Bishop challenges PSNI over failure to enforce lawful restrictions

It is hard to argue with Bishop of Down and Connor, Noel Treanor, when he expresses surprise and concern regarding the PSNI’s refusal to act to enforce the lawful restrictions placed upon Saturday’s loyalist parade, not least since every year on the 12th July the same PSNI enforces Parades Commission determinations in spite of being conscious of the fact that violence may result.

Indeed, the Irish News editorial this morning, entitled ‘Police should enforce rulings,’ echoes the Bishop’s sentiments, concluding that “it would have been preferable if the [Parades Commission] rulings had been enforced in the first place.”

The difference, of course, is that the violence following in the aftermath of the enforcement of a determination favouring loyalists will likely originate from nationalist quarters.

And therein, unfortunately, continues to lie the problem with the PSNI- in Belfast, and indeed Carrickfergus or Ballyclare or….

Bishop Treanor pulled no punches when challenging the PSNI in today’s Irish News to explain why “no visible effort” was made to prevent loyalist bands from defying the Parades Commission determination.

He also had strong words for the marching loyalists and their cheerleading contingent of unionist politicians, describing the “insulting behaviour” of the bandsmen as “not being worthy of our city, nor of the Christian ideals espoused by the Royal Black Perceptory and other organisations involved.”

Regarding the decision of unionist politicians to sign that letter, he had this to say:

“Their signing of this letter disappoints profoundly all who espouse an open, shared and tolerant society based on mutual respect.”

Meanwhile, it has been noteworthy how quickly the very same unionist politicians who signed the letter and participated in the march involving multiple breaches of the Parades Commission determination have gone to ground (anybody seen Peter, Nigel or Nelson recently?) Perhaps they’re working on Peter’s next important speech to entice the hordes of catholic unionists out there… 

Instead, the collective unionist political leadership has clearly decided to allow senior Shankill loyalist, Winston Irvine (yes, he with an, ahem, insight into the thinking of the UVF) to lead unionism’s public defence of its actions in Belfast on Saturday.

All hands to the pump again……

And the going to ground strategy hasn’t been without its own problems.

Nigel Dodds’ deflectionary tactic of blaming republicans for the violence that briefly broke out during Saturday’s parade has now been exposed as  a lie with the news that a Scottish loyalist has been charged in relation to this incident, which has been clearly captured in video footage.

Here’s Nigel Dodds’ press statement released Saturday on his website:

Commenting after the parade came under attack from republican protestors the DUP MP said, ‘I want to commend the many people who worked very hard  to try to ensure as peaceful a day as possible including all our DUP  MLAs and councillors, members of the North and West Belfast Parade Forum and parade marshals, who were present on the ground to help defuse trouble.

The republican attack on, and incursion into, the parade, which resulted in a skirmish and the injuring of police officers are to be deplored and condemned.

 And here’s DUP Shankill councillor, Guy Spence, peddling the same line on his Twitter account:

Guy Spence: 1 Riot Police had to come onto the scene when Republican Protestors attempted to break their ranks and attack band members.

Over to Sir Walter Scott:

Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!

 

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    What I am taking from this post and other posts on the same general topic and from parades commission determinations. There is a definite hierarchy of roman catholic chapel over Protestant church, a hierarchy of roman catholic offence over Protestant offence and from roman catholic republican and nationalist poster here on Slugger. A refusal to admit any sectarianism form roman catholic’s therefore leading to a hierarchy of roman catholic sectarianism over Protestant sectarianism.

  • If the politicians won’t act as leaders of men then on this occasion the editors should. This minor flashpoint could grow and grow into something very ugly; there is partial admittance of such in today’s Newsletter and Irish News.

    The Irish News should take a step back, the Newsletter and Telegraph take a step forward and all together publish a joint editorial in support of a statement by the Chief Constable (or some such choreographed figure). On this occasion there is a clear offence , offensiveness and offenders and they should be condemned without equivocation.

    If there’s seen to be no respect for the rule of law then the bully boys will once again fill the void.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    Maybe this will be of intrest to the bishop of Down and Connor, Noel Treanor.

