Will the PSNI dance to the Orange tune tomorrow?

The Parades Commission ruling regarding the 12th July parade along the Crumlin Road has set the PSNI a challenge to prove their willingness to confront loyalists seemingly intent on responding violently to a Parades Commission determination in the same manner that the PSNI have annually responded to the challenge coming from nationalists responding violently to the consequences of a determination at the Ardoyne interface.

Update: The PSNI ACC Will Kerr has stated this afternoon that they will “robustly uphold” the Parades Commission determination relating to the 4pm deadline.

The  PSNI’s unwillingness to face down loyalists in Ballyclare and throughout south-east Antrim last year following a PSNI decision to remove flags erected outside a catholic church is particularly noteworthy. Readers will recall the PSNI’s grovelling apology to rioting loyalists and the subsequent decision to permit loyalists to re-erect flags outside the catholic church then and to turn a blind eye when the loyalists extended their campaign of  intimidation to include the catholic church and school in Carrickfergus as well as Ballyclare this year.

With the determination in all certainty likely to be breached by loyalists who’ve made clear they’ve no intention of being prepared to complete the contentious stretch of the unnecessary return route by the time decreed by the Parades Commission, the gauntlet is clearly being thrown down to the PSNI to act in a non-partisan manner by enforcing the letter of the law and blocking the returning loyalists from violating the determination and completing the parade at a time of their choosing.

In all likelihood this will mean the PSNI having to put in place a riot control plan to deal with loyalists as opposed to republicans, something history tells us the PSNI are not particularly comfortable dealing with.

The consequences of the PSNI buckling to the loyalist agenda and pulling a stroke in collaboration with unionist representatives, Orangemen and their loyalist colleagues to facilitate the Order will be keenly felt by Sinn Fein in particular, who will struggle to explain the determination of the PSNI to stand up to republican rioters in Ardoyne year on year whilst shirking away from confrontation with loyalists.

In a real sense, the Orange Order have challenged the PSNI to disprove the authenticity of the  dissident republican narrative regarding policing prejudices by facing the loyalists down.   We shall soon see if the PSNI are up to the challenge…..

  • Quite frankly, these pictures would be enough to ensure prosecutions and court cases pretty much anywhere else in Western Europe. Anne’s pic is an incitement to genocide, no less.
    Ask John Terry

  • Mark

    I hope not Lamhdearg because that’s crazy . I know it’s just a small group thats’ responsible and without naming names , you would hope that former paramilitaries with influence wouldn’t stand for that kinda shit . As an Republican I can understand the Provo / INLA flags because of everything that went on but that picture , that’s caveman stuff .

  • lamhdearg2

    indeed.

  • salgado

    lamh – maybe I was just being optimistic from the photos I saw (over 10 of them, Cluan being the only one with the flags and so on).

    The one in anne’s picture is disgraceful.

  • Mark

    Indeed ? Is it Pete Baker night ?

  • lamhdearg2

    best thing to do with that sign, is to burn it.

    Ours has three R.o.i flags on it, one with the letters cira one with rira, and the big one on the top has eriu is our queen on it, I think its called black humour.
    but the idea of burning the dizzys flags (and ideas) seems fair enough.

  • Mark

    is to burn it …. now that’s funny ( dark ) and that’s the kinda humour you want around a bonfire .

  • lamhdearg2

    no.

  • lamhdearg2,
    If you are asking would it be fair enough for me to erect a bonfire and burn the union jack on top after scrawling something across it, my answer is no. I would not do that. How would it make you feel if I did?

  • Mark

    But seriously Lamdearg , whoever put that picture up is deranged .

  • Mark

    Typo …Lamhdearg .

  • lamhdearg2

    bangordub, its done every year, I don’t care, and I dont think it reflects badly on irish nats. they/you dont like the union, loyalists dont like the idea of a nation of Ireland that includes ulster.
    I am off now to watch the “boney”.

  • ArdoyneUnionist
  • Mister_Joe

    No, there is no justification whatsoever.

