Republican parade covers 'failed' initiative?

Ian Paisley Junior has suggested that the organisation of a Republican parade to mark the 34th anniversary of the introduction of internment on 9th August in Ballymena is a cover for what he calls Gerry Adams’ ‘failed initiative’. Does he know something we don’t? In any case, he accuses Republicans of deliberately raising tensions in the town.

Over the past year, republicans have deliberately increased tensions and now we have a real concern that such a parade will lead to open violence on the streets of our normally peaceful town. The Protestant community would be deeply hurt and offended by such a parade, and through its elected representatives is demanding that it be banned. If republicans attempt to provoke this tension it could end in calamity for someone who will be made a victim of a criminal attack. We are concerned that such a situation be avoided and are appealing for wise heads and steady nerves to prevail.

  • irishman

    Priceless stuff from Paisley Jnr.

    A nationalist parade through a nationalist district of a majority unionist town should be banned?

    If so, then it raises questions about ALL loyalist parades in Derry, Newry, Omagh, Glenavy, Crumlin and many, many more places.

    It’s intriguing how quick unionist politicians are to use loyalist paramilitaries to back up their political stances. Here, Jnr is obviously using the threat of sectarian violence against catholics in Ballymena to back up his position.

    Once again, evidence that political unionism retains a strategically comfortable relationship with their paramilitaries.

  • middle-class taig

    Staggering double standards.

    I love the idea of the tiny nationalist community in Ballymena stoking the fires of sectarian conflict.

    “The Protestant community would be deeply hurt and offended by such a parade”

    Why? Don’t they believe in the rule of law?

  • Chris Gaskin

    It’s different when it comes to the fenians. Pricless stuff from the Red Berry brigade.

  • Wichser

    Unfurr ? Whad abowd the suvvull and rullugjuss labberty aw thuh Prawhdustunnt peeepuhl aw Bahwhluhmeeeenuh sham ?

  • willowfield

    Staggering hypocrisy by both Adams and Paisley.

  • ballymena citizen

    AS an open minded observer from the town itself i feel i am better placed to state my comment on a republican parade within the town.

    Firstly, i have no problem with ANY parade of ANY tradition marching/parading within the town of Ballymena.

    Secondly and most importantly, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A REPUBLICAN PARADE IN BALLYMENA.

    My Reason – I do not believe blatant provocation should be met by anger/violence.

    I have little doubt that Sinn Fein is embarrassed by Ardoyne, the violence caught on camera from the “eye in the sky” in Ardoyne that day. I also know that Sinn Fein must feel slightly undermined by those who failed to listen to their calls for peace in Ardoyne that day, particularly dissidents on the ground that day who recklessly endangered the lives of citizens and police officers by THROWING blast bombs which could have landed ANYWHERE.

    To hold a republican parade in ballymena is simply ingenius. Sinn Fein knows it will be opposed, they know by including the Protestant dominated Fry’s Rd within their route that it will cause anger and friction. They know that the narrow-minded, ill-educated, young and naive ‘loyalists’ of ballymena will succomb to the BLATANT provocation. Sinn Fein know that the probability of opposition through violence on the day, as well as the weeks leading up to and after are highly probable. THIS IS WHY THEY WISH TO PARADE THROUGH BALLYMENA.

    At the moment unionists can use Ardoyne as an example of hatred, hypocrisy and sectarianism directed towards them.

    Sinn Fein wish to take this card from them and make Ballymena their ACE card.

    As usual the DUP is one step behind Sinn Fein and have failed to realise this.

  • reality check

    A historical parade could take place in the bigoted anti-catholic bible belt.I for one sure hope it does!The tricolour flys in some parts of north ballymena anyway

  • Macswiney

    The right to parade in a peaceful manner in pursiut of your civil and religous liberties? Except, it seems, when the parade is a nationalist parade. This is truly classic stuff from Mr Paisley Junior. Hypocrisy is alive and well. PS On what basis or knowledge did the DUP delegation state that there could be ‘open violence’ if the parade went ahead. From whom? Do the DUP know who these people are? Would they condone or understand such actions? In what way would such open violence differ in moral terms from the events in Ardoyne? Lots of questions here for the DUP but I suspect few answers will be forthcoming…

  • beano; EverythingUlster.com

    Leaving aside the inflammatory comments of “reality check” (how ironic) above, I think Ballymena Citizen has hit the nail on the head. Violence is exactly what Sinn Fein want. Here we have a party that thrives on division and of its people being the victims of said division. When they are no longer the victims – why bother with Sinn Fein at all?

