Shock horror EXCLUSIVE! MI5 had Jeremy Corbyn under surveillance into the 1990s, for “links to the IRA”

Billed as  “Exclusive, MI5”, the Daily Telegraph  splashes with a predictable twist on an ancient theme, that Jeremy Corbyn had been under surveillance for having “ links” to the IRA.

This is the flip side of the super-patriotic  coin that supports army veterans in their campaign, backed by Theresa May, against prosecutions for illegal actions in Northern Ireland and now supported by the Commons Defence Select Committee.

It’s so much easier than thinking to take sides and leave it at that.

The army under pressure could do no wrong and if they did, sure it was understandable.

The IRA campaign was a legitimate anti-imperialist armed struggle. It was understandable – that word again – to treat servants of the state as “legitimate targets” in the cant phrase,  but if they retaliated or got their retaliation in first, it was against the rules and a gross violation of their civil rights.

I was always amazed that the Troops Out movement  backed by the left Labour fringe of Benn, Livingstone, McDonnell, Corbyn,  and Abbott didn’t take off during the 25 years  of the IRA campaign  which caused 115 deaths and 2,134 injuries  from a total of almost 500 attacks in GB. 814 regular soldiers were killed in the Troubles. The British public and their political leadership of all parties can be commended for their general forbearance. How much worse it would have been if the army had pulled out, in spite of the abuses that were a regular feature of their presence under conditions that were mutually oppressive.  The Blue Labour pressure group founded by Labour peer and academic Maurice Glasman which influenced Ed Miliband, puts Corbyn’s views in better context:

Most controversially, Corbyn and Ken Livingstone invited Sinn Fein leader, Gerry Adams to a meeting at the Commons in 1984. Corbyn supporters now claim that he was merely ahead of his time and has been vindicated by the later peace process. Another view is that this peace process could only come to life once the IRA realised that taking lives in London and elsewhere would not secure their aims….

Far from being premature peacemakers, Corbyn and Livingstone probably fed IRA illusions that they could deploy the ballot box and the armalite, or semtex, at the same time and maybe see their interlocutors taking office and implementing a united Ireland policy. I make no claim that Corbyn and his comrades condoned IRA violence but the demarche in 1984 highlights a naiveté that undermines Corbyn’s claim to leadership now.

 

Journalism like the Telegraph’s  long after the event stocks up old controversies, revives old enmities and needlessly opens wounds. On the row over  reopening  a handful of cases against the army long after the event, the best that can come out of it is to prompt serious consideration about a statute of limitations all round, instead of the prevailing knee jerk opposition to it which extends all the way from Amnesty International to the May government . Meanwhile, on the Telegraph’s “Exclusive” on the mild mannered Jeremy Corbyn, you’d never think there’s an election on would you?  The impact I suggest, will be just about zero.

MI5 opened a file on Jeremy Corbyn amid concerns over his links to the IRA, the Telegraph has discovered.

The Labour leader was investigated over fears that he could have been a threat to national security at a time when he was supporting convicted terrorists and campaigning for a unified Ireland.

The revelations come as a Telegraph investigation reveals Mr Corbyn’s full links to the IRA, including his support for one of the Balcombe Street gang, who waged a 14-month bombing campaign across south-east England, and his links to the bomb maker believed to have been behind the Hyde Park and Regents Park devices.

Mr Corbyn also shared a platform with a wanted IRA killer and John McDonnell, his shadow Chancellor, claimed that the pair of them used to “pin people against the wall” in the House of Commons to lobby them on behalf of Ireland, can be disclosed.

 

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  • Barney

    Only the new territories were leased the colony was not. Those people were stripped of their Britishness before being abandoned. The settlers in the Falklands had their right of return restored, one can only conclude that the entire policy was both racist and deeply hypocritical.

  • Enda

    You lie to yourself if you actually believe that Irish people didn’t experience their worst years because of the British.

  • Enda

    Eh, where on earth do you live? The Irish Sea separates Ireland and Britain.

