Hain dithers over decision on UVF cease-fire

After yesterday’s IMC ad hoc report on the non-existent cease-fires, and a meeting today with SDLP leader Mark Durkan, Peter Hain’s comments, no official press release yet, are reported by the BBC and more fully by the Press Association, “My concern is to stop the murder and this awful violence which has just stained communities in Belfast and elsewhere. You do not necessarily do that by quick procedural fixes.” – At the risk of repeating myself.. again.. a quick-fix???

  • Young Fogey

    Maybe can import them for some sub-contracted law enforcement duties in South Wales – good enough for Belfast, good enough for everybody, I say.

  • overhere

    He didn’t seem to mind “quick procedural fixes” when he arrested Sean Kelly, funny that !!

  • Denny Boy

    I expressed in another thread my doubts that Hain will declare the UVF ceasefire at an end.

    Watch him try to convince the listening universe that black is not black, but actually the gloomiest shade of white imaginable.

  • irishman

    Given that you haven’t opened a thread on the sectarian blockades in Belfast, Pete, I’ve decided to put this comment on your thread.

    The disgraceful scenes on the Springfield, Crumlin and Ligoniel Roads are yet another indictment of the sectarianism running through the PSNI and unionist political leaderships.

    The PSNI have facilitated the protests inconveniencing largely catholic commuters and schoolchildren.

    Meanwhile, Paisley and Empey have threatened attacks on catholic communities if the Orangemen do not get the chance to parade through a catholic area to celebrate as UVF gunman killed after murdering a catholic in Belfast.

    Pete, shame on you for ignoring this while putting up threads on other issues. I seriously doubt that you would have avoided setting up such a thread if the protestant commuter belt of north Down had been blockaded by nationalists for three days.

    Incidentally, I’m not the only republican wondering if blocking protestant commuters coming from North Down and South/ East Belfast may be whatis necessary to make the unionist people rein in the dogs of war they have let loose on catholics this summer.

  • dave

    2 more uvf shootings in Armagh today and a uvf punishment shooting in east Belfast last night

    Business as usual

  • Denny Boy

    Admiral Hain: “Shootings? I see no shootings.”

  • fair_deal

    Irishman

    “Given that you haven’t opened a thread on the sectarian blockades in Belfast, Pete, I’ve decided to put this comment on your thread.
    The disgraceful scenes on the Springfield, Crumlin and Ligoniel Roads are yet another indictment of the sectarianism “

    So one community denyng access to a public road to another community constitutes is a sectarian act. Hmmmmmmm interesting.

    Peaceful protest is “disgraceful”. Hmmmmm.

    “to celebrate as UVF gunman killed after murdering a catholic in Belfast.”

    The parade is not to celebrate any such thing.

  • jim

    As far as i am aware, the Old Boyne Island Defenders orange lodge take part in the Springfield road march.

    This lodge commemorates several senior uvf murderers including members of the shankill butchers.

    The lodge also commemorate Brian Nelson, who died after murdering a Catholic civilian on the Crumlin road.

    I have no idea what the overall idea is behind this march (there are so many)but certainly part of the orange order parade will indeed be commemorating “”a UVF gunman killed after murdering a catholic in Belfast.”

    I presume convicted shankill butcher Eddie McIlwaine will be marching with his orange order colleagues in his lodge.

  • fair_deal

    Jim

    You are referring to a bannerette which is not carried on the Springfield Road so the claim the parade in part is abut a UVF gunman is wrong too. The OO acted on the publicly expressed concerns of the Springfield residents about the Lodge bannerette and particular band flags during its last peaceful parade along its full route (not that it made any difference).

  • irish

    Fair_deal

    Let’s face facts. Were nationalists to blockade protestant areas you would be screaming for weeks. Yet you maintain a silence on this blatant sectarian action.

    Your political leader has clearly given loyalists the go ahead to laucnh more attacks on catholics- a message picked up by Banbridge loyalists this morning. Indeed, Paisley Snr. is doing what Jnr did in Ballymena in July: call the UDA/UVF into action.

    On the back of this, Fair Deal, why should catholics not reciprocate and blockade unionists from getting to work and school?