    Anyway, if Fry’s road is mainly Protestant then by all means appeal to the Parade’s Commission to have the march re-routed. But I pray (or if I was religious, I would) that the people of Ballymena don’t lower themselves to the level of the scumbags rioting on the streets of Ardoyne on the 12th.

  • qubol

    “Protestant dominated Fry’s Rd”

    what part of ballymena are you from citizen? I live off the frys road and it doesnt seem to protestant dominated to me – granted it has a protestant church but is certainly not dominated. anyway i wont be part of this parade although I will support it as it cleverly exposes the Unionist hypocrites of Ballymena. Hopefully they’ll be no trouble – I hear Wrights are too busy building this new tram bus.

  • Brian Boru

    I thought the DUP supported the right to march. Or is that just for Protestants?

  • VICTOR1

    To ballymena citizen, So your understanding is that Republicans need this parade to show Unionists/Loyalists to be sectarian/hate filled hypocrits I would suggest they have been more than capable of proving that themselves and without the help of Sinn Fein, as for a parade in Ballymena why not? it could quite possibly become a “Traditional Parade” and a magnificant cultural spectacle for one and all to enjoy, something along the lines of the 12th of July.

  • Dessertspoon

    Without wishing to infringe on anyone’s rights to parade or march or whatever….why in this instance have they chosen a parade to mark this anniversay?

    As Ballymena Citizen said could it be that SF want to provoke violence? Why is IPJ getting so worked up, could it be that the DUP want to provoke violence? As Beano said SF thrive on division but so do the DUP they are just two sides of the same coin. Let’s hope some common sense prevails but as this is Norn Iron I won’t be holding my breath.

  • fair_deal

    This is being organised by the “William Orr Commemoration Committee”. What has William Orr got to do with an anti-internment commemmoration?
    Why Ballymena? Was Orr not from Farranshane/Carrickfergus direction?
    The IRA’s antecedents are the Catholic defenders not the United irishmen movement.
    However leaving all of this aside.

    As someone whose family turned out in 1798 I somehow doubt I’ll be running to join this event.

    Rights are like dominoes. Once they are denied to one community in one place it is inevitable than that this becomes returned in kind. It is a cycle than helps no one.

    What the organisers need to do, meet the basic requirements of an organiser in any democratic state
    1. Co-operate with the authorities in planning the management of their event e.g. meet with the PSNI
    2. Demonstrate they have sufficient parade management in place to ensure it will be conducted peacefully.

    If these are met the authorities should approve the march. If they are not it should be refused. If the decision is unacceptable to the parade organisers it should be made subject to judicial review.

    What Unionists in Ballymena should do about this parade
    1. If they believe the authorities have erred in their decision they should seek a judicial review otherwise they should accept the decision ofthe authorities.
    2. It seems clear from the statements that a number feel strongly opposed to a demonstration by militant republicanism. This strength of feeling must be channelled positively. A submission for a protest should be made. The protest organisers should ensure it is properly marshalled to maintain a peaceful protest.
    3. As they are abusing the name of William Orr I would suggest the DUP should use their control of the Council to promote an educational programme through its community relations budget museum etc on the pre and post United Irishmen period.

  • reality check

    Of course the fry’s road is protestant.theres red,white and blue kerbstones and union jacks up every where.No wait theres not.Its a mixed middle class area.I wonder if billy mccaughey will threaten violence or organise loyalist protests at harryville?the catholic people of ballymena have rights too you know!

  • willowfield

    The sensible thing for those opposed to the Provo march to do, in my view, would be to completely ignore it. This would have two effects: (1) it would minimise media attention, and therefore remove any publicity or propaganda value from the march; (2) it would contrast sharply with the intolerance of the nationalist community elsewhere.

    A protest will simply draw attention to the march and will be viewed, not as an issue surrounding Provo parades particularly, but parades generally. It will merely serve to advance the Provo agenda, which is to curtail parading, the effect of which is to inhibit the unionist community, for whom parading is a significant cultural activity.