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    CS
    “They want to damage Sinn Féin and the way they want to do it is to provoke loyalists to start shooting”.

    And do you think the PUL people of Ardoyne are concerned if the republican movement in the guise of Sinn Fein are damaged goods in Ardoyne or anywhere???

    Any damage to Sinn Fein is self-inflicted and an issue for the people of the republican part of Ardoyne and everywhere else. If republicans feel betrayed by Sinn Fein that’s a matter for then, they need to deal with it, in the usual republican way or make it known when they go to the ballot box, or not as the case may be.

    As a Unionist it is not my responsibility to aid Sinn Fein!!!

    Sinn Fein has never been advocates for the PUL part of Ardoyne. Just listen to Gerry Kelly’s latest rants. Sinn Fein certainly didn’t do anything to assist the then PUL enclave of Torrens. As the PUL community there were recently burnt and forced out of their homes. Where there used to be PUL homes there is now a nice new republican development at Torrens

    Why would loyalists want to start shooting???

    CS, you know the only shooting at Ardoyne has been from republicans when engaging in their summer rioting extravaganza. If you remember a republican sniper at another republican riot took out a police camera mounted at the round-about with one round. If the republican sniper was to keep up that accuracy they could be very deadly for PUL community.

    I’m personally surprised that the republicans have not yet shot at a parade. This view has been expressed by members of the Loyal Orders and Bands. That is why they are reluctant to take children passed the shops on the Crumlin. The area is a republican snipers ideal location with an easy getaway. At the moment it’s only bricks, bottles, golf balls, nuts and bolts and bags with dog shit well I think its dog shit are the norm.

    As for the no marching.

    “A position that the marching bodies should be confronting at the negotiating table. If Sinn Féin are not genuine on this matter why not simply expose this fact during talks”?

    CS, Gerry Kelly in all his rants, along with Gerry Adams today who waded in stating there should be no marches effectively no Orange feet on the Crumlin road. Adams also quoted Jackie McDonald, classic.

    Another strange issue is the Shinner controlled CARC. Martin Meehan on his web site has some interesting points on this. The shinners default starting position with CARC is disingenuous as is not a true residents association but a Sinn Fein controlled body.

    http://greaterardoyneresidentscollective.blogspot.co.uk/2010/09/questions-for-cara-bcrc-sinn-fein.html

    http://ardoynerepublican.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/open-letter-to-crumlin-ardoyne.html

    How come that the N&W Belfast Parades and Cultural Forum can speak for the Loyal Orders specificity the Orange Order on the Springfield and at the Tour of the North but they can’t represent the Loyal Orders at Ardoyne? This in the full knowledge that members of the N&WBPCF are members of the Orange Order and the other Loyal Orders. Not only that but CARA’s members are part of http://www.bcrc.eu/ as are members of N&WBPCF???

    Why the Sinn Fein fixation on a direct meeting with the Loyal Orders.
    I would have thought that any meeting at any level, that had the power to resolve the matter would be acceptable to Sinn Fein. After all they went through many intermediaries and facilitators themselves before they got to where they are now!!! Is it the case of Sinn Fein wanting everyone to do as they say and not as they did???

    As for the neighbourliness issue if GARC Do you think it is a good neighbourly idea to hold what would be a purely confrontational parade through the Ballysillan. However that would be a matter for them, the parades commission and the PSNI.

    However likely it is to get the go ahead, unlike the Loyal Order parade past the shop fronts, which takes place on a shared part of the road.
    Ballysillan like the area of the Crumlin road at the chapel, whether we like it or not, would be described as exclusive to that particular community. That is why the Loyal Order parades go down the Woodvale road rather than antagonizing the republicans/nationalists along the exclusive part of the Crumlin, now that would be irresponsible.

    That said if they do want to hold this parade I just hope they sit down or their preferred reprehensive body, sit down with the required Loyalist parades body that covers that area. Just like the Loyal Orders do.