    Me thinks the protestant people of North Down and East Belfast would not like the inconvenience of facing roadblocks on their way into the city centre. Nationalists could block all motorway entrances into Belfast and make areas like Suffolk a no go zone.

    My personal favourite would be to see the Peter’s Hill nationalist district blockading the Shankill.

    Is this what the Orange bigots want? Cause if it is, maybe they deserve a dose of their own medicine.

    As for the actual parade, would you support republicans organising a parade through the Workman Avenue interface onto the protestant side of the peace wall? Yes or No answer will suffice….

  • jim

    Was Shankill butcher Eddie McIlwaine a member of the orange order prior to his jail term or did he join the order after his release

  • fair_deal

    Irishman

    “Were nationalists to blockade protestant areas you would be screaming for weeks.”

    1. No I wouldn’t and it simply demonstrates you own closed mind about Unionists that you make automatic assumptions about what I would and would not do.
    2. Unlike you I don’t operate double standards on access to public roads. You defined a community being denied use of a public road by another as sectarianism not me. If you are unable to see the consequences of that statement and the duplicity of it simply demonstrates your myopia.
    3. People are angered by the decision. The anger is being channelled into peaceful protest. Is that not good? There are plenty who would want to channel it in different ways would you rather they are given free reign?
    3. I have made extensive comments on this site care to provide some that support your claim?

    “Nationalists could block all motorway entrances into Belfast and make areas like Suffolk a no go zone.”

    1. Nationalists during a number of protests have blocked the motorway and other roads (in fact they did so over a previous march that had been given permission and other issues). If it is a legitimate protest for nationalists why can Unionists not do the same? More double standards?
    2. Your claim of a blockade is also inaccurate. A blockade is when all routes are blocked. There is no nationalist area were all routes are simultaneously blocked. Pointless hyperbole to claim MOPEry.

    “why should catholics not reciprocate and blockade unionists from getting to work and school?”

    1. You don’t seem to realise how much you undermine your own case. If you refuse to share with another community in a divided society you get a domino effect. Therefore, the answer is not to tip the first domino and tolerate one another.
    2. Republicans claim to want to share power but not willing to share a road.

    “would you support republicans organising a parade through the Workman Avenue interface onto the protestant side of the peace wall?”

    1. Yes. I don’t seek to deny what I seek for myself unlike some.

    “Your political leader has clearly given loyalists the go ahead to laucnh more attacks on catholics-“

    1. Unionists leaders have called for peaceful protest.
    2. The Orange Order has called for peaceful protest
    3. The Moderator of the Presbyterian Church has called for peaceful protest.
    4. The local newspaper the Shankill Mirror has called for peaceful protest.
    5. Don’t judge the Unionist political leaders by the low standards of republican leaders. Leaders of the UVF and UDA do not take direction from the leaders of the UUP and DUP. Read their publications were they line up to slag off the two parties and the leaders.
    6. Are these the same political leaders that roundly condemned recent rioting in the area?

  • irish

    Fair Deal

    1. Ligoniel is a nationalist district which was effectively blocked off by loyalist thugs yesterday afternoon. These filth even denied a woman access who had a sick child in the home, telling her they’d burn her car if she didn’t turn around.- That’s the DUP idea of peaceful protest, is it Fair Deal?

    2. You are a liar- neither yourself no any other DUP member would countenance a republican parade on the protestant side of the peace wall in west Belfast. Proof? Look at Ballymena: your leader’s off-spring whipped the unionist henchmen into intensifying their annual anti-catholic pogrom by promising attacks if a nationalist parade was held in a nationalist part of that town, never mind a unionist part.

    3. The links between Unionist politicians and unionist paramilitaries are growing. Witness last night’s efforts by Paisley and Empey. Clearly bouoyed by UDA/ UVF promises to attack more catholics, they sought to overturn the Parade ruling. When they failed, unionist paramilitaries (to quote Edwin Poots from your party) ‘returned to what they do best’- i.e. cutting the throats of a young catholic in Short Strand.

    4. Were you to be serious about wanting equality, perhaps you would explain why your party refuses to share power with nationalists in every council where it is the majority?

    The blood of that young man in Short Strand is on the hands of every unionist politician who has whipped up tension in the past week, be it through support for these blockades or for the sectarian parade by the utterly repugnant scum the Orange Order bring with them on their cultural outings.