    I agree with Fair Deal’s comments about William Orr. It is dreadfully cynical and dishonest for the Provos to be parading in his honour. Quite appalling, actually.

  • reality check

    and remind me what exactly you know about republican history willowfield?

  • fair_deal

    Agreeing with me again willowfield it must be the effect of BDL ;-).

  • Keith M

    “Adams initiative” surely an oxymoron?

  • The Dog

    Why is everyone assuming that Sinn Féin have anything to do with this march.

    I can state without fear of contradiction that it has nothing to do with republicans but is the macinations of disidents who have been active in a number of estates in Ballymena and are total opportunist.

    That said the responses of the ‘leaders’ of unionisms is pretty unforgiving.

  • VICTOR1

    what are dissidents ??

  • qubol

    The Dog is right – its nothing to do with Sinn Fein or the provos its been organised by disidents in the town.
    the march should go ahead, ill take no part but what about the idea where ANY contentious marchs happen they are forced to go early in the morning and Off liciences/pubs are closed – just like in football derby games. So much violence happens in the evenings and when participants have had one too many.

  • Henry94

    It is very important for all concerned to be consistent in their understanding of rights.

    As I see it the Unionist poition is that anyone should be allowed march anywhere without consultation of any sort. They have no basis in consistency for opposing this parade.

    But republicans too have to be consistent. They have siad that residents objections need to be respected so they must be willing to meet the residents of any part of the route to discuss the issue and negotiate.

    You can’t ask for rights for yourself you would deny to others.

  • reality check

    its a pity paisley jnr wasnt as quick to condemn attacks on harryville chapel and the forcing out of a catholic grandmother in ahoghill.I thought that was raising tensions as well.What a hypocrite

  • BogExile

    I had to live in Ballymena and work there as a reporter in the early 90’s. It was an incredibly depressing place and there was a huge amount of ‘croppy lie down’ sentiment in the municipal air. This of course has no bearing on another load of Shin Fein wind-up-chavs trying to goad the town prods into a nice media ruck but I’m still bitter about existing on £90 a week and washing my clothes in the bath. Can I go now?

  • Biddy

    Why is the March being held in Ballymena and not, say, in Derry where there is a larger Nationalist community and more inhabitants with memories of the days of Internment than somewhere like Ballymena?

  • ballymena citizen

    May i make it clear i have no problem with a republican, budhist, muslim or other parade within the town of ballymena.

    The problem arises from the motivation behind the parade.

    I agree there is a number of dissidents within ballymena, as there are in Dunloy, Maghera and surrounding towns and villiages around Ballymena. I am glad you and Sinn Fein are readily available to defend a parade allegedly(by those of u commenting) organised by dissidents. The same dissidents who’s activities Sinn Fein themselves have comdemned.

    It is widely accepted that dissidents would be unable to operate or organise anything without the support and nod from the provissional i.r.a. and Sinn Fein.

    May i quote “The Dog”:
    “Why is everyone assuming that Sinn Féin have anything to do with this march.”

    ANSWER: Philip McGuigan of Sinn Fein who resides in Dunloy – several miles from ballymena – was on camera defending such a parade and endorsing it’s “purpose”.

    I stand by what i said earlier, Sinn Fein NEEDS ballymena to point to when Ardoyne is thrown at them.

    It’s ingenius, it’s brilliant. I have no doubt it will get support from many republicans. I have no doubt it will get the anticipated response from “loyalists” which it is designed and planned to do.

    One last thing, have the dissidents, who align themselves with the real and continuity ira, earned the right to have their rights respected? Did they respect the rights of the overwhelming number of people who endoresed the GFA? Did they respect the teenagers, children and unborn children who were recklessly murdered in Omagh? AND should the ordinary people of ballymena, who’s businesses and lives were targeted before Christmas last year by the same dissidents, respect their right to march provokingly down a road who’s majority residents do not wish to see them?

  • reality check

    what do you think of orange parades going by the catholic market road area?if billy mccaughey threatens violence would you take it seriously?

  • reality check

    rasharkin and carnlough residents are forced to endure orange marches in their own catholic majority villages yet this isn’t highlighted.