    The earth is 6000 years old. Dinosaur bones were placed all over the earth by satan to trick us. The Giant’s Causeway is a result of the Deluge from Genesis. Irish protestants are descended from the lost tribes of Israel – and there’s a land bridge between Ireland and Britain.

    Whatever will you funny Unionists come up with next, eh?

  • Patrick Jones

    Evidence?

  • Patrick Jones

    Again today Corbyn utterly refuses to condemn IRA terrorism

  • Nevin

    I’ve just received another plea from Team Labour:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/63f3bca8ebe3344ed54d0a95a77cf090cabd8d50a47fa9c700205ff2cb608eb2.png

    No free cotton Jeremy Cobyn cotton tote bag this time, even if I handed over £17!

  • james

    The large island across the way there is called Great Britain, Enda, being as it’s the largest of the British Isles.

  • james

    No, they weren’t – though it’s an interesting idea – though the 9/11 hijackers will have obviously learned a lot from the IRA’s trial & error terrorism. While the IRA are not in the main respected by ordinary people around the globe, a lot of other terrorist groups do see them as something to emulate.

  • Enda

    Great Britain got it’s name after Scotland joined with England and Wales in 1707, greater meaning the all encompassing area of Britain (Greater urban areas, Manchester, London etc). No part of Ireland has ever been referred to as Britain, ever. Stop making 5hit up.

  • Ray Lawlor

    Start with the Glenane Gang

  • mac tire

    James the large island is called GB because it contains England, Scotland and Wales. Britain refers to England and Wales.

  • Reader

    AntrimGael : The ONLY terrorists in Ireland were the British colonialists and their Plantar allies.
    OK – go and tell that to the electorate.
    And weren’t the people who carried out the Kingsmill massacre “terrorists”?

  • Reader

    mac tire: Britain refers to England and Wales.
    Nope, Britain is shorthand for the UK. There is a fruitcake website that uses Britain to refer to EnglandAndWales. Use eye protection when accessing it.

  • Enda

    No it isn’t. Read your passport, assuming you have a uk one, or one at all.

  • hgreen

    Lies. He condemned all.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    AG III, I’m curious as to what history books you actually read.

    You sound like an intelligent person who listens to stupid persons.

    Anyone with a bit of curiosity would know right away that the plantations weren’t some sort of ‘Voortrekkers’ undertaking where the whites and natives were cleanly split. Even the laziest amount of research shows the number of ‘natives who went colonial’ e.g. McCavish’s who became Thompsons, McShanes who became Johnsons and McCloys who became Lewis’ or vice versa; the number of ‘planters’ who went native very quickly.
    None of which involved terrorism or treachery.

    There appears to be some sort of desperation within nationalism to biniaryize the past 400 years, I’m beginning to wonder why this is, I suspect the republican narrative has something to lose from a more nuanced analysis…

    This is very interesting, O Seaan Ui Neill, where art thou…

  • mac tire

    Aye, those ‘fruitcakes’ from the Ordinance Survey, eh?

    https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2011/08/whats-the-difference-between-uk-britain-and-british-isles/

    “Use eye protection when accessing it.”

    One of us should go to Specsavers.

  • john millar

    Er the “Irish” had almost SFA to do with USA rebellion half of Washington’s army. were Ulster Scots

  • AntrimGael

    I understand your point and wouldn’t disagree with most of it. History in Ulster is more complicated and interwoven than many realise hence the frustration of the Irish Language community who are trying to get the message out that Irish/Ulster Protestants (take your pick) played a very important role in the history and survival of the language. ATQ Stewart, though a committed Unionist, was always very factual and straightforward in his writings.
    My rancour is the current British/Unionist narrative where only Irish Republicans did the terrorising and only one community suffered. There really does not seem to be any acceptance that the Northern Nationalist community suffered dreadfully with over a 1000 Catholics murdered by the British/Unionist State solely for their faith and religion.
    I recognise and accept that Irish Republicans, in the strict definition of the word, did terrorise others but I only ask that the suffering my community endured is also acknowledged and that simply doesn’t seem to be the case.