    “I think it’s important to say that the real problem here does not exist between the St [Patrick’s] Parish Church and the parade organisers. The real problem is with the Parades Commission”. Winston Irvine

    “It has been their decision and their determination which has aggravated the situation and of course in the coming days we will be seeking to take that issue forward,” he said.

    “This Parades Commission has caused untold damage throughout the summer and it’s high time the commission went.”

    North Belfast Sinn Féin Councillor Conor Maskey said the action of the orders has left the residents feeling “affronted”.

    “They need to show dignity to the residents. They need to show respect to the residents. They need to stop provocation deeply offensive provocation outside a place of worship,” he added.

    Indeed Sinn Fein councillor Conor Maskey, When will your party start the process of respecting Protestant churches, and admit to sectarianism from roman catholic’s. Leading to a hierarchy of roman catholic sectarianism over Protestant sectarianism.

    Here is something for the shinners and bishop Noel Treanor to ponder.
    First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye. … First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

    http://www.u.tv/News/Talks-expected-after-troubled-march/c3de5f91-e87d-4840-b6d7-78c8fcd0e29a

  • sonofstrongbow

    tacapall,

    Your musical friend was fined for behaviour likely to lead to a breach of the peace. Pretty self evident offence given his actions. A successful prosecution of the offence requires a number of elements; the presence of persons who may be annoyed enough about the initial action that a breach of the peace is apprehended, the nature of the action itself – provocative or merely situationally inappropriate etc.

    Given that prima facie evidence of case(s) of a BOP offence, disorderly behaviour or other public order offences may be present during the events of Saturday we will all have to await the charging options the police and PPS go for.

    As I was not there I’ll content myself to wait the outcomes rather than judging matters on video evidence that, at best, can only provide a partial view of the incidents and in law requires corroborating evidence to support it.

    Now back to Dungiven………..

  • sonofstrongbow

    andnowwhat,

    You do surprise me. Parading in support of militant Irish nationalists is not part of nationalist “culture”? The erection of memorials and the subsequent visitation of them on high days and holidays with flags flying and drums beating is not part of nationalist “culture”?

    I had a notion that something happened at Bodenstown, and many other places, annually. Must have been a dream.

  • tacapall

    SOS for a start he’s not my musical friend but anyhows I see your still defending bigotry with whataboutery

    “While being disrespectful is not a criminal offense surely they must realise a normal society could not survive if being disrespectful to one another was the allowed norm and therefore in the interests of the common good, public displays of offensive and disrespectful behaviour by anyone or any group against another religious denomination that will or would in all likelyhood lead to serious disorder and unrepairable damage to the very fabric of our society should be tackled head on by the appropriate bodies namely the forces of law`and order and the courts.”

    There’s no ambiguity in the statement above whether that be a catholic church or protestant or jewish whatever it covers them all. Personal insults or innuendo from people of your kind who excuse bigotry because some idiots from ballygobackwards acted in a similar manner is pathetic. The truth is its people like you who encourage division who believes in that mumbo jumbo anti christ bullshit, why dont you get a life and live and let live. Nobody is saying the Orange Institutions are not allowed to parade simply they are not allowed to disrespect and act in an offensive manner outside places of worship to which they do not belong.

  • Fergie Pie

    tacapall,

    I seem to have missed your dozens of posts about this band stopping outside a place of worship to play sectarian songs and display their naked, hate-filled, anti-protestant bigotry in an intimidating fashion.

    Each IRA band takes their turn to stop outside the protestant church – it would seem as if it was all pre-arranged by the parade organisers for no other reason than to insult and threaten Dungiven’s small, vulnerable protestant minority…

    IRA bands play sectarian songs outside a protestant church:

  • tacapall

    Fergie whenever I see on the news Nationalist politicians in government supported by former republican paramilitaries supporting the breaking of the law by bands who have been banned by law acting in an offensive and disrespectful manner outside any place of worship while the PSNI stand back and allow it, dont you worry I will have no problems calling it as it is bigotry and sectarian.