  • Dessertspoon

    You need to change your name Reality Check. Your comments are never moments or statements that help others become aware of the true state of affairs. They are just pseudo Republican claptrap (thanks to An Post).

  • reality check

    can you answer my question in a fair,impartial way?

  • VICTOR1

    Tell me do Ballymena citizen what is the motivation behind Orange marches if not to keep cropys down ?

  • ballymena citizen

    Victor1 – ask an orangeman or woman, or dive into the traditions of other cultures through books, tv documentaries, etc. Then judge.

  • VICTOR1

    Unfortunately Ballymena I have first hand knowledge of Orangemen and their traditions, when each year I am hemmed into my home night after night to allow them to march around the area I have lived in for the last 40yrs, an area which neither wants them nor supports their cause, culture nor music!I would say I’m a fair judge wouldn’t you.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Where are you from “Victor1”? I got the feeling that you weren’t from our “wee spot of Europe”.

    You asked “what are dissidents”, which shows a level of ignorance that causes me to think that you’re not from Northern Ireland.

    Also, all this pseudo-republican claptrap about the motivation behind Orange parades being “to keep cropys down” leads me to believe that you could be an “Irish” American wannabe who believes and is sucked in by all the bile and sectarian slurs that “Friends Of Sinn Fein” feeds you.

    Set me straight if I am wrong…

  • cONCERNED lOYALIST

    Obviously with that last post of yours I am wrong about the American part, but where exactly have you been the last 7 years? You must have known dissident republicans operating in the ranks of the “Real” and “Continuity” IRA carried out the evil Omagh atrocity!

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Obviously with that last post of yours I am wrong about the American part “Victor1”, but where exactly have you been the last 7 years? You must have known dissident republicans operating in the ranks of the “Real” and “Continuity” IRA carried out the evil Omagh atrocity!

  • VICTOR1

    Sorry I confused you let me set you straight, my “what are dissidents” comment was a slight tounge in cheek remark as I do not believe there are any dissident Republican groups just there are no Loyalist dissidents. As for the pseudo-republican claptrap, sorry again, this would be my informed opinion gained from the experiences described above.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    “informed opinion gained from…experiences” living where in Northern Ireland?

  • reality check

    there any virtually no dissedents in b’mena.just hoods who think they are.loyalists however actively recruit and carry out activites in harryville,ballee,ballykeel,various doury rd estates.

  • Dunclug protestant

    I wonder how many of these poor aggrieved catholics posting so fervently on here actually know who William Orr was or where he came from? As a protestant living in the increasingly hate filled dunclug park estate i feel compelled to put my points across .Firstly , i dont deny catholics their rights and never have done , i have many catholic friends through work etc. and as fa as im concerned they have as much right to live as i do , but, protestants also have rights.I have the right to live in a house which i bought over 20 years ago in the estate when people could live in harmony with one another despite the troubles in other parts of the country.This right is being denied to me as my home, and the homes of many other protestant families in the area , have been the subject of repeated stone throwing attacks , paint bomb attacks and even bomb hoaxes by the so called ” republicans ” trying to ethnically cleanse the estate.Irish tricolours have been erecte on every lamp post and have even spread out onto the cushendall road.I have never rammed my religion down anyones throat and don’t appreciate someone elses being rammed down mine.This parade is the “brain-child” of the ever visible Sinn Fein contingent in our area.They have been actively encouraging youngsters in the area to harrass protestants from their homes through any means possible from just continuously causing annoyance by congregating outside our houses and acting in an intimidating manner to the more sinister methods mentioned previously.As a protestant i am being denied my basic civil rights on a daily basis , even a trip to the local shops can result in a hostile and menacing atmosphere as i pass groups of young thugs hanging about the place.Obviously Sinn Fein are intent on ridding our estate of protestants totally then they’ll turn their attention to the other areas such as dunvale millfield etc until theres not a protestant left.Well i for one wont be intimidated from our home where we happily raised our family and taught them that protestant and catholic are equal.Hopefully the parades commission will have the good sense to see through this attempt to provoke violence in our area as i know that if a loyalist backlash is forthcoming then our homes will be targetted with increased venom as a result.Sinn Feins “Ireland of Equals” looks increasingly bleak from where im sitting they protest about parades in the Ardoyne area of Belfast and in Dunloy yet they are attempting to do exactly what they say they want to put an end to in Ballymena. Perhaps the Unionist and Nationalist councillors of our town can show some solidarity with protestants in the dunclug area as we seem to have been forgotten amid the cry for rights for others .WE HAVE RIGHTS TOO!