  • AntrimGael

    Err I am talking about Irish Resistance IN Ireland NOT the US War of Independence in the late 18th century. I know many Ulster Scots fought on the side of Washington’s army of farmers, settlers and slave owners. By the way what’s the difference between Ireland’s desire for self determination and the United States?

  • AntrimGael

    Ulster Scots???

  • chrisjones2

    He refsued to condemn ut and only went as far as he did because he was under such pressure in the face of an election.

    After 40 years of fervent support we know where his allegiances lie on Ireland, the Middle east and international terrorism

  • AntrimGael

    Corbyn is a fantastic man. Loyal and uncompromising to his principles, ideals and opinions. Refuses to be browbeaten by the nauseating, right wing, xenophobic English media and never swallowing the one dimensional British narrative about Ireland.
    It is so admirable that Jeremy doesn’t compromise his long held sensible view that ultimate peace and stability in Ireland will ONLY come about through British withdrawal and Irish reunification. He also doesn’t buy into the “British/Unionist = GOOD; Irish/Republican = BAD mindset of the British/Unionist political and media Establishment. You can only take your (non bowler) hat off to him.

  • chrisjones2

    Even within the family many now realise it was defeated because it was hollowed out from within. At some point the brightest ones will ask how the leadership let that happen …but they will do it quietly

  • chrisjones2

    In the US by gullible Irish Americans ! About 5 years ago i met one who was a contributor and supporter. He was a Protestant of Scots Irish descent and didn’t know anything about the history here ,. He had been gulled for money

    They are well thought of in all the places you mention by the supporters of secessionist movements. You left out Colombia though with their links to the FARC NARCO terrorists who used to supply so much of the cocaine that killed people in the US and Europe. Then there was Libya under Quadaffi (the old rapist) and Venezuela.

    Then there’s Argentina who only support PIRA because they fought and lost a war to opporess the people of the Falklands

    Notice among the list you provided the numbers of states that might perhaps not be that Democratic – that have to hold their own citizens prisoner for example. Very Republican

  • chrisjones2

    are you really so thick that you dont realise the change in mood in the US post 9.11 and the intolerance of all terrorism and especially terrorists with links to places groups like Venezuela, the PLO, FARC, PLO Hammas Cuba

  • chrisjones2

    Yes…they are often gullible …see above

  • chrisjones2

    You mean murdering Prods and Catholic Unionists ….the problem SF and PIRA always had (and still do) was all those pesky Brits who live here.

  • chrisjones2

    I think many in the republic experienced their worst years because of the civil war when their tied each other to landmines and blew them to pieces or ‘disappeared’ old comrades in bogs’. Then there were the years of State oppression under Dev and the Church ….the poverty, emigration, ban on basic contraception , kidnappings and sale of illegitimate children, slavery of many young men and women …all to appease a clergy some of whom were buggering and raping children with impunity and with the cover of the church and state.

  • chrisjones2

    Yes and at the peak of the famine the British Government donated £35000 to the Catholic Church in Ireland.

    What was it spent on? Famine relief? Food for the poor? Medical treatment?

    No. Improvements at Maynooth College so the poor died at the same rate but sure they had a better send off from the clergy

  • chrisjones2

    Or Ulsters determination to stay British ……

  • chrisjones2

    “knuckle dragging, illiterate loyalist pals ”

    Hate speach anyone? Sure these nothing like a bit of casual racism on a Sunday

  • chrisjones2

    Our legal authority in International, law was different. That simple

  • chrisjones2

    The Colony could not hold without the Territories…for example the water supply came from there

  • chrisjones2

    And presumably like you some of them cannot even spell it

    But the average house price in the UK is £235K and for a couple £200k is protected. Labour will steal £70k for every pension to fund their care as well as destroying the pensions of millions

  • chrisjones2

    Yes but real; Government is about telling people the truth …and that applies here as well

  • chrisjones2

    Sounds just like a Saturday night in North Belfast

  • AntrimGael

    Gerrymandered, manufactured, sectarian, apartheid Frankenstein’s Monster Statement. Has about as much legitimacy as Brigadoon.