    “There will be in the order of 3000 parades tomorrow. A grand total of two parades are currently making the headlines – this one and the one in Crumlin. In other words, 99.9% of the parades are proceeding. Giving unionists 99.9% of what they want rather than demanding, a lower compromise at say 50% or 75% seems quite reasonable to me”.

    The 3000 parades is a deceiving head line number. And I’m sure you’re quite well aware of that CS. For those that don’t know if a Lodge wants to parade around the corner, say on the Shankill they still have to fill in a 11/1 pro forma giving a very skewed distortion to CS’s head line 3000 number.

    “Giving Unionist’s 99.9% of what they want”??? How do you make that out??

    And why would they be reduced to 50% or 75%. As you said out of the 3000 parades you mentioned, only 2 are continuous? So why would they be reduced??? Is this the republican agenda we keep suspecting, but were never quite sure about until now possibly?

    “An Ireland of equals” the Ireland were “all the children are cherished”
    Utter rubbish.

    The Ireland that Gerry says “their identity, self-interest and quality of life will be best served, secured and guaranteed in a united Ireland;”

    Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Gerry-Adams-unveils-seven-point-plan-for-a-United-Ireland-146527645.html#ixzz20MXoZu17

    Gerry, I don’t know what the coffee smells like in your Donegal dacha but that statement stinks!!!

  • Hopping The Border

    AU, the simple answer is no – what other answer would you expect?

    Burning of the Tricolour is grossly offensive yet it seems to be just accepted as normal by Unionists.

    That is the flag of the neighbouring state and one which almost 50% of NI population identifies with, but unionists see no problem in ceremoniously burning it in celebration of their “culture”.

    The same country, incidentally, in whose capital the OO would like to parade through.

    And before pete or anyone else posts that infamous picture of the UF and COI bishop’s potrait being burned in Derry, that was equally despicable and will hopefully not be repeated.

    With the automatic whataboutery already covered, perhaps some of the Unionist commentators here might share their thoughts on tricolour burning, save for lamhdearg of course, who has already, eh, nailed his colours to the mast.

  • salgado

    As another unionist opinion – I would agree burning flags on bonfires is wrong, but I wouldn’t take part in any of this bonfire/marching nonsense anyway so I’m sure you can find someone else with a more relevant opinion.

  • harpo

    “Burning of the Tricolour is grossly offensive yet it seems to be just accepted as normal by Unionists.”

    To unionists it’s the flag that was used by various brands of Irish republican terrorist groups.

    It may be the flag of the ROI, but it’s also the flag that is used by many nationalists to mark their territory in NI (that such territory is Irish and not British) and it’s the flag that the likes of the PIRA used.

    If it’s offensive to PIRA supporters when the Irish tricolour flag is burned then good – that’s the point of doing it.

  • salgado

    harpo – even if it offends nationalists who didn’t/don’t support the IRA?

  • harpo

    “Can anyone justify this?”

    anne:

    Why do you want people to justify that?

  • harpo

    salgado – does it offend them?

    Do these people complain when the ROI’s flag is abused by being used on a sectarian basis to mark out territory, or by Irish republican terrorist organizations?

    Or is that all fun and games, and it’s only offensive when PUL people abuse that flag?

  • salgado

    That would be up for them to say, but I would hazard a guess at yes. I’d be slightly offended too if the flag of what I considered to be my country was put on a bonfire and set alight.

    Again, that would be for someone else to answer but I’m sure there are plenty that aren’t too happy about that either.

    Would you be happy for the union flag to be abused in either of those ways?

  • dwatch

    “Orange Order says it has peaceful solution to Ardoyne march ruling”

    ‘On Wednesday evening, Orangemen from the Belfast county lodges and local politicians met on the Shankill Road to discuss the Parades Commission decision.

    Orange Order spokesman Reverend Mervyn Gibson said they had found a solution.

    “All present have agreed a course of action that will guarantee a homeward parade for the Ligoneil lodges,” he said.