  • North Ballymena

    I agree that there are no dissident republicans in ballymena but that they are all under the one umbrellaof the provisional ira.This was seen to be the case when the strangely silent sinn fein/ira mouthpiece that is Michael Agnew rose to his feet in Ballymena courthouse and applauded the ” dissidents” who were caught red handed with fire bombs in the fisherwick area.Since this incident Mr Agnew has been kept out of the public eye in ballymena but recently raised his ugly head(for want of a better description) as a republican mob stopped orange marchers in kilrea on july 12th.Why was he in kilrea in the first place as he is obviously an embarrasment who acts before he thinks.The dogs on the street know Sinn Fein are behind the trouble in ballymena , they have bussed in the rent-a-mobs from dunloy and rasharkin in the past and no doubt they are coming again if this ira march gets the go ahead.Word on the street is that mayhem is on the cards with troublemakers gathering to confront the republicans on parade common sense should prevail and let them have their march, that would put the issue of contentious parades to bed in ballymena as sinn fein/ira wouldnt have a leg to stand on as far as protests are concerned.Loyalists, use your heads and seize the high ground , let them have their 2 hours of ” glory” then use it to settle the parades issue in the town.

  • reality check

    first and foremost im not aware of any concentrated campaign to drive protestants out of dunclug.if there is i unequivocally condemn it.But the loyalist attitudes in ballymena are anonther thing.force orange parades through catholic areas,attack chapels because they know they wont be prosecuted,intimidate catholic residents etc.this march is about nationalists showing they won’t be suppressed,they took it for long enough and wont take it any more

  • DCB

    Don’t worry reality check, I for one don’t beleive it, for republicans as we all know could never be secterian

  • irishman

    The DUP’s promise of violence against catholics in Ballymena has come to fruition- with a UVF man as their PRO in North Antrim, they clearly had an inside line on this one.

  • slug9987

    Dunclug protestant, thanks for giving us the situation, depressing as it is. To think that Dunclug was still a model of a happy mixed housing estate only a decade ago.

  • reality check

    dcb.The incidents i listed are all true and will continue to take place

  • reality check

    slug-and what about the numerous catholics forced out of harryville,ballykeel etc?

  • reality check

    north ballymena-how can you say its an ira march?i doubt they’ll be carrying banners and flags which are illegal unlike loyalists.sinn fein haven’t organised it so where’s the ira connection?oh yes was the various sectarian attacks on catholic property last night linked to people who have your viewpoint?loyalists cant protest peacefully-they have to resort to violence like attacking catholic churches-how sickening hypocritical as usual

  • North ballymena

    Firstly let me condemn the idiots who have carried out these attacks on catholic owned properties and even worse , places of worship.Next let me answer reality check .Sinn Fein mouthpiece Philip Mcguigan was on national television explaining what the parade was for so id say that answers your question on sinn fein involvement.I , and the rest of the world, have seen the “peaceful” protests of republicans year after year at ardoyne, garvaghy rd , londonderry ….. the list goes on.Id also like reality check to list the names of people who have been forced from their homes in harryville or ballykeel and when these forced evictions took place.Many catholics live in these areas with no bother at all and have done for years.The morons who attacked church property and catholic owned businesses dont represent me or my community in any way shape or form.Have a look back through the violence of recent years in the town and im sure you’ll see exactly what republicans backed up by sinn fein/ira have been responsible for in ballymena.Year after year they have been rioting in the area where i live and whether you like it or not , protestants are being intimidated from their homes in the dunclug area and this has been going on now for a number of years.

  • slug

    reality check let me be clear that I am against all intimidation, whatever the source. For example the one in Ahoghill last fortnight. Terrible.