  • AntrimGael

    “Frankenstein’s Monster Statelet”

  • AntrimGael

    Not to mention Thatcher and Britain’s love in with the mass murdering War Criminal Pinochet.

  • AntrimGael

    Meanwhile the cops sit and eat their Chinese, kebabs, pizza and fish suppers in Antrim Road barracks as North Belfast bubbles over with drug dealing and 10 pound PSNI touts.

  • AntrimGael

    The Truth? What, that the British State engaged in the mass killings of 100’s of it’s own citizens in the North of Ireland, murdered children with plastic, rubber and lead bullets and covered it up? Then assassinated human rights lawyers like Pat Finucane and Rosemary Nelson? Indeed, reveal the truth indeed Chris….it will set you free!

  • AntrimGael

    Indeed and how wonderful, refreshing and impressive it is. Jeremy doesn’t buy into the Neo Con, medieval Unionist, Victorian colonialists view of the world. We SHOULD give him an award.

  • AntrimGael

    Brian Nelson, Mount Vernon UVF, Force Research Unit, Pat Finucance, Rosemary Nelson, Billy Wright, Johnny Adair, Shankill Butchers, Bloody Sunday, McGurks Bar, Ballymurphy/New Lodge massacres.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    Hope so. Great to see lots of people remember what happened and won’t let Corbyn dissemble his way out of this one. He has behaved disgracefully.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    Is that seriously your considered view? Really?

  • MainlandUlsterman

    What is that list? Are they all the same to you?

    Dude you need to read up a bit more about Northern Ireland, you have all sorts in there.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    I really can’t see why Corbyn should somehow be spared this stuff being raised.

    Surely it reveals huge character flaws on his part? And a lack of intellectual ability, not to mention a glaring failure of political judgment and a pretty scary lack of a moral compass over the torture and murder of fellow citizens. Germane to the question of whether he is fit to lead. A lot of us think he isn’t.

  • AntrimGael

    I don’t need to read it. I lived it and nearly lost my life on several occasions because of it. In my opinion Britain should be standing in the dock at the Hague for it’s murderous crimes in the North of Ireland.

  • AntrimGael

    Yes, the British and planters brought terrorism to our island and the native Irish reacted to that. No different from the French in Nazi occupied France, the Americans in 1770’s America or the Finns in Russian occupied Finland.

  • AntrimGael

    He’s a hero, a very brave individual who doesn’t buy into the right wing Tory, Unionist narrative on Ireland. Looks like more and more British people are supporting him.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    For what its worth there are people tirelessly highlighting Protestant Gaelic heritage, to the point that even George Chittick (or whatever you call him) of the OI acknowledges this, I even think they have a copy of LOL 1303’s Irish banner up in the OI museum.

    As for over 1000 nationalist deaths at the hands of the state, first you’d need academic approval for this claim, is that the case at present?
    And may I ask where you got this figure from?

  • hgreen

    Again he condemned all bombing during the conflict. You’d need to be pretty twisted not to accept that as a valid position. Whether he supported Irish unification is irrelevant.

  • grumpy oul man

    But you never seemed to have a problem with someone who had historical link to loyalist murder squads leading unionism.
    After all invading a litlle village along with rmthe UVF didnt seem to harm your opinionin of Peter Robinson

  • Katyusha

    How does that square with Corbyn’s support for Amnesty International.

    Not to stir the pot too much here, james, but you do realise one of the founding members of Amnesty International was also a former Chief of Staff of the IRA?

    The world is not as black and white as you would like it to be.

  • runnymede

    No Brian – in the context of a GE it is quite correct to illustrate to the public Corbyn and McDonell’s appalling judgement.

