Young unionist site in action…

Following on from Ambrose’s link to Ógra Shinn Féin‘s Belfast website, the Young Unionists have theirs up and going too – and there’s a link to Slugger on it! Like Ógra they seem to be using a ‘blog arrangement’ to help them quickly update the site with news. Potential members can join from the site. But they still have plenty of scope to experiment – not least with fund raising facilities! DUP and SDLP, show us yours!?

  • James

    It is nice of the young unionists to link to you Mick. The young republicans do not.

    Was it something you said?

  • peteb

    Maybe not something Mick said, James…

  • davidbrew

    time for Peter Brown to get out his injunction. These phonies claim to have been in existence since 1949, as opposed to the summer

  • Michael Shilliday

    David, David, David, I’ve explained this to you before. Use of the words “we” and “they”.

  • Rebecca Black

    “time for Peter Brown to get out his injunction. These phonies claim to have been in existence since 1949, as opposed to the summer”

    jeez, don’t encourage him!!

  • davidbrew

    Then don’t appropriate things that don’t belong to you RB!

  • unionist_observer

    Well DB, as a member of the old YU it actually does belong to me as much as it does to Peter Brown!

  • davidbrew

    yes Rebecca-please stop hiding behind the name Unionist observer by the way, it fools noone ( BTW are you also the awfully nice “East Belfast Protestant lady” on talkback?)- and as a member of that body you will know that it disaffiliated from the UUC , and so you shouldn’t steal its clothes to gain respectability.

    Your organisation has precisiely one year of history, just as your party has one more year of history :0). You are as entitled to the history of the UYUC as David Ervine is to claim direct descent from Carson’s UVF.

  • unionist_observer

    the executive of the old UYUC chose to disaffiliate from the UUC, collaspe the UYUC and wage a ridiculous legal case against the party officers, I did not, nor did the three other members then who are members now of the reformed UYUC.

    The old UYUC managed to scare off more people than they attracted through their attitude and their worshipping of Jeffrey Donaldson, in one year the reformed UYUC has attracted almost 100 members, thats far more than the old UYUC could ever have dreamed of. We do have a right to claim the history of the UYUC because unlike the old UYUC we do actually represent young unionists.

  • davidbrew

    BTW Rebecca, how can Peter Bowles be your Foyle rep and a councillor in Down District? has he a private jet to take him from one end of NI to the other, or is it possible that his name has been inserted in the list to give the impression of a province wide movement beacause he has a tenuous, and hitherto unknown connection with the maiden city? How many others fall in to a similar category- I see Sandra Overend daughter in law of Billy the Potato is the MU rep. How many others are researchers or family members of the MLAs, as opposed to the vibrant voice of Ulster youth?

  • unionist_observer

    “BTW are you also the awfully nice “East Belfast Protestant lady”

    no, because I am not from east belfast and I would never use a handle describing myself as being protestant.

  • Butterknife

    “…and as a member of that body you will know that it disaffiliated from the UUC” When did it do this? I was under the impression that is disbanded.

  • unionist_observer

    “I see Sandra Overend daughter in law of Billy the Potato is the MU rep. How many others are researchers or family members of the MLAs, as opposed to the vibrant voice of Ulster youth?”

    I believe Sandra is actually the daughter of Billy Armstrong, not his daughter in law, hence her surname is Overend, not Armstrong. Sandra is an active member of the young unionists and a committee member.

    Peter Bowles went to U of U at Magee so he knows the area well and can advise people from that area.

    Is that really the best you can do?

  • Peter Brown

    and wage a ridiculous legal case against the party officers

    Sorry wrong way round I think….

    Well DB, as a member of the old YU it actually does belong to me as much as it does to Peter Brown!

    I’m glad you agree with the law and not those who say it belongs to the Party – can you confirm that is what the new YUs legal opinion said?

    nor did the three other members then who are members now of the reformed UYUC

    The resolution was unanimous – no-one objected!

    100 members, thats far more than the old UYUC could ever have dreamed of

    Although smaller at dissolution only a few years ago UYUC had 200+ members

    because unlike the old UYUC we do actually represent young unionists

    Not what the election results are saying but maybe you have other evidence to support that bald assertion…

    I’ll comment no further at this stage because it may become a sub judice matter and I understand that it may be a disciplinary offence within the UUP to comment on Slugger

  • Little Timmy

    It is obvious that information is haemorrhaging from the new UYUC bloggers on this site.

    An unwillingness or inability on the behalf of several new YUs to engage with the disbandment and alleged passing off issues beyond any ill informed or ignorant comment is disappointing. The matter may soon not be an ‘appropriate’ (sorry for the pun) subject for discussion in this forum from such and other quarters, because as Chairman Brown reminds us, it may soon be sub judice.

  • davidbrew

    “Peter Bowles went to U of U at Magee so he knows the area well and can advise people from that area.

    Is that really the best you can do?” saith rebecca, about as anonymous as an elephant hiding behind a blade of grass…

    well really I should return the comment. If someone buys a big mac in Ballymena will he become the N Antrim rep on the basis he “knows the area well”? Even if Mr Bowles is one of the few Protestants to have darkened the door of Magee in recent years he’s not there now, nor would it mean that he knew too many people from The Fountain, Nelson Drive, New buildings Claudy or Eglinton in his brief sojourn. I lived in the Holy land 20 years ago but I wouldn’t claim to know much about South Belfast.