  • real world

    In the past fifteen years the number of Catholic school children attending St Mary’s primary school in Harryville has dropped from over 400 to just 40 and as a result the school is now closing. This would lead me to the conclusion that a vast number of Catholic families have left the area and yes many of them were intimidated out of their homes beginning around the time of the Harryville protest. The same can not be said of the state school at Dunclug which is, to the best of my knowledge, flourishing.
    North ballymena can I assume that you are also Dunclug resident, as you share the same email address, and if so could you clarify your position on this republican parade? Do you want the parades commission to ban the march in order to prevent the violence you so readily expect or do you want the march to go ahead in order to ‘settle the parades issue in the town’?

  • slug

    While on schools, one of NI’s most successful integrated schools – Slemish – is in Harryville of all places…!

  • slug9987

    The best thing if the parade goes ahead is simply to let it happen and not go to it.

  • Remember Orr

    Just to put one or two things to bed first of all the organising body of the parade is called “The Friends of William Orr Rfb” not William Orr Historical Society.The parade is not to commemorate William Orr but to remember the anniversary of internment with a march instead of the anti-community, anti-social bonfires that have led to violence. “The Friends” that I speak of are relatives and former and present members of the band from Ballymena who after cosultation with the young people of the area organised the parade. You can’t ask the young people to give up something without putting something back in its place. The unionist paramilitaries of Ballymena do not need an excuse to attack nationalists.Has anyone noticed how quite Baby Doc Paisley has been after his initial sabre rattling set the wheels of hate in motion. Would nationalists on this site please stop using british media inspired terminology like “dissidents” to describe the people organising the march, you can be a Republican without belonging to Sinn Fein.

  • Southern Republican

    Ha, this isnt gettin enough media attention in the south. This is quite double despite what anyone says, the only hting which seperates this march from an orange order one is it’s denomination and the time period it ocured. All these marches are provocative, and are meant to be hurtfull, and to basically give another F U to the opposite crowd. Everything always seems to be going well until marching season(well relatively)

    Bah lousy rant… Point is it is hypocritical for the DUP to criticise any march, but only as hypocritical as Adams and the boys tryin to start to “marching traditions” that he himself claims damages, and underfoots his own community.

  • Southern Republican

    Ha, this isnt gettin enough media attention in the south. This is quite double standards despite what anyone says, the only hting which seperates this march from an orange order one is it’s denomination and the time period it ocured. All these marches are provocative, and are meant to be hurtfull, and to basically give another F U to the opposite crowd. Everything always seems to be going well until marching season(well relatively)

    Bah lousy rant… Point is it is hypocritical for the DUP to criticise any march, but only as hypocritical as Adams and the boys tryin to start to “marching traditions” that he himself claims damages, and underfoots his own community.

  • slug

    It needn’t get any media attention. It is simply a parade and best treated with disinterest for nonparticipants.

  • Southern Republican

    True, but to nerdy types like myself it interesting :-(. Also didnt it occur to your that perhaps marches will begin in the south, like there used to be. There was a time there was a monthly march in every town for diffrent heroes( In the Republic).

  • slug

    Interesting that its a republican thing too. I’m not a fan of opposing parades. Let a thousand flowers bloom! Ballymena is a far more civilised place than its given credit for. It is no Ardoyne.

  • Southern Republican

    bah Let’s see what happens if they march, then we’ll see the “tolerance”

  • slug

    Indeed!

  • rusty

    “Ballymena is a far more civilised place than its given credit for. It is no Ardoyne.”

    Tell that to the parishiners who worship at Harryville.

    Very civilised !!

  • slug

    Rusty, indeed and you will have seen my comments about Harryville earlier today. On the other hand, its important to point out that Ballymena is one of the few places in NI’s history where one of NI’s “traditions” turned out to protest against the extremists on its own side – and that was again at Harryville under the UUP mayor James Currie. And on the Catholic side the thing was handled so as to keep things cool. The whole thing was managed by moderate people on both sides. No Ardoyne – I stick with that.

  • irishman

    Slug

    Such a moderate place is Ballymena. We loyal people attack not one but 3 catholic chapels in July and 2 bars into the equation. Not Ardoyne indeed……..

  • slug

    Irishman: an understandable riposte given the headlines 🙂 However, putting aside the days events and looking at the deeper picture I hold to what I say. Ballymena is not Ardoyne.