  • john millar

    “Err I am talking about Irish Resistance IN Ireland NOT the US War of Independence in the late 18th century. I know many Ulster Scots fought on the side of Washington’s army of farmers, settlers and slave owners. By the way what’s the difference between Ireland’s desire for self determination and the United States?”

    Don`t see any difference- but then I don`t see any difference (and support ) the Irish resistance to British rule in Ireland .I also support the resistance by the Ulster Scots to Irish Rule in Northern Ireland . I expect my support for Irish resistance to be reciprocated

  • john millar

    “Meanwhile the cops sit and eat their Chinese, kebabs, pizza and fish suppers in Antrim Road barracks as North Belfast bubbles over with drug dealing and 10 pound PSNI touts.”

    I like it the– cops keep themselves safe whilst the natives destroy their environment and their future . I wonder who they will blame now?

  • Barney

    Back to the original point the right of self determination, it appears that you believe some people can be sold and others cannot. The viability or not of the colony doesn’t explain why HMG removed the britishness of the population, that action was deeply racist

  • lizmcneill

    The Millennials whose only hope of getting on the housing ladder was inheriting their parents’ homes in middle age will be angry too. But annoying middle-aged and older, middle class voters who are probably the most likely demo to actually vote seems short-sighted. Much like the American Republicans making health insurance more expensive for older people.

  • lizmcneill

    Politicians are all well known for telling the truth, especially right before elections.

  • lizmcneill

    “precious Union”, eh?

  • lizmcneill

    Kind of like the English/British thinking the EU can’t do without their trade, right?

  • Enda

    You’re full of the orangey browny stuff there Jamesy old chap!

    The 9/11 hijackers were taught to fly planes in America, by American instructors, funded by a Saudi national.

    None of what happened on 9/11 is taken from any IRA handbook – you are living in cloud coo coo land dear boy. There’s no denying that the provos were quite capable operatives when it came to subterfuge and ambush, but if you think for one second that the likes of Al-Qaeda learned from them then I think it is you that is more obsessed with the RA than any republican on this forum.

  • Enda

    Just like many African nations suffered under the rule of dictators after the Brits packed up and left, a draconian and fire brand element of the Catholic Church filled the vacuum in Ireland and played havoc in the wake of the Brits absence.

    If you think only Irish people in the south have been through the mill and back, then you need to take your head out of your loyalist porno mag, and clean those orange stains of your red, white and blue bed sheets.

    Your lot has ruined the part of Ireland that I call home – utterly ruined it. You created a state (within Ireland) that was completely antagonistic towards anything Irish, and for a long time anything Catholic. You discriminated against Irish Catholics using legislation that was the envy of white supremacist leaders in South Africa. You relegated Irish Nationalists to the underclass, to the undesirable aspect of society.

    In doing all this you helped bring about the rise of a paramilitary orgainsation that went to war with a state that either perpetrated, capitulated or acted complicit to such acts of discrimination, which ended up in over 30 years of bloody conflict, from which this part of Ireland still hasn’t healed.

    You might say all that has changed over the years, and it has, because it had to, in the eyes of the world it had to. It isn’t hard to tell though, by the rhetoric of unionist politicians, and unionist/loyalist commentators on this forum, that those good old days are still yearned for. That that ‘know your place’ mentality still exists within Irish Unionism towards Nationalists.

    I don’t think you people will be happy until you’ve started the whole damn trouble all over again!

  • Enda

    Racism? Loyalists are the same race as me (for the most oart anyway I think) How would you describe loyalists?

  • George Fleming

    Jeremy Corbyn MP for Islington statements regards his support for the IRA is just chasing after the 9000 + Irish vote in his constituency. The media are only helping him.

    “3.9% White Irish 0.1% White Gypsy or Irish Traveller”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Borough_of_Islington

  • hgreen

    Only in the head of the completely misinformed was it appalling judgment.

  • Dónall

    What does that mean Chris? Telling them the truth about what? Surely real goverment is about managing resources in an efficient manner.

