Say hello to the new boss..

of the Conservative Party that is.. David “call me Dave” Cameron, by a 2 to 1 margin of the total number of votes by Conservative Party members.. to the relief of the GNewsBlog’s Oliver King, not to mention his hat. The same as the old boss?.. the Conservatives will be hoping he isn’t.

  • Keith M

    So the less folically challenged William Hague has beaten the less folically challenged Ian Duncan-Smith. Excuse me, but I need a large yawn.

  • Duncan Shipley Dalton

    Hip hip hooray! Its a good start to a long process for the Tories.

  • Call me Dave!
    What’s in a name
    that which we call a Tory
    By any other name would be
    just as bad.

  • Henry94

    Bad news for the Unionists. Davis was their man. Cameron, the moderniser, will run a mile from them.

  • Shore Road Resident

    Not so.
    Newton Emerson had a piece on this in the Irish News a while back, looking at Cameron’s voting record on NI. Turns out he’s got an orange streak a mile wide (and so does Cameron!)

  • Elvis Parker

    Henry
    I dont think either Davis or Cameron would touch the unionists with a bage pole. DUP because they are bigots and UUP because they are dead in the water, have one Labour leaning MP and a loser as a leader.
    Admittedly Cameron will distance himself more than Davis however

  • Newton Emerson

    Glad someone’s paying attention…
    It wouldn’t be right to describe Cameron as having “an orange streak” but he has been surprisingly old-school Tory on Northern Ireland since years back. For example, he sat on the board of the NI Policing Federation and helped it to negotiate the PSNI Reserve’s severance package.
    He will still run a mile from the DUP, of course – but that doesn’t mean he’ll be hostile to ‘unionist’ causes.
    It’s too late now for the unionist fantasy hung parliament scenario though.
    I don’t think either main Westminster party, under any leader, would form a government propped up by Ian Paisley. They’d sooner call another election.

  • Hold on Duncan, don’t be jinxing him.

    More substantive comment hopefully anon.

  • Sorry guys but we need to clear up a few points.

    1. “Dave” C is a liberal, or if you prefer a CINO.
    2. “Dave’s” only substantive policy is to downgrade ecstasy – new conservatism? Blue Labour?

    It’s amusing to hear the notion that he’s “pro-Unionist” on the basis that he would run a mile from the representatives of the majority of unionists. Good insight there. Maybe he’s pro-Reg Empey, eh?

    Dave and his gang have sold the Tory electorate the idea that with a Blair lite leader they might get into power again. My response is; would we notice the difference. Cameron is an appeaser of terrorism – we know that because he opposed the UK troops taking on Jihadi in Basra -no doubt that will endear him to those commentators who still swoon for the Belfast Agreement.

  • Newton Emerson

    That NI voting record (or as much of it as I could be bothered looking up):

    David Cameron has voted against Sinn Fein expenses at Westminster, for tougher voting rules in Stormont elections, against more powers for the Belfast policing partnerships and for the retention of Crown symbols in Northern Ireland’s courts. However, he has also opposed the entire DUP parliamentary party over retaining the crime of blasphemy

  • Duncan Shipley Dalton

    My instincts about Cameron are loudly confirmed by both DV and the Watchman. You can both sulk in the corner with Simon Heffer. He likes specious, nonsensical illogical and overly emotive arguments as well.

    Cameron has the ‘potential’ to change the Conservative party. No new leader is the total solution but a position of authority can be used to stimulate positive growth and change within an organization. I think Cameron has the potential to do that by putting the real work onto the membership of the Conservative party. The party has long way to go before it is in tune with the needs and desires of the wider British electorate and until it is it won’t get power. This represents the start of that process of re-tuning and is a positive choice for the Conservatives.

    As for the effect on unionists, I really don’t care. The issue is whether this is good for the conservative party and the wider British Diaspora, the ins and outs of Cameron’s relationship with the DUP and UUP are not central to that question. Besides unionism needs to grow up and stop expecting a savior from the mainland to come and rescue them. The problems of unionism will need to be solved by unionism not by external sources of authority. When that realization bites then maybe some real work will get done by the unionist community before its too late. I remain hopeful despite all evidence to the contrary.

  • For once, I rather agree with Duncan insofar as I see this in the broader context of UK affairs and NOT how pally DC is with the DUP or UUP.

    Of course, since I consider Dave to be a Blair clone but with an Old Etonians background, and his jolly school-chums Boris and Oliver coming to the fore in the soon to be announed sexy new shadow cabinet, I wonder why the name of the Party shouldn’t change to Blue Labour? After all, it’s votes wot count, isn’t it and that might garner them a few more?