  • VICTOR1

    Why put aside any events slug, do the events surrounding the attacks on catholic homes, places of worship, and recreational places NOT make a difference to your opinions ? Because thier are not riots (YET) does not change the facts, the problems in Ardoyne are the very same problems, Orange sectarianism, Loyalists are getting a free hand to carry out sectarian attacks mainly because people excuse thier violence or like yourself claim it to be different or not as bad as! You state above the whole thing at Harryville was handled by moderate people, I would suggest there is nothing moderate about a Loyalist murdere.Richard Dallas a UUP mayor at the time of the protesets . Dallas said that the idea that loyalists should still be standing outside the church was ” hardly believable. To call a spade a spade, this is sectarianism. The symbolism of Harryville stinks. We have all come across sectarianism in many forms, from the crude taunts at football matches to our subtle use of language, intimidation and violence. Harryville still keeps rearing its ugly head. Harryville is not about Orangemen wanting to parade up the main street in Dunloy to participate in a religious service……Dunloy does not justify or verify those Harryville protesters. Harryville is about antagonism and sectarianism. Unionists and Orangemen must get their message broadcast and accepted – the Harryville protests are wrong.”
    Moderate people indeed!!!

  • VICTOR1

    Typo error above!!!!
    Loyalist murderer.Richard Dallas a UUP mayor at the time of the protesets wrote.

    Sorry for any confusion.

  • reality check

    The parade should be called off due to loyalist intolerance.they can’t stand to see natonalists having culture.imagine if the people in the bar in martinstown hadnt got out,they would have died!yet loyalists wouldnt haved cared at all.mervyn storey’s comments didn’t help either

  • DCB

    Sad day for republicans when aping the OO masquerades as culture

    The hypocracy on both sides is mindblowing

  • North Ballymena

    Perhaps real world would like to refer to the article not so many weeks ago in a local weekly newspaper regarding dunclug primary school.Numbers 10 to 15 years ago were over 300 pupils and now its barely over 100 pupils thats not exactly the progress of a flourishing school is it? We could sit here all day saying ” what about this ” and “what about that” ,the fact of the matter is , i dont go around attacking catholic homes churches or property and i wholeheartedly condemn anyone who does.They dont represent me i despise such actions .We all know theres good and bad on both sides of the divide but equally we know that this parade , organised incidently by an ex republican bomber from Antrim no less , will make this ” divide ” even greater .I see Agnew was putting his tuppenceworth in to a local paper last night trying to convince people its got nothing to do with sinn fein .Maybe he thinks the people of ballymena are as gullible as the rest of the country , the republican mask has slipped once too often in the past its come to the point now where no one believes them any more.While were on the subject could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly William Orr has to do with internment ?

  • slug

    Good discussion guys.

    First off, to Victory, thanks for picking up on my earlier post. I wanted to put aside the days events – awful as they are – because I wanted to look at the deeper picture. very much agree with what the UUP mayor Dallas said in those quotes. My point about the moderate people was that the Harryville protest was a terrible thing but that moderate people on both sides – including the then UUP Mayor James Currie and the then catholic priest who were against the protest and saw how wrong it was – acted to diffuse it. (I most certainly did NOT mean that the people who took part in the church picket were moderate – they most certainly were not!)

    Second off, to North Ballymena, whatever you may think of the parade, or the motivation of its organizers, the best thing is just to let it happen with no fuss.

  • reality check

    The fact is low life loyalist scum in ballymena would kill someone to show objection to this parade.They’ll probably target catholics elsewhere.robin sterling,martin clarke,roy gillespie,ian paisley snr and jnr,davy tweed,sam gaston and billy mccaughey wheres your usual loudmouth comments?

  • DCB

    slug

    if they let it happen with no fuss then they would have allowed SF to score a rare own goal.

  • G_Blue_Crumlin

    Interesting to read “Irishman’s” comments at the start of this debate.

    My little home town, Crumlin, and its ‘quiet’ little neighbour Glenavy used to be great wee places. Everyone was friendly, no matter what “side” you were on. Community events were staged and enjoyed by all people. Nowadays, the main streets are ruled by republican thugs, who terrorise the inhabitants (again on both sides) with their intimidation and vile abuse of common sense.

    Surely we should be looking at things like this were we can get back to enjoying our history together and keep the chaved up thugs in their place. (Why do they all have silly little moustaches as well??)