  • chrisjones2

    You mean all those people who were arrested and locked up. Now who collected the evidence and arrested the? The RUC. What a shock. And who supported them in doing that. The Army . Even worse!!

  • chrisjones2

    Again just a racist rant

  • Barneyt

    There are two sides to an argument and the truth is somewhere in between? The British state, and all paramilitaries are guilty of causing terror at one point or another. We should recognise that fact. They are also guilty of trying to uphold the law in the states case and fighting for their respective causes whether we agree or not. It’s purile to state that there is purity on any side and the sooner we wake up to the fact that there were bad boys and girls on all sides, as well as those who acted on conviction and principle, we’ll stop playing games.

  • chrisjones2

    Again just another racist rant …….. ever hear of self determination? And all the polls show that despite this huge history of oppression around 30% of northern Catholics want to stay in the UK. Shocking innit

  • chrisjones2

    …and being clear that in the future social care needs lots moire money that must come from somewhere. Labour;’s magic money tree has a dose of the mange

  • Barneyt

    We can easily justify the use of force from formal sources such as a governments military. So it’s not the violence we oppose but the right to use it. Many covanteers felt they needed to mobilise and were prepared to take the fight to England or more locally towards Dublin and it’s supporters. Is that ok? Ask the early UVF who were armed to the teeth and you’d get a swift answer. The defensive reaction by Irish nationalism would also be justified by many. Where does the right start and finish to incept violence to protect or claim back what is yours? Is it ever an option? Perhaps the British should have used jaw jaw politics alone to claim back the falklands rather than war war?

  • MainlandUlsterman

    Not arguing there is purity on any side. But that doesn’t mean there is some equivalence between public servants doing their jobs trying to protect the public from terrorists and the terrorists themselves. You have to allow the police and army some humanity and not expect them to manage 30 years at the coalface against terror gangs without blemishes. To seize on those who strayed or who fell short and declare therefore the entire security force effort was worthless, no better than the paramilitaries, as Republicans routinely do, isn’t being balanced, it’s being both inaccurate and deeply unfair.

  • Katyusha

    though the 9/11 hijackers will have obviously learned a lot from the IRA’s trial & error terrorism

    You’re a laugh. The 9/11 hijackers obviously learned a lot in their Afghan/Pakistani training camps where they were taught by the former generation of Mujiheddin, who in turn learned a lot from their CIA trainers and handlers, who instructed them in the art of guerilla warfare in order to combat the Soviet forces in Afghanistan at the time.

    Hint: al-Qaeda means “the base” in Arabic, and refers to the original CIA training camp set up to train the Mujiheddin in Afghanistan, where the founding members of the organisation received their training and met for the first time.

  • Dónall

    It’s just a guess but I think that British Labour are probably going to target the billionaires to obtain the necessary funding. Are you trying to say that life can not get any better than it already is? That this is as good as it gets?

  • Ben De Hellenbacque

    Even by the crudest designation, unarmed, Catholic civilians do make up the highest number of those killed (when using the differentials of armed combatant: state or terrorist, and Protestant and Catholic civilian), over 1,500 according to the Wesley Johnston site: http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html
    On the same website the perpetrators of the murders show Republican combatants as having the highest ‘hit rate’. Go figure!
    In short, don’t be selective and don’t extrapolate who was responsible for what without seeking the actual and easily available information.
    Making statements like yours without being informed will make anyone look glib and ill informed at best. NI people use the term ‘wise up’ quite frequently and I assume you live here and know what it means.
    Oh and don’t let your agenda cloud your judgement so much!

  • Ben De Hellenbacque

    I think you’d benefit from learning something about the United Irishmen and the overall dissenting tradition. FYI, Ulster Unionism only began to emerge in the 1860’s. Rewrite history to the best of your ability but making absurdly unsubstantiated claims which have only sprung form your imagination doesn’t make you look to good my friend.

    Remember this is a public forum so start preserving what little dignity remains.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Do you actually believe what you write or are you just bored?