Sinn Fein discombobulated over the European Union

Sinn Fein continues their schizophrenic approach to the EU:
Michelle O`Neill has stated that
The European Fisheries Fund has made a significant contribution to our commercial fishing and coastal communities…
She failed to mention that the UK  has almost 70 per cent of Europe’s fishing grounds but only 13 per cent percent of its fishing quota. The Common Fisheries Policy opened up the UK’s fish to all EU member states. Now we must import fish species such as cod, haddock and huss that our own fishermen are forced to throw overboard – usually dead – because of EU rules (£130 million of fish is dumped annually under the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy.). By leaving the EU we can give our fishing industries a huge boost.”
This is echoed by Sinn Féin’s Ireland South MEP Liadh Ní Riada who is meeting with European Commissioner Karmenu Vella to discuss “the negative state of Irish fisheries, the existential threats to the livelihoods of native fishermen and their marginalisation by the government and the EU compared to their counterparts…”
I have consistently made clear the substantial contribution which Ireland makes to the EU economy in terms of the value of the fish taken by other member states from Irish waters.

The WWF (World Wildlife Fund) Mid-term review of the Common Fisheries Policy, October 2007 examines the management of the fishing territories by the EU.  Page 5 states “Regarding the ecosystem-based management and discarding, Section 4 notes the lack of action to eliminate wasteful fisheries until now. The study shows that each year between 20% and 60% of catches are discarded in most fisheries, undermining both the effectiveness of conservation measures and the overall health of the ecosystem.”
Sinn Fein have stated our agriculture industry and rural communities continue to reap the benefits of European Union membership through the Rural Development Programme. Do Sinn Fein think this is free money?  This is UK taxpayers money.  Leaving the EU would save £55 million per day. UKIP have outlined a UK Single Farm Payment to replace the EU equivalent.
Northern Ireland deserves better than Sinn Fein `economic lunacy`.  UKIP are the only party that have produced a fully costed manifesto signed off by respected economic think-tank the Centre for Economic and Business Research.

Alan Day (aka @Kilsally) is te UKIP candidate for Mid-Ulster

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  • mickfealty

    We’re going to have to start charging you now for these party political slots KS… 😉

  • Lol – couldn`t help myself.

  • NMS

    Kilsally’s timely piece is reflected in the input of Sinn Féin reps on this site. In a piece by Caoilfhionn Ní Dhonnabháin on “Neoliberalism” she commented,

    “The European Union – supposedly conceived as a solidarity between nations in Europe – has become an enforcer of neoliberal policies within its member states.”

    While regular contributor, Robin Keogh, has referred to them as “critical” rather than anti-EU.

    In the case of Caoilfhionn, she appears to disregard the reason the EU has changed tack, is that the people of the member countries have changed their views. The move to a more conservative perspective in Western Europe has been perhaps by exaggerated by the newer members in Eastern Europe. The challenge to Centre-right Governments there comes from the far-right as the left and centre left have been weakened or wiped out.

    Comments about fishing rights by Kilsally are slightly ironic, as most of the fishing rights will remain inside the EU if/when he and his friends get their way. The departure of England, Wales & Northern Ireland from the EU will be offset by Scotland remaining inside the EU, with of course their territorial waters!

  • Makhno

    I stopped reading at ‘schizophrenic’. Editing…hello?

  • terence patrick hewett

    Since you are indulging in a bit of fantasy concerning the future of Scotland: let me have a go:

    Cameron narrowly wins the May election; he attempts to re-negotiate the UK’s relationship with the EU and makes the expected pigs-ear of it. The
    UK exits the EU after a referendum triggering a Scottish exit from the UK. A constitutional crisis occurs which inspires an Anglo-Celtic Federation of independent nations, trading with the world. The challenge inspires science and industry and the Federation becomes highly competitive, successful and rich and to everyone’s surprise the Republic of Ireland joins leaving Scotland isolated and shackled to the corpse of the EU. Scotland applies to join but receives the reply that a referendum of all the constituent nations will have to be held.

    Fun isn’t it.