    I suppose we could look at it the other way and congratulate the republican movement on commemorating a soldier of King Billy who fell at the Battle of the Boyne. William Orr, surely the first name would give them a hint 😉

    G

  • emer

    is this parade off or on. ive missed the news. o well … just one point to make in the interests of clarity . i live on the frys road. ive never felt dominated by protestants. quite the opposite. friendly with some of my neighbours who may be protestants (ive never asked to be honest)but never dominated. but its a bit inaccurate for Ian junior to say its a predominantly Protestant area. At a guess, at the very very least – its well mixed, but I reckon with a RC bias purely because of where it is ie near St Pats School, the Chapel etc. Anyway – just saw a nice thing the other day. 2 youngsters practising their hurling in the carpark of the evangelical Church of God on the Frys Road. all our kids play together here on the road.Way it should be really. as regards the parade, definitely the majority of catholic opinion in this end of the town is against it. spoke to several Shinners over the past week or two who are like-minded. feel its unnecessary and they are definitely uneasy about it, particuarly given the suspicion that the dissidents may be behind it all. im suitably comfortable with my irishness that i dont need guys in hoodies erecting tricolours and painting kerbstones to remind me what i am. im interested to hear what the sdlp make of it. im an admirer of their role in the community here in the town, particuarly cllr o’loan.

  • emer

    is this parade off or on. ive missed the news. o well … just one point to make in the interests of clarity . i live on the frys road. ive never felt dominated by protestants. quite the opposite. friendly with some of my neighbours who may be protestants (ive never asked to be honest)but never dominated. but its a bit inaccurate for Ian junior to say its a predominantly Protestant area. At a guess, at the very very least – its well mixed, but I reckon with a RC bias purely because of where it is ie near St Pats School, the Chapel etc. Anyway – just saw a nice thing the other day. 2 youngsters practising their hurling in the carpark of the evangelical Church of God on the Frys Road. all our kids play together here on the road.Way it should be really. as regards the parade, definitely the majority of catholic opinion in this end of the town is against it. spoke to several Shinners over the past week or two who are like-minded. feel its unnecessary and they are definitely uneasy about it, particuarly given the suspicion that the dissidents may be behind it all. im suitably comfortable with my irishness that i dont need guys in hoodies erecting tricolours and painting kerbstones to remind me what i am. im interested to hear what the sdlp make of it. im an admirer of their role in the community here in the town, particuarly cllr o’loan.

  • bertie

    “i live on the frys road. ive never felt dominated by protestants”

    Emer we have obviously been missing a trick here. I will get somone on to it right away. Thanks for pointing it out.

    Only joking :o)

  • slug

    Emer

    The parade has been restricted to Fisherwick Gardens itself, they march to the end of Fisherwick and then turn back at Broughshane Road.

    I too am a north Ballymena person, on the Grove Rd. I have moved around within North Ballymena I have always had Catholic neighbours who we always got on very well with – as child and as man. I like that mixed aspect of North Ballymena and I hope we can all work together to build a friendly and mixed and respectful community long into the future.

  • Gonzo

    I know some people here are happy to believe that the republican movement is one big happy family that co-operates in perfect unity.

    This is a simplistic attitude that ignores the history of the relationship, in this instance, between Paddy Murray and Sinn Fein over the past few years. Frankly, Murray hates Sinn Fein and the feeling is mutual. Sinn Fein can’t come out and say they OPPOSE a republican parade, but you can bet your last buck that they are not happy bunnies that it is happening.

    It is important for Sinn Fein at the moment to demonstrate that it has control over republican opinion. Anyone who is capable of taking republican opinion in a more hardline direction from the route Sinn Fein have chosen will be unlikely to be supported.

    Since the IRA can’t react to dissenting republicans in the way they once did – for example, the murder of Joe O’Connor – it will be interesting to see how Sinn Fein deals with challenges to its republican hegemony in future.

    More here.

    A revealing interview with Paddy Murray.

    The Blanket’s
    “>view, and

    “>another article.

    Liam Clarke notes the a shift in the relationship between SF and harder line republicans here.

    All in all, I think it’s a bit simplistic to label this as a Sinn Fein initiative. It is anything but!