    Continue reading the main story

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    Good to see Orange Order giving responsible leadership to maintain peaceful outcome”

    Peter Robinson
    First Minister
    “This is a peaceful solution to the appalling predicament the Parades Commission have placed us all in.

    “Difficult decisions have been taken but decisions which will offer hope and encouragement to our communities, indeed to all the people of Northern Ireland.”

    He said more details would be given to Orange Order members at the main Twelfth celebration in Belfast at Barnetts Demense on Thursday afternoon.

    Mr Gibson refused to say whether members would abide by the Parades Commission ruling.’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18802232

  • lamhdearg2

    All quite on the north west front, a few insults traded, parade passed in 5 min, protessters gone 10 mins after that, crumlim road quite and peaceful, wound it not be better if it was like this all of the time.
    ps dee on nolan, chill out.

  • dwatch

    Just heard a rumour the 3 LOL’s which passed Ardoyne shops this morning, will leave Barnett’s park at 3 00 pm by bus to finish the return parade past the Ardoyne shops. Then they return by bus to Barnett’s park for 4 15 pm to join all the other lodges for the return parade into Belfast.

  • derrydave

    dwatch – that really would be pathetic, and show them up for what they are. Why is it so important to these people to parade past Ardoyne shops that they will get a bus there and back again just to do so ??

  • tyrone_taggart

    dwatch (profile) 12 July 2012 at 10:56 am

    “Just heard a rumour the 3 LOL’s which passed Ardoyne shops this morning, will leave Barnett’s park at 3 00 pm by bus to finish the return parade past the Ardoyne shops. Then they return by bus to Barnett’s park for 4 15 pm to join all the other lodges for the return parade into Belfast.”

    LOL

  • dwatch

    dwatch – that really would be pathetic, and show them up for what they are. Why is it so important to these people to parade past Ardoyne shops that they will get a bus there and back again just to do so ??

    derrydave, not as pathetic as the position the “Parades Commission” put them in. Anyway you should be glad that the the OO are keeping within the law. Or are republicians hoping the 3 LOL’s will try and force their way through at 7 00pm?

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    “Just heard a rumour the 3 LOL’s which passed Ardoyne shops this morning, will leave Barnett’s park at 3 00 pm by bus to finish the return parade past the Ardoyne shops. Then they return by bus to Barnett’s park for 4 15 pm to join all the other lodges for the return parade into Belfast.”

    Never thought of that lol. I think it sounds like a peacefel way of the OO highlighting what a ridiculous decision it was. No doubt as GARC go on the rampage the OO will be enjoying an ice cream on their way back from Barnetts…

  • derrydave

    On the contrary I think it proves that there is no necessity for these lodges to march home after festivities (after all they’re not gonna do that this evening !). Therefore their desire to march back past the shops has nothing to do with going home and everything to do with gettin it right up themmuns !

  • andnowwhat

    The decision shows that the lodges are less involved in the prayers etc. but the bit that causes offence

  • Comrade Stalin

    ArdoyneUnionist:

    Ann, Can any one justify this?

    No. We need to find the knuckle-trailing wankers who did it and prosecute them for committing hate crimes.

    But the important detail here is – there’s nobody around here trying to pass it off as “culture”. Which is what we are told the bonfires are for. It is not acceptable for anyone to spurn, burn or denigrate anybody else’s flag. It is not possible for any to demand respect and fair treatment while simultaneously committing an act such as this.

    dwatch,

    That sounds like a rather ingenious solution to me. But I do have to ask, will unionists accept this becoming the norm ? Because it may well do so if there is no trouble this year.

  • dwatch

    dwatch,

    “That sounds like a rather ingenious solution to me. But I do have to ask, will unionists accept this becoming the norm ? Because it may well do so if there is no trouble this year.”