  • Fergie Pie

    tacapall (profile)
    28 August 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Fergie whenever I see on the news Nationalist politicians in government supported by former republican paramilitaries supporting the breaking of the law by bands who have been banned by law acting in an offensive and disrespectful manner outside any place of worship while the PSNI stand back and allow it, dont you worry I will have no problems calling it as it is bigotry and sectarian.

    – – – – – – – – –

    Oh dear……..

    The IRA/INLA parade in Dungiven which purposely stopped out a protestant church to play sectarian songs was attended and addressed by Sinn Fein’s Martin McGuinness and serial killer Sean McGlinchey.

    The bands (each and every one of them) ‘acted in an offensive and disrespectful manner outside a place of worship’ by stopping to play sectarian songs outside a protestant church. This was done solely to intimidate the small, vulnerable protestant minoity in the town of Dungiven.

    Given the situation is almost identical to what went on in Donegall Street I can only presume that you think:

    Loyalist bigotry = BAD
    Nationalist bigotry = GOOD

  • galloglaigh

    And still no loyal Sluggerite will answer why political unionism is pandering to supremacist and sectarian organisations, who are propped up by armed terrorist groups? And why the loyal Sluggerites are defending law breakers, bigots, and armed terrorists?

  • tacapall

    Nothing surprises me about the hypocrisy of Martin McGuinness who although I never saw on the clip, nor did I see any abuse directed at the Rev or whatever they call themselves who do the preaching in that church that I barely saw in the background. However playing any music loudly and disrespectfully outside any place of worship is wrong and should be forced to stop but its still nothing like the events of last saturday or what happened outside St Patricks church.

    Who on this thread said bigotry was good, the only people who are defending that type of activity are yourself and your fellow loyalists. Why dont you request Pete or Mick or someone who would agree with your case that its identical to what happened outside St Patricks to do a thread on it and we can all comment.

  • Jack2

    ArdoyneUnionist your hatred is palpable.
    Spot the Freudian error:
    “When will your party start the process of respecting Protestant churches, and admit to sectarianism from roman catholic’s. Leading to a hierarchy of roman catholic sectarianism over Protestant sectarianism.”

    Capital P for Protestant, small rc for Roman Catholic. Not once but twice in the two adjacent sentence’s.

  • andnowwhat

    Has Dodds amended his statement about republicans starting violence?

  • Fergie Pie

    tacapall (profile)
    28 August 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Nothing surprises me about the hypocrisy of Martin McGuinness who although I never saw on the clip, nor did I see any abuse directed at the Rev or whatever they call themselves who do the preaching in that church that I barely saw in the background. However playing any music loudly and disrespectfully outside any place of worship is wrong and should be forced to stop but its still nothing like the events of last saturday or what happened outside St Patricks church.

    – – – – – – – – – – – –

    I think you’ll find the situations are virtually identical.

    You’re going to need a physio after all this thrashing about… 😉

    Once again, IRA flute bands purposely stop to play provocative, sectarian songs outside a protestant place of worship:

  • Mister_Joe

    It seems to me from watching the video that the stopped band was at an IRA memorial. Why the memorial was built beside a church is beyond me, totally incomprehensible. Having said that, at least one band is shown playing music while marching past the church. There is no excuse for that. It was totally disrespectful. If there were restrictions imposed by the PC and they were ignored, then the organizers should be charged just like the ones in Belfast should also be charged. If found guilty, then legal sanctions should be applied.

  • Mister_Joe

    I don’t know if they have the force of law but the Parades Commission has a general set of guidelines for acceptable behaviour on all parades. These include that only hymns may (should?) be played when passing a place of worship.

  • Jack2

    +1 on what Mr Joe says.

    If they stopped outside a Protestant church and played it is wrong and should be condemned. Deliberately provocative and disrespectful to peoples religion & faith.

  • tacapall

    Once again Fergie the only people who are condoning bigotry and sectarianism is yourself and your fellow loyalists.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    Wow jack you can tell a lot about me from my P’s & C’s.
    Did you ever concider it was the predictive text thingy on my phone???

  • Mister_Joe

    ArdoyneUnionist,

    The opposite happened to me here a couple of years ago. I was pulled up on it by a Protestant and have tried to be ultra careful ever since. Having said that, some people have oversensitive antennae.

  • grandimarkey

    Wow that was some read. A fairly depressing read mind you but some read nonetheless.

    *Wipes brow after reading all the comments*

  • I’m with the Bishop on this one.

  • sonofstrongbow

    Tacapall,

    You make a number of (let’s be kind and call it assumptions) about me in your 2.18 post. In your headlong sectarian stream of consciousness desire to brand everyone that challenges your myopic bigotry as a bigot you, as usual, loose the run of yourself.

    I have not “defended” the actions on Saturday. Indeed back on the 25th and in the first thread on this subject I called it as a sectarian display.

    That position however will not preclude me from challenging the likes of you on your rank hypocrisy. When this is done it is your modus operandi to throw out the ‘whataboutery’ nonsense in a weak attempt at deflection.

    Given that you are unable to muster a cogent argument I expect nothing more from you than your ad hominem responses. It’s just what you do. I think it’s called ‘projection’ in the trade.

  • tacapall

    SOS please feel free to post that comment where you condemned the sectarian bigotry outside St Patricks Church and while your at it feel free to post my sectarian and bigoted comments regarding the matter.

  • son of sam

    Daniels,Moran
    What makes you think the P P S has friends in the “loyal orders”?Its a rather presumptuous suggestion on your behalf unless you have evidence to back it up.

  • lamhdearg2

    From the bbc web news.
    “DUP MLA Nelson McCausland has said the actions of loyalist bands in Belfast on Saturday were ‘almost inevitable’ given what he says was the anger felt at the Parades Commission”
    “After a summer of bizarre decisions by the commission, there was an anger within the unionist community and this was almost inevitable,” he said.

    Its seems Nelson has it covered again.

  • Mister_Joe

    So you just went to bed. Hope you had pleasant dreams, mine were.

  • Jack2

    ArdoyneUnionist: 27/8/12 11:33

    “Protestant, Unionist and Loyalist community to vote for a united Ireland, if it ever comes along. I think he needs to be told they are having the very opposite effect.

    If this is his attempt at roman catholic, republican”

    What type of phone is capitalising the words – Unionist & Loyalist?

    Sorry but I dont believe your excuse as “the phone did it”.

  • lamhdearg2

    yes joe, thanks, no dreams or nightmares I can remember.

  • Neil

    ArdoyneUnionist,

    Does your phone, like yourself, see Catholics as lesser people? It must, as it seems to only auto correct Protestant, and not Roman Catholic. Do you still not realise that they are both capitalised as proper nouns?

    Protestantism and Catholicism are treated the same in the English language – even if not in your mind. That subconscious hatred of Catholics really does run deep.

  • Fergie Pie

    Non-capitalisation – the new way to offend poor, oppressed, second class catholics….

    Perhaps this will be the new battleground when you run out of invented parade flashpoints??

    “Start preparing those petrol bombs boys, he only used a small ‘c’ at the start of catholic – the bastard!”

  • lamhdearg2

    Lot of folk on here with Sigmund delusion,
    here do me.
    ULSTER is GREAT
    eIrE Is sHItE.

  • SK

    When this is done it is your modus operandi to throw out the ‘whataboutery’ nonsense in a weak attempt at deflection.”

    ______

    SOS,

    Grossly unfair, given that your last batch of comments have all been a variation on the phrase “whatabout Dungiven”.

    In another thread you articulated the “game” played by politicians of all hues as a means of shoring up the Executive. You did so eloquently, which is I went out of my way to agree with you.

    Look at you now.

  • Neil

    Not offended at all Fergie, just pointing out that AU’s excuse is a demonstrably, provably, obvious lie. So much so in fact that he still hasn’t cottoned onto the fact that his auto correct would pick up on any religious denomination and capitalise it.

    Either way I don’t really care, I’d be happy enough with small ‘f’ fenian to be honest – that’s what I am – just pointing out the small lie that calls into question the man’s honesty in general.

  • sonofstrongbow

    SK,

    I stand by my previous comment, and that those who vote for the said politicos on each side also play the game for their team.

    Tacapall wished to, aside from his trademark man-playing, look at the loyalist band incident in a silo to indulge in a little Prod-bashing. When evidence was posted that nationalists also indulge in odious sectarian behaviour (Dungiven) he threw out the ‘that’s whataboutery’ deflection.

    Given that much of the commentary had been about disrespecting St Patrick’s church it was both appropriate and relevant to note that other churches also suffer – and in a much more permanent fashion with a built shrine to a murder gang member outside the door.

    Tacapall’s bigotry was evidenced when his response was to ignore the Dungiven affront and pose a random question about some character up in front of the beak for a rebel musical drive-by on an Orange parade.

    When he was called out on this his response was to feign total ignorance and ask for the posts to be reposted for his consideration. Classic nonsense which again underlines the pointlessness of humouring him any further.

  • tacapall

    SoS Im still waiting

    “SOS please feel free to post that comment where you condemned the sectarian bigotry outside St Patricks Church”

    This is your idea of me being a bigot and sectarian.

    “While being disrespectful is not a criminal offense surely they must realise a normal society could not survive if being disrespectful to one another was the allowed norm and therefore in the interests of the common good, public displays of offensive and disrespectful behaviour by anyone or any group against another religious denomination that will or would in all likelyhood lead to serious disorder and unrepairable damage to the very fabric of our society should be tackled head on by the appropriate bodies namely the forces of law`and order and the courts.”

  • tacapall

    And again at 2.18

    “Personal insults or innuendo from people of your kind who excuse bigotry because some idiots from ballygobackwards acted in a similar manner is pathetic. The truth is its people like you who encourage division who believes in that mumbo jumbo anti christ bullshit, why dont you get a life and live and let live. Nobody is saying the Orange Institutions are not allowed to parade simply they are not allowed to disrespect and act in an offensive manner outside places of worship to which they do not belong”

    But I still cat see or find that post where you condemned the sectarian bigotry and the breaking of the law outsides St Patricks church on Saturday.

  • LD McCausland knows the double standard he’s employing here will be seen as what it is. It’s ok for ‘Ussens’ to break the law of land as long as we’re angry enough, but not for ‘themmuns to do the same. We’ll take it Robbo is on the same page as Nelson on this, as his track record on giving ministerial posts to the biggest rednecks in the DUP. Alex Kane said the marchers and bandsmen did no favours to unionist by their conduct on saturday. Political unionism begs to differ clearly.

  • PeterBrown

    Let me see if I can get us back on track and away from failing to use capitals=bigotry…..

    What happened outside St Patricks at the Twelfth was wrong, not as wrong as some tried to portray it in that the band being outside the church during the cenotaph stop was a coincidence and to have played during this stop and even the circling was not per se offensive as it occurs elsehwere and was not in and of itself targetting the chapel and if hymn tunes had been played would not even have breached the PC guidelines as there was no service on at the time.

    However having said that to strike up the Sloop John B which as some will recall as a rural non Rangers supporting orangeman I was actually unaware of the significance of was where the line was crossed as I think it is to me almost inconceivable that this wa not a deliberate targetting of that building in front of the Carrick Hill protestors. In all likelihood no criminal offence was committed but it was almost certainly a deliberate attempt to give offence.

    In light of subsequent statements the Parades Commission probably had no choice but to issue a determination – I think that a one parade suspension for the band was not unwarranted and the reinforcement of the guidelines about playing hymns outside places of worship would have been sufficient in addition if the loyal orders in Belfast had not made a mockery of that guideline at the Twelfth last year on the Lower Newtownards Road so the removal of music altogether was possibly the next level of determination.

    Both these impositions were in effect self inflicted wounds by the loyal orders and therefore I don’t really understand the level of indignation about them and I would have thought that in any rural parade this sort of behaviour would have been the norm in any event. the failure to abide by the determination and the manner in which it was breached are inconsistent with the rules of the RBP never mind the principles on which it is based and which everywhere except it appears Belfast for which it still stands. If future determinations for this street are more stringent or eventually (as it seems unlikely it will be immediate) there is a ban on parades past this point the loyal orders only have themselves to blame and a first steptowards rehabilitation would be to voluntarily transfer this band to a different part of town or dispense with their services altogether -its what would happen in every other county.

    Having said that and without wishing to dilute my condemnation of what went on last July in east Belfast, in Donegall Street last month and on Saturday and as a plea in mitigation rather than a defence the PC does appear to be inconsistent in its application of its guidelines and in particular those relating to places of worship as the videos suggest. This was reinforced by Nelson McCausland reporting that Brian Kennewaya Commisioner who is a former Presbyterian Minister and member of the loyal ordersdrawing a theological distiction involving the blessed sacrament but ignoring the fact that many protestant churches have memorials to those killed in the wars and even the troubles, some of them external. I would also suggest that if there is a diffculty with resrticting music to hymns which necessiutates the banning of music why not make reference to selecting only music from the PCI / CoI hymnals (which I assume do not contain the Sash in disguise!) instead of going further than their own guidelines.

    Also there needs to be parity of treatment for all parades and places of worship as well as all the other guidelines such as paramilitary displays then there can be no accusations of discrimination against loyalist parades – loyalist bands have gradually put their house in order only to see their republican counterparts be allowed to continue to flout the rules, and not just the lunatic fringe but at events attended by the DFM no less. if there was no distiunction drawn then there could ne allegation of a lack of parity of esteem….

  • galloglaigh

    Peter

    What are your views, being a loyal order member, when they use armed terrorists as muscle? Will you be leaving your loyal order? Or are you quite content to be part of an organisation who mixes with armed terrorist groups?

  • The Lodger

    “What are your views, being a loyal order member, when they use armed terrorists as muscle? Will you be leaving your loyal order? Or are you quite content to be part of an organisation who mixes with armed terrorist groups?”

    galloglaigh,

    Don’t forget wifey.

  • looneygas

    Congratulations to Peter Brown for his maturity and common sense.

  • galloglaigh

    Lodger

    How does your wife feel about you fraternising with terrorists and gunmen. Are you trying to tell me that I didn’t see UDA and UVF terrorists marshalling and directing loyal orders this Summer. I’ve told you before: You’re fooling no one; you’re a fool!

  • The Lodger

    galloglaigh,

    I’m surprised that you are allowed to hurl personal abuse at me on this site.

  • Mister_Joe

    I second looneygas’ comment. Peter does bring a lot of commonsense to these arguments.

  • PeterBrown

    G

    As an Orangeman outside Belfast I don’t face this issue directly and as I have stated here and previously I find the antics of the Orange Order and now the RBP in Belfast – well I was going to say embarassing but frankly it’s more than that. It’s not a resigning issue because as I remarked to someone else on Facebook the Belfast tail should not be allowed to wag the rural dog in either organisation and if I and everyone else who shares my views leave that only makes that more likely.

    Those who know me know my history with so called loyalists particularly those from the YCV side of the house and I have no issues on my conscience about associating with them – anyone who has any doubts about that need only check the exchange of correspondence between myself and the late Billy McCaughey in the Ballymena Guardian in the run up to the 1997 council elections to see my views on the UVF which have not changed since. The current mayor of Ballymena will also corroborate my consistent position on these issues particularly the night he and I tackled a rather one sided DUP victims motion and the reason I resigned from the UUP was the ill fated inclusion of David Ervine in the Assembly Group.

    To make such sweeping generalisations based on the actions of minority is like equating everyone in the GAA with the actions of the minority who besmirch that organisation as well – let’s hope that the leaderships of both organisations take appropriate steps to ensure their rules are enforced in relation to recent infractions of both but I don’t hold out much hope for either as local leaderships tend not to refer things up the line…

  • galloglaigh

    Yet you’re still part of an organisation, who allows the UVF and its youth wing on parades, and who openly uses the UVF and UDA as marshals?