    How many of this 100 are family members of MLAs or their employees? I do however defer to your knowledge of Mrs Overend nee Potato

    BTW I’m curious-what’s embarassing about being described as Protestant?

  • unionist_observer

    “BTW I’m curious-what’s embarassing about being described as Protestant?”

    I never said I was embarassed to call myself protestant, I just think it would be inappropriate. I don’t like mixing religion and politics. I feel its sectarian.

    By the way, I have now lived in Dublin for 4 years and I would say that I knew Dublin fairly well and its a lot bigger than L’derry.

    Peter

    “Although smaller at dissolution only a few years ago UYUC had 200+ members”

    oh yeah? Well I was in the young unionists since 1998 when a now DUP employee drafted me in. I never remember meetings being packed out. Granted, Lagan Valley used to boast a fairly impressive membership but the rest were fairly low.

    “can you confirm that is what the new YUs legal opinion said?”

    I have no idea what the YU legal opinion is, I have been out of the country for the last 2 weeks.

    I remember in particular a Young Unionist conference at Dukes (I think) where there was at most 10 people there.

  • Will

    Rebecca
    ” Sandra is an active member of the young unionists and a committee member.”

    That might just explain her filling the gaps in Mid-Ulster, but last time I checked she was also the rep in West Tyrone. What’s her connections there? After all its a fair old drive from Magheramason to Magherafelt.

    As for the point about Peter Bowles knowledge of Londonderry, I would assume that as a student he should be busying himself with his subject of study and not the socio-economic problems etc of the unionist community in Londonderry.

  • unionist_observer

    “As for the point about Peter Bowles knowledge of Londonderry, I would assume that as a student he should be busying himself with his subject of study and not the socio-economic problems etc of the unionist community in Londonderry.”

    you can’t help but get to know a city if you live in it!! I think you’re labouring on an unwinnable argument Will.

    How are the young democrat contacts across Ulster, do you have representation in any constituencies other than Belfast (Stalford) and West Tyrone (Andrew)?

  • Michael Shilliday

    that it disaffiliated from the UUC , and so you shouldn’t steal its clothes to gain respectability.

    Wrong, it disbanded, quite different.

    Interesting that the DUP have nothing more to offer than Peter Bowles isn’t from Londonderry.

  • ballywillwill

    DB

    I hear Peter Bowles does have a big feck off jet, City of Derry to Ards in half an hour!

  • davidbrew

    “that it disaffiliated from the UUC , and so you shouldn’t steal its clothes to gain respectability.
    Wrong, it disbanded, quite different.”

    and if you’re right how does that allow you to claim to be in existence since 1949? -hoist with your own petard I’m afraid young Shilliday

    “By the way, I have now lived in Dublin for 4 years and I would say that I knew Dublin fairly well and its a lot bigger than L’derry.”

    And the point of that bizarre interjection????

    Firstly there’s no such place as “L’derry”, as most proper Unionists know; secondly who said Dudlin was smaller?;are you getting confused by your double existence?

    “I have no idea what the YU legal opinion is, I have been out of the country for the last 2 weeks”.-shurely 4 years and 2 weeks?

    “I never said I was embarassed to call myself protestant, I just think it would be inappropriate. I don’t like mixing religion and politics. I feel its sectarian.”

    look at your own post!-you said you would “never use a handle” Protestant. Not in just in politics-never. Now I understand that “never” isn’t really a UUP word, but even the Turtle usually holds a position for more than 24 hours-or is this new Unionism in action? And if you’re not sectarian why should you allow others to denigrate the assertion of your (presumed)identity?

  • unionist_observer

    “By the way, I have now lived in Dublin for 4 years and I would say that I knew Dublin fairly well and its a lot bigger than L’derry.”

    And the point of that bizarre interjection????”

    the point of that was that by living in a city for 3/4 years you get to know it pretty well, ie. Peter Bowles would know Londonderry well seeing as he lived and went to college there for 3/4 years. Its not that hard to comprehend David.

    I never said I was embarassed to call myself protestant, I just think it would be inappropriate. I don’t like mixing religion and politics. I feel its sectarian.”

    “look at your own post!-you said you would “never use a handle” Protestant. Not in just in politics-never. Now I understand that “never” isn’t really a UUP word, but even the Turtle usually holds a position for more than 24 hours-or is this new Unionism in action? And if you’re not sectarian why should you allow others to denigrate the assertion of your (presumed)identity?”

    I think that, again, you are getting confused David. I said

    “I would never use a handle describing myself as being protestant.”

    and I wouldn’t, its simply not relevant to discussions about politics in my mind. Besides to describe myself as something I would have to be it and I am not, I haven’t been to church in years, so furthermore it would be hypocritical for me to start using a handle describing myself as being of any religion.

    How exactly does all this “denigrate” my identity? I see myself as British and you don’t have to be a prod to be British.