    Indeed CS, I dare say they will have no choice but to accept it. Enclosed is BBC news & confirmation of what I was informed some hrs ago. It has also thrown the problem back in the Parades Commission & GARC’s lap. If there is no trouble this year no doubt one of them will take the credit. But will it satify or anger GARC, who have their counter parade at 5.30 pm?

    “Orange Order to bus a group of marchers to Ardoyne”

    Lodges and bands passed Ardoyne earlier and a group will make the return journey before the 16:00BST deadline.
    Members of three Orange lodges will be ferried across Belfast by bus to meet a 16:00BST deadline for passing the flashpoint Catholic area of Ardoyne.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18814800

  • Comrade Stalin

    dwatch,

    I think the Ardoyne elements (who do not necessarily speak for the residents) will try to kick trouble off no matter what happens. Irrespective of what was going to happen, I’d have predicted less trouble this year in any case due to the PSNI’s robust response with arrests and prosecutions last year. Fingers crossed.

    It sends out an important message, in my view, that the law must be complied with.

  • Brian

    “Do these people complain when the ROI’s flag is abused by being used on a sectarian basis to mark out territory, or by Irish republican terrorist organizations?”

    I don’t know if I am one of ‘these people’, but it has absolutely filled me with disgust to to see the provos and other organizations wrap the Tricolour around them as if they were the emodiment of the Irish nation. The fact is most nationalists on this island did not support them or their campaign. It’s a shame they had to hijack the flag, and also “Sinn Fein” and the term “IRA” from their historical meaning and significance. Instead of the leaders and freedom fighters of the revolutionary era, people today think of Gerry and co. when they hear “Sinn Fein” and “the IRA”.

    Disgusting

  • lamhdearg2

    “Will the PSNI dance to the Orange tune tomorrow?”

    well, Tomorrow has become today, how did the psni do, vis a vis the Orange,
    the parade has done what was asked of it, the irish nats rioting are doing it because thats their thing.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    Don’t worry Lamhdearg, Chris will be out soon to comprehensively report on republican violence and condemn their actions! He could end up writing 67 pages on their violence and sectarian hatred. In fact, he may even write how the PSNI has facilitated their violence!!! Just be patient – it will come!!!!

  • harpo

    “Don’t worry Lamhdearg, Chris will be out soon to comprehensively report on republican violence and condemn their actions! He could end up writing 67 pages on their violence and sectarian hatred. In fact, he may even write how the PSNI has facilitated their violence!!! Just be patient – it will come!!!!”

    No doubt he will be whining about something, now that his dreams of a police v OO confrontation haven’t come to pass.

    I’d say he will have a go at the police no matter what they do. No doubt it will revolve around the GARC parade. If the police ‘force the GARC parade through’ he will whine that the police put the GARC paraders at risk. If the police stop the GARC parade because they fear GARC paraders will be hurt that will be presented as a denial of the human rights of the GARC paraders, because they treated the GARC paraders differently from the OO paraders.

    He has so much choice about what to whine about.

  • dwatch

    “Don’t worry Lamhdearg, Chris will be out soon to comprehensively report on republican violence and condemn their actions!”

    Indeed harpo, Chris has gone all quiet since the news came out the 3 Orange LOL’s were sending a token number of their members to parade past the Ardoyne shops before the 4 00 pm deadline.

  • Mister_Joe

    C’mon guys. Why all these predictions about what Chris might say. Wait until he says something before criticizing him.

  • salgado

    “C’mon guys. Why all these predictions about what Chris might say. Wait until he says something before criticizing him.”

    It is slightly assuming in that sense, since Chris has went to such great lengths to predict what the PSNI might do if loyalists riot or the orange order disobey the parades commision. Was he willing to wait before criticizing?

  • dwatch

    Indeed mister joe, sorry chris, we should be pleased because of this news:

    “Orange Order parades across Northern Ireland have passed off peacefully. They included a march by Orangemen close to the flashpoint at Ardoyne in north Belfast, where hundreds of riot police remained stationed to keep loyalist and nationalist protesters apart.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hnl3WiGMkzx1oolwