John Bruton; “The terms for Brexit, as set out so far by Mrs May, will do incalculable damage to this island, politically, emotionally and economically”

Some interesting evidence from former Taoiseach, John Bruton today;

“While I believe it may seem impossibly optimistic today, I believe conditions can be envisaged in which, eventually, the UK voters might either decide, either not to leave the EU at all, or to decide, after it has left, to rejoin. Ireland should try to keep that possibility alive.

“The terms for Brexit, as set out so far by Mrs May, will do incalculable damage to this island, politically, emotionally and economically.

“We cannot simply wait for this to happen. While seeking to mitigate the effects of Mrs May chosen hard Brexit, we must also do everything we can to ensure either that, at the end of the day, there is no Brexit.”

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  • Brian Walker

    Bruton is giving this speech about once a month now. Let’s hope he uses all his influence as a former taoiseach and EU ambassador to the US to argue Ireland’s and the UK’s cases for a good deal. Reversing the referendum result is looking less and less likely in the medium term. The definition of a hard Brexit advanced by critics is not in accord with the British position. At least some weight should be given to that.

  • lizmcneill

    “No deal is better than a bad deal” isn’t a definition of a hard Brexit?

  • npbinni

    The poor man is delusional.

  • npbinni

    The apocalyptic murmurings of immediate financial disaster from the Remoaners have turned out to be poppycock in the short term and probably sheer fantasy in the medium to long term. Why don’t people just wake up and smell the coffee. It’s a bright new day. A little bit of optimism and positive thinking would go a long way in getting some folks out of their depression. We are escaping a somewhat abusive relationship and are developing new and improved standards for a better future for all in the British Isles. Ireland would be most welcome back to the fold. 🙂

  • Chris Spratt

    The UK must be punished though for the sake of preserving the EU. We simply can’t be better out than in, and I hope that the UK isn’t let off the hook for this.

  • the rich get richer

    Well he is used to the Irish lap dogging for the EU………That leads to living in cloud cuckoo land .

  • Michael Dowds

    The UK … has … not … left … yet.

  • Kevin Breslin

    I can assure you he’s not poor, and I can assure you he’s not delusional.

    He was the only one at the EU table to speak up for the people of this island … even unionists … in the “Brexit wargames” debate.

    It’s the British establishment that is utterly delusional here, and more worryingly extremely impractical in their approach.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a766c9eb33adbee842d542e8277a2c7b6ae832bc14143b06eb9aaed2bc6922e.png

    The United Kingdom establishment now cares more about the meme of Brexit than the welfare of those who voted for it, including their own.

  • Kevin Breslin

    I’ll be very impressed if he can keep his brain in a cathartic bubble when the consequences finally sink in.

    Brexit is not a Christian act, there is no element of “love thy neighbour” either locally or internationally being inspired by it.

    Sectarian fear of its fellow Abrahamic faiths in Islam perhaps, but not Christianity or the Nazarene influence.

  • Salmondnet

    Any former British Prime Minister saying that the UK should do everything in its power to ensure that the Irish Republic either remained in or departed from the EU would be greeted with howls of outrage (and perhaps even the odd bomb) and rightly told to keep their prodnose out of their neighbours business. Mr Bruton deserves no less – bar the bomb.

  • Philip Murphy

    I think the UK will certainly leave the EU and will apply to rejoin in my lifetime.

  • scepticacademic

    Isn’t he just saying Ireland should pursue its national interest (mitigating the collateral damage from Brexit)? What’s wrong with that?

  • Michael Dowds

    Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if this positive thinking lark survives first contact with the enemy. Engagement with reality hasn’t been a particularly manifest attribute of the Brexiteers (well, most of them).

    Unfortunately the rest of us will learn the true meaning of ‘Third Country’ status soon enough, Border Inspection Points and all.

    Oh, and there’s the small matter of agreeing new trading arrangements with THE REST OF THE WORLD! Let’s see how the intellectual heavyweight Fox manages there. But … ya know … optimism. *rolls eyes*

  • tmitch57

    The simple solution is to hold a second referendum, once the terms of Brexit have been finalized with the EU and widely publicized–as the terms of the GFA were publicized, over whether or not to actually leave.