  • Even if that were the case I doubt it would be less than the 13% were currently get.

  • Robin Keogh

    Lol

  • Robin Keogh

    All countries in the Union contribute to the pot which is distributed around to regions depending on requirements. Britain is not the only country that suffers an overall negative benefit. The contributions are absolutely necessary to help poorer regions who need infrastructure and economic development. Ireland has been transformed through European funding, North and South. It is up to Britain to negotiate the best deal it can for itself when it comes to the various treaties. The CAP and other policies are not designed to punish anybody, they are designed to regulate production and to offer fair access and opportunity across the zone. Of course there are decisions that upset some groups such as turf cutters in Ireland, farmers in france, fishermen in Britain or milk producers in germany. Its not a perfect system but i wouldn’t be too cocky about trade opportunities if there is a brexit. Whats the point in British fishermen landing millions of fish with no market to sell to or creating a market that pushes the price down to make it worthless to the catchers.? I have huge issues with Europe but i would prefer if ireland – all of it – stayed the course and made the changes from within rather than be impotent on the outside.

  • NMS

    Kilsally, I am not that sure. I am looking at a map of Scotland & England presently and note that the majority of the English coastline is proximate to another country, Ireland & France. It is Scotland which has the wide expanses of sea, unfettered by nasty neighbours. UK access to Irish waters would of of course also be precluded on departure!

  • terry o’neill

    Confused!
    THe EU introduced a ban on dumping fish a few years ago, the fishing industry is against the ban.

    Are you saying UKIP agrees with the ban?

    I question your maths on the size of UK fishing grounds, are you using the crazy 200 mile zones that triggered the Cod Wars?

    Even if UKIP could win a new round of Cod Wars and invested in a big enough Navy to enforce it the UK doesn’t have a fishing fleet of any size. Over 3/4’s of the boats are under 10 metres and get less than 5% of the UK quota.

    The rest goes to mostly non British owned ships, in fact one privately owned European ship has 25% of the entire UK quota to itself.

    What is UKIPs actual policy, invest billions in the fishing fleet and navy over several years to build capacity

    OR to retake the fishing fishing grounds and rent them out to foreign businesses.

    all options appear to come with a massive price tag to the British taxpayer

  • barnshee

    Might I point out that er Northern Ireland (part of the UK) would have a claim to a “wide expanse of sea”

  • Sorry but I do not buy the `Brexit means no trade with the EU` argument. The EU would lose more trade than the UK in such circumstances.

  • NMS

    Barnshee, No, it is squeezed in by the Scottish Islands of Arran and Islay to the north and Ireland to the west. There is a graphic at

    http://www.bloombergview.com/quicktake/scotlands-independence-bid , which illustrates the point.

  • jonlivesey

    If Scotland becomes independent and remains in the EU, they face some very serious problems. They would be expected to adopt the euro, and that would mean abiding by the solidarity pact limits of at most 3% annual deficit.

    Today, according to the IFS, Scotland’s fisal deficit is 8% of GDP and it has hardly moved since 2007.In fact, by some projections it is rising. That would mean a net fiscal consolidation – tax rises or government spending cuts – of an extra 5% to meet the eurozone targets.

    http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7652

    But it’s actually worse than that, because the rest of the UK subsidises Scotland to the tune of £1,624 per taxpayer and that subsidy would obviously go away, as would UK defence orders and bases. The SNP’s answer to this is to talk about oil money, but that’s a lot less impressive now that the price of oil has halved and even some rigs are being shut down.

    So yes, in a literal sense, Scotland could leave the UK and remain in the EU, but it would have very serious economic problems if it did.
    And by the way, this was often discussed during the referendum campaign, Salmond constantly claimed the EU entry for an independent Scotland would be a formality. so if Scots really think life outside the UK and inside the EU is so attractive, it’s a mystery they voted it down 55/45, isn’t it?

    The SNP and their supporters really haven’t made any intellectual progress since September. They still think that they can talk about a shining future and ignore the real numbers.

  • jonlivesey

    You have me wondering if Scotland’s vast fishing riches are being set up to to take the place of oil as the answer to everything.
    Remember, Scotland lands 60% of the UK catch *today*. This isn’t new money. It’s already in the numbers.

  • jonlivesey

    Well, you wil have to argue that one with IFO. Their latest piece of fantasy has a UK that leaves the EU losing 14% of its GDP. Why? That is the supposed loss represented by the loss of the “dynamism and innovation” due to EU membership.
    And by the way, that isn’t 14% lost to trade, just to these magical qualities. To some sort of EU “aura”, as far as I can tell.
    Honestly, these people are delusional. If the EU and its dynamism and innovation are responsible for 14% of the UK GDP, why can’t they apply those magic attributes to their own economies?

  • jonlivesey

    Oh goody. It’s time to play spot the begged question. Any time someone says a policy is “designed to” do this and that, you should always ask if it actually *does* what it is designed to do.
    Good intentions don’t count for much in the real World, which makes it a bit odd that europhiles constantly defend the EU for its good intentions, and stay clear of its actual failures.
    The EU is really expert at advertising its own good intentions, But if it is no longer a positive for the UK, we don’t have to be bound by the idea that it is trying to be.

  • jonlivesey

    I agree, but we are going to see this confusion more and more, because confusing Brexit with leaving the single marrket is one of the most effective pieces of FUD europhiles hav.

  • Robin Keogh

    Hi Jon, i agree with that in many respects. Of course if its better for Britain to be outside the union well then it would be correct to exit. But when looks at Britain and its wealth and position globally is it worth the risk? If u are convinced that Britain can be bigger, stronger and better outside the union, then go for it if you are absolutely certain. I think it might be too big a risk if u are not 100%.

  • On this topic of the EU and Sinn Féin, I’d be interested to see research into eurosceptic opinion amongst Sinn Féin’s rank and file. Is this so-called ‘eurocriticalism’ regarding EU membership, of reforming the EU and not leaving the EU, really the view held by the majority of Sinn Féin’s members?

  • Zig70

    Every nationalist in the north, Wales and Scotland is rubbing their hands at the prospect of a brexit and the wedge it will drive into the UK identity. Could unionists be that short sighted? In 2016? Are the stars aligned?

  • jonlivesey

    Well, that’s sort of another begged question. It is SOP in the EU to talk about Brexit as if it’s going to have a big *economic* affect on the UK.

    Norway shows that you can be in the Single Market, and outside the EU, and it doesn’t have much economic affect either way.

    Leaving the political institutions of the EU and leaving the Single Market are different issues. I am a big fan of free trade, so I see the Single Market as a good thing.

    So what actually is the “risk”? To me, the only real risk is that the EU cut up rough on principle and decide to “punish” the UK for leaving the poltical institutions by cutting off trade. That would do economic damage to both sides that is difficult to quantify.

    This seems to be what the IFO report was talking about when it used the phrase “isolated UK” for one of its scenarios.

    But then I ask myself why the EU would take measures that would harm both sides? I can quite see why they would threaten to do so; anything that causes anxiety and uncertainty among UK voters works in their favour. But are they actually going to do such a destructive thing? The Common Market began with the aim of promoting free trade. Are they going to end by destroying it?

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    A tip of the hat to Killsally for managing to incorporate the word ‘discombobulated’ into a post title.

    I salute you Sir.

  • Sergiogiorgio

    Sinn Fein voters don’t care where the handouts come from. Whether it be the hated British government or the EU. The DLA in west Belfast must be paid for. Sure they’ve earned it……

  • terence patrick hewett

    Sir Digby Jones says that the Germans would demand nothing less than free trade: and as we all know; what Germany wants in the EU Germany gets.

  • terence patrick hewett

    It gets worse: Brittany declares UDI and applies to join their Celtic brethren in Cornouailles: shortly afterwards followed by Normandie, Picardie, and the Pas de Calais. The Hundred Years War starts all over. Scotland cannot resist the temptation of wholesale arson, rape, pillage and slaughter and is welcomed into the Federation.

  • Ulick

    I’m sorry but “70 per cent of Europe’s fishing grounds”, Lolz… #delusional