    Over on ATW, I have provided a small musical tribute to Dave and the gang, let it not be said that song cannot sooth the savage breast…well, maybe…grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

  • Newton Emerson

    BTW, did anybody see Newsnight last night?
    There should just be time to catch it online.
    The reporter they’ve had “embedded” with Cameron for the past six week was in the middle of a town centre walkabout when he suddenly turned to Cameron and said: “Do you believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins.”

    Now this would have been a brilliant wheeze for a comedian’s ambush, or an on-air prank – but for Newsnight? The BBC’s reaction to a possibly electable Tory leader has been amazingly blatant. First they landed Cameron with the drugs question. Now this. Next it’ll be something on sex no doubt. All fair enough if they’d be as bolshy towards New Labour – but not a chance. And would they have asked Michael Howard a question about Jesus?

    Cameron’s reaction was disappointing, for the record. He just mumbled and got his minders to push the guy away.

  • esmereldavillalobos

    In terms of the political cycle, this is just repetition (with a few subtle differences) of Labour and the Tories in the late 80’s/early 90’s. Long serving PM about to depart (though not stabbed in the back yet)and unelectable opposition turn to a young “moderniser” ( hopefully to steer the opposition a little to the left and not full to starboard as blair did) (not forgetting the old moderniser who died). This should then go… Brown wins in 2009 with majority of 20-30, Cameron takes it in 2014 if the party does not lose patience with him (hmm…). Folks this is not a huge sea change in British politics, it’s grass roots tories giving themselves a decade to be electable again and picking a young leader for that reason. He’s gonna have to be patient.

    BTW, is he really a moderniser anyway? Doesn’t sound a lot different in his rhetoric to Hague, IDS or Howard to my ears. In the 80’s would have been a Thatcherite, surely!

  • If they’d asked Howard about Jesus this is what he might have said.
    Jesus was a criminal, he broke the law.
    He said he was the king of the jews, this was blasphemy. and under the law this was punishable by death. If I had have been home secretary in Judea in 3 BC, I would have built more prisons; and ensured that wandering preachers would have to be actively seeking employment, or they’d be arrested

  • Duncan Shipley Dalton

    Just a quick brain teaser. If the free market represents the best method for the communication of information about individual preferences and if that information process leads to a maximization of efficiency then why in the marketplace of ideas is the popularity of the ‘liberals’ Blair Cameron etc not simply the correct market preference indicating the maximization of efficiency in ideas?

    Good point Newton I hadn’t seen that. By the way Cameron should have just turned it back and said ‘do you?’ or he could have been honest one way or the other, I don’t care if Cameron does or doesn’t. Though I would guess that Blair does believe it. Personally I think Jesus died because some Romans nailed him to a cross. This caused him to be unable to breathe properly unless he used his strength to lift himself up from the slumped position on the cross. As this is an impossible physical feat to accomplish for a prolonged period of time he ultimately was unable to lift himself and he died of asphyxia. In my view anyway.

  • Crataegus

    Much depends on how Cameron weathers the first 6 months to 12 months. He may have a rough time from a more experienced Labour team. Also sections of the media will be looking every possible flaw. Even if all goes right can he win the next election? Unfortunately my money would have to be with another Labour win. So how could he endure 9 years as Leader of the opposition? It is a tough job and I don’t see him lasting.

    I hope, at the very least, we have the start of a real opposition but frankly I can’t see it, because basically it is still the same old Parliamentary Conservative Party.

    As for Unionists of all varieties, this should be of peripheral interest. They themselves need to refocus and widen their base by putting positively, and confidently, the case for remaining in the UK.

  • Mickhall

    Will the Tory’s ever again be able to claim they are the party of law and order now they have a leader who admits he broke the law by taking class A drugs. What type of example does this set for our children and youth, when the members of a party who are forever going on about the need for more law and order, extra police etc; and wish to lock up people in the tens of thousands are quite prepared to elect a criminal as their leader if it suits their purpose.

    Is it any wonder most people despise politicians. I would love to know how many of those who voted for Mr Cameron actually sit on the bench as either judges or magistrates. You could not make it up. The hypocrisy of these people is obscene.

  • Duncan Shipley Dalton

    Mickhall, it doesnt stop the Republican party over here. Besides is he the only MP to have ever broken the law? Of my peers at University I distinctly recall being the only one who refused to smoke ‘pot’. They went on to become, policemen, civil servants, lawyers, bankers etc. i dont think it undermines their capacity to fulfill their positions.

  • Mickhall

    Duncan,

    I have no problem when people take responsibility for their drug taking and in the process support the decriminalization of all controlled drugs, if this is what they believe. But to admit to taking illegal drugs and then to vote for laws which will lock people up for breaking the very same laws you yourself refused to obey, smacks to me of seeing oneself as being above the law.

    Britain has already got a PM who believes he is above the law, does it need another.

    Regards.

  • Duncan Shipley Dalton

    Mickhall, as distinct from occupying a small country village or breaching the peace and then being a law and order guy?

    You could also consider that flawed creatures that we are human beings need to learn experientially and will some times make mistakes. Should it be the case that any person who has ever made a mistake in their life should be excluded from office? I think you are demanding a level of foresight that is unrealistic. My greatest concern would be if he had done such things and not learned from it to inform his judgment about the issue later on. Hopefully it is also a good lesson to him on the inequities of a social system that punishes some for such behavior but due to the realities of social and class position allows others to escape the same life consequences.

  • Duncan Shipley Dalton

    Actually when I think about it some more I would rather have an MP who is stoned on coke rather than high on Jesus like the 10(maybe 9?) of the twats we have to put up with in NI. Mind you the others make do with an outdated nihilistic ideology instead. (N.B. Except one who is a wonderful representative and a very nice lady (that narrows it down amongst the female MP’s I assume :)…)

    Ok enough playing I have a paper to write. Slugger is such great quality procrastination and I am such a cunctator!

  • Bob Wilson

    David Vance
    “It’s amusing to hear the notion that he’s “pro-Unionist” on the basis that he would run a mile from the representatives of the majority of unionists. Good insight there”
    David this is surely right? The DUP and the UUP are NOT pro Union they are merely Protestant Tribalists anyone who truely values the Union should run a mile from these parties.
    The greatest threat to the Union is the parocialism of those in Northern Ireland who beat their chests about being British whilst running six county parties aimed at maintaining Northern Ireland’s isolation from the real political life of the UK.

  • Bob,

    Would not disagree with you at all. I consider the two local Unionist Parties to have a Lilliputian vision – which is why I support neither. In fact one could argue that their isolation is from the global political realities, and their parochialism may be a badge of honour for some but it just makes me laugh. We need outward looking broader visioned politicians – but no-one with any sense would get involved with the unionist cabals that currently preside as our representatives! Include me out is my motto.

  • Curious

    Does he include residents of Northern Ireland?

    “People in this country are crying out for a Conservative Party that is decent, reasonable, sensible, commonsense, and in it for the long term of this country.
    And that is the party we are going to build, and I want EVERYONE to join in.
    To those watching at home, if you have a passion for positive politics, come and join us.
    If you want to build a modern, compassionate Conservative Party, come and join us.
    If you want me and all of us to be a voice for hope, for optimism and for change, come and join us. In this modern, compassionate Conservative Party, EVERYONE is invited. Thank you. “

  • fair_deal

    Henry94

    “Bad news for the Unionists. Davis was their man. Cameron, the moderniser, will run a mile from them.”

    While I realise you enjoy trying to promote doom and gloom among Unionists you overlook that one of Cameron’s key advisers is Michael Gove, one of the main critics of the Belfast Agreement in the London-based media.

    Have you anything to support why Davis would have been ‘Unionism’s man’?

  • Mickhall

    Duncan,

    I agree completely with your post. [number-21]

  • Crataegus

    Curious

    I must confess that it has always puzzled me why the Conservative, Labour, and Liberal parties do not properly organise here, and that we here are not given the opportunity to vote for parties that may form the government. In their absence, and in political isolation, we have constructed the political equivalent of the Kangaroo.

    They may not do well here, but that is insufficient excuse for denying us the opportunity to vote for or against them. Labour in particular have been downright obstructive against local organisation and would not the Alliance be much more attractive if replaced by, or part of the Liberal Party?

  • Curious

    Crataegus
    An alternative to the local parties would be nice! I used to support the UUP but they seem to have lost direction

  • Julian Robertson

    Whatever one thinks of David Cameron or the Conservative Party in gerneral,I don’t think anyone can doubt this marks a potential sea change for the Party and politics in general. I think we have begun to emerge from our self imposed twilight zone and can begin to build a credible alternative – that’s
    got to be good. I for one am very pleased.

  • Crataegus

    Julian

    I hope it means the start of some real opposition.

    Locally, with support you could do well in North Down, and elsewhere, but the party needs to aggressively assert that it is taking this place seriously and target key people. Given the choice between the current UUP and a committed Conservative Party I could see people switching allegiance. You could also appeal to people the Unionists repel. If the attempt is half hearted you will get nowhere.

  • Julian Robertson

    Crataegus

    Absolutely correct.

    I will of course be top of Cameron’s “to meet” list……..