  • Michael Shilliday

    and if you’re right how does that allow you to claim to be in existence since 1949? -hoist with your own petard I’m afraid young Shilliday

    We don’t, hence the use of the words “we” and “they”. I’ll keep repeating untill you understand David.

  • Butterknife

    You should become an associate member David for you seem to have a keen interest of the Young Unionists.

    If the YU was just disbanded then it was just a social aggregate, bonded together with the glue of trust and joint purpose. It is thusly not a legal person and as a result if just one person transfers from the ‘old’ to the ‘new’ group then the new group has every right to claim that the ethos of the old lives on…

  • Young Fogey

    David Ervine is to claim direct descent from Carson’s UVF.

    Why isn’t Ervine entitled to claim direct descent from Carson’s UVF?

  • davidbrew

    Why isn’t Ervine entitled to claim direct descent from Carson’s UVF?

    er..rather obviously because it’s an entirely different organisation. There is no continuity of membership, transfer of assets,etc, leaving aside the even more obvious political differences between a legal mass movement for the preservation of the constitution and an illegal terrorist organisation which might no more about organised criminality than the rest of us.

    “You should become an associate member David for you seem to have a keen interest of the Young Unionists.”
    not unless Mr Brown gives me the brief. it merely amuses me to wind up earnest young things like Rebeca and Michael. Michael thinks it ok to say the UYUC “they have been in existence since 1949” on his website, but “we” are now the YUs. Apart from again contradicting himself in his 7.42 last night( when “they” apparently disbanded) why mention an entirely different organisation on your website if not to mislead and confuse? Oh yeah, its the UUP we’re talking about-sorry -I should have realised…and Trimble’s James Craig reincarnated.

    Don’t bet too much on your novel interpretation of the law of clubs BTW BK

    Rebecca is right that there’s nothing requiring British to equal Protestant, and if she’s a post- Protestant fair enough. I just get the impression that she’s a tad distanced from those Unioniosts who aren’t. Maybe you could ask her if she has any thoughts on the UUP being linked to a sectarian organisation(sic) like the Orange Order, Unionist observer? You seem to know her weell-almost like Gerry knows the army council

  • davidbrew

    which might KNOW more…

  • Michael Shilliday

    why mention an entirely different organisation on your website if not to mislead and confuse

    They were and are both the youth body of the Ulster Unionist Party (at all times in their existance, no disaffiliation happened as you well know), it is a historical reference and there is no claim that both bodies are the same thing. There has been a UYUC linked to the UUP since 1949.

  • unionist_observer

    David

    I’m not sure what all this “post-protestant” stuff is about. Religion is or at least should be a personal matter. It being thrown about as a political identity irritates me.

    As for the UUP, it has been described many times as a broad church, so it incorporates people as liberal as me, but also the more traditional types of unionist, such as orange men.

  • Davros

    Why isn’t Ervine entitled to claim direct descent from Carson’s UVF?

    Huge can of worms has just been opened LOL

  • Butterknife

    Don’t bet too much on your novel interpretation of the law of clubs BTW BK [davidbrew]

    Are you referring to the ‘disbandment’ of a club when contrasted against the ‘dissolution’ of an incorporated body? Well without going to Queens and looking it up (ahem my rates are competitive!) I would suggest that the former is just a group of friends (sic) bound together by a common thread, and as such they may be all liable for any claims which might arise if just one takes grievance. Basically it pays to write into a constitution what should happen if the ‘club’ is wound up. Apart from what is written on this thread I have no interest in this matter and what I say, write or suggest in the past, present or future on this matter or any other matter should not be taken as legal authority (as if!)

  • Butterknife

    unionist_observer: the problem with the UUP being a broad church is that each sect sang from a different Hymn sheet. Even when looking after sheep they tend to group together, be it the wrong area that is why the Shepard looked weak. He was searching for his sheep left, right and centre…

  • unionist_observer

    of course butterknife, the diversity of opinion in the UUP is its greatest weakness, however I was pointing out a strength of the great diversity above and trying to avoid the negatives of it.

  • Butterknife

    Well unionist_observer as the DUP are now the mainstream Unionist voice would it not be the case that diversity should make way for uniformity?

  • unionist_observer

    so liberals like me should no longer be welcomed in the UUP???

    i don’t think that rejecting people is a good plan at the min butterknife

  • unionist_observer

    besides the party is more unified now that it has been for a while.

  • Millie

    I remember attending a Student Committee meeting at QUB a few years ago to see what it was all about and apart from being very dull and partisan there was the odd element of farce. What really intrigued me was the heckling from the back by anonymous suited individuals who were obviously aligned with one faction or another. I remember in particular two fellas who looked and dressed like they were in the Gestapo, in fact at first sight I wasn’t entirely sure what sex one of them was. I asked someone who they were and with a look of total resignation informed me they were the DUP ‘entourage’. Very scary indeed.

  • Young Fogey

    People wear suits to Student Council these days? Yikes!

  • unionist_observer

    the young dupes (all two of them) always wear suits to anything remotely political!!

  • Michael Shilliday

    I think he’s wearing the same suit in the photo the Newsletter use.