  • Df M

    Bruton’s comments regarding the opportunist Boris Johnson were spot on!

  • Nevin

    “Some interesting evidence from former Taoiseach, John Bruton today”

    This is the John Bruton whose government lobbied on behalf of the Athboy conspiracy in 1996 and went ballistic when the UK government changed its mind, after initially rubber-stamping Ireland’s proposal. It seems that the TUV have learned nothing from this affair.

  • runnymede

    Totally delusional

  • runnymede

    At some point Bruton and the rest are going to have to accept that the tail doesn’t get to wag the dog.

  • Theelk11

    I for one will welcome back our new Tory overlords..

    Arms deal with the Saudis to ensure human rights are abused in Yemen and selling so far unspecified stuff to India will make up for the financial sector heading to Frankfurt and multinationals relocating to Dublin.
    Less negativity and more bulldog spirit, that’s the way!
    The paddy’s would be mad not to join in..

  • BonaparteOCoonassa

    To call it ‘optimism’ seems unduly kind – some sort of psychiatric term would be more appropriate.

  • BonaparteOCoonassa

    Basically, it’s a malignant cancer in the UK body politic, usually called the tory party. Unfortunately there is no surgical solution. In Scotland’s case amputation is the only answer, and the benefits although great, are generally long-term

  • npbinni

    The…UK…is…leaving. haha

  • ted hagan

    Bruton’s a balloon.

  • BonaparteOCoonassa

    It’s not ‘critics’ that are advancing the definition of a hard Brexit. It is the EU, who have from the start clearly and consistently laid down what leaving will entail if the UK rejects the costs and benefits of a soft Brexit. May has said no to any sort of freedom of movement, so = hard Brexit.

  • Old Mortality

    You can be pretty sure that when he predicts ‘incalculable damage’, what is uppermost in his mind is the RoI economy, not the status of the Irish border.

  • BonaparteOCoonassa

    They might want eventually not to leave the EU, but the tories will not be offering that choice. Not until the UK becomes a third-world country, begging on it’s knees along with North Korea.

  • BonaparteOCoonassa

    That would be eminently sensible, so it won’t be done.

  • Fear Éireannach

    On what basis can you be sure of this?. It is NI, most of which is near the border, which is going to suffer worse.

  • npbinni

    Seems like you are presenting with disturbing signs of Stockholm Syndrome

  • Ryan

    interestingly, it appears that the Irish seem to be getting some movement from the EU.

    Headline I never expected to see in the Financial Times:

    “EU prepares for post-Brexit membership for united Ireland”

    https://www.ft.com/content/f4c720b0-2b63-11e7-bc4b-5528796fe35c

    Someone earlier in the week was talking about momentum, this is momentum, albeit small momentum.

  • Reader

    Chris Spratt: The UK must be punished though for the sake of preserving the EU. We simply can’t be better out than in, and I hope that the UK isn’t let off the hook for this.
    But aren’t you the sort of person who believes that being ‘in’ is inherently better than being ‘out’ anyway? In which case, why is there any need for deliberate punitive measures?
    Or do you accept that the EU has good and bad features? In which case there is a risk that a country leaving the EU might keep access to the good bits and walk away from the bad bits – securing an advantage that way. But the fix for that is surely to fix the bad bits of the EU, isn’t it? Better Karma than the nastiness that you propose.

  • Chris Spratt

    That’s if I don’t believe a bit of nastiness is deserved!

    Of course the EU has good and bad features depending on perspective, but I believe what some might construe as negative are necessary for keeping the show on the road.

  • Old Mortality

    Well here are are a few matters which might be of greater concern to Irish politicians:
    (1) tariffs being imposed on exports into it’s largest market (if you don’t treat the EU as a single entity).
    (2) loss of a large member state which is more sympathetic to Ireland’s corporate tax regime than other EU states and the Commission itself.
    (3) a larger net contribution to the EU budget when the UK eventually disentangles itself.
    (4) prospect of much greater net migration from the EU due to being the only remaining English-speaking state.

  • BonaparteOCoonassa

    Very droll, but not very relevant.

  • puffen

    What if in three years the EU does not exist in it present form.