    Doesn’t add up to me that’s all!

  • PeterBrown

    G

    As a Linfield supporter and despite my clashes with his colleagues in Ballymena I often found myself sitting a few seats away from Billy Hutchinson at Windor but it never stopped me being a Blueman – I am open and honest about my identity my affiliations and even my concerns about the behaviour of some of my colleagues on this site which allows some who are not so open to take advantage of that to try to stain my character by tarring me with a very broad brush whilst not even identifying themselves. That is perhaps the price I have to pay by not being anonymous but I think it is a badge of honour which few particularly on the unionist side of house can wear any longer on this site.

    Perhaps you would like to comment on the merits of what I say before you start mud slinging whilst you hide so that I cannot return fire?

  • HeinzGuderian

    taca

    Your bleeding heart,amateur dramatics act would be a tad more believable,if you could only turn your head,and look across the street.
    If it’s sectarian bigotry to march up and down outside a place of worship,playing ‘sectarian’ tunes……..then it shouldn’t really matter what particular brand of worship is involved ?
    But you still can’t bring yourself to condemn,unequivocally,the sectarian bigotry on display,for all to see,in Dungiven.

    Of course you are not alone in this……..

    ‘Doesn’t add up to me that’s all !’

  • Fergie Pie

    HeinzGuderian (profile)
    29 August 2012 at 1:07 am

    taca

    Your bleeding heart,amateur dramatics act would be a tad more believable,if you could only turn your head,and look across the street.
    If it’s sectarian bigotry to march up and down outside a place of worship,playing ‘sectarian’ tunes……..then it shouldn’t really matter what particular brand of worship is involved ?
    But you still can’t bring yourself to condemn,unequivocally,the sectarian bigotry on display,for all to see,in Dungiven.

    – – – – – – –

    You might have missed it (seeing as this debate is spread over THREE Chris Donnelly blogs on the same subject) but…

    tacapall says Nationalist bigotry and triumphalism outside protestant churches is ok because it’s not supported by Nationalist politicians (despite Butcher McGuinness and Grannykiller McGlinchey being in attendance).

    Or in other words……

    Nationalist bigotry = GOOD
    Loyalist bigotry = BAD

  • tacapall

    HG just for you. Practice what you preach

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mtVyHZu0UY

    Fergie the thread is about St Patricks church in Belfast which fair play to Peter Brown unlike yourself has focused on, once again if you want a thread on the likes of Dungiven or Harryville please direct your problems to Mick Fealty.

  • sonofstrongbow

    FP,

    You, and others, are wasting your time with tacapall. On every occasion he has been called out on Dungiven he has sidestepped the issue. The best he could produce was a generic feel-good letsgetalongerism spiel before jumping back onto St Patrick’s.

    He moved his argument momentarily away from the sectarian incident outside St Pats to point out that it was not bigotry per se he had issue with rather it was the involvement of politicians. When it was then shown that the DFM was in attendance at Dungiven this produced a random comment about his personal opinion of McGuinness then, ah, nothing. It was back to St Patrick’s.

    Now you could be kind and suggest that on a thread of over 250 posts tacapall is unable to understand that the conversation develops on the topic and tries to avoid ploughing the same furrow of points over and over again.

    In reality he is well aware of what he is doing and is hanging on with his fingertips in his efforts to avoid the thread touching on aspects of the topic being discussed that he is obviously uncomfortable with.

    He’s a troll. Avoid feeding him, I certainly will in future.

  • andnowwhat

    Another interesting video http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=m-feedu&v=Foy57HRGHnM

    Well worth taking the time to watch

  • andnowwhat

    Arch Bishop of Armagh, Moderator of the Presbyterian church and another minister rise to Alban’s challenge to speak out about Satdurday. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/northernireland/talkback/talkback_20120829-1200b.mp3

    And rise to it, they did