeering etc – where’s the equality in that?

  • Crataegus

    Ulsterscot

    The point you raise is interesting but the way to deal with that is tighten up on political funding and political and election expenditure. (Party and candidate expenditure)

    The people who I feel are grossly disadvantaged are independents and fringe political organisations. When I look at the full colour posters and election addresses and the taxi services bringing people back and forward to polling stations my mental arithmetic has difficulty reconciling these costs with the permitted limits. Reduce the limits and it will soon become clear where abuse is occurring.

    I have seen political offices manned by people who are unemployed. State subsidy for that political party?

    It is obvious to my eyes that SF is not short of either finance or man power but I would not like to jump to conclusions.

    If there is inappropriate funding in any political organisation it will eventually surface and the more that organisation depends on it the greater the damage when it happens. If you are used to your local party office in some remote town and no shortage of posters and literature it is quite a blow to loose them.

    I agree it is not an even playing field.

  • Belfastwhite

    I believe the IRA would be happy to hand back any property accumulated over the last 36 years if the Brits and Unionists hand over all the land and property they illegally seized over the last eight hundred years. Have we got a deal?

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”if the Brits and Unionists hand over all the land and property they illegally seized over the last eight hundred years. Have we got a deal?”

    And while we’re at it the yanks can hand back all the land they stole from the native Americans and the Aussies can hand the big island back to the Aboriginies.

  • “And while we’re at it the yanks can hand back all the land they stole from the native Americans and the Aussies can hand the big island back to the Aboriginies.”

    Deal.

    Let’s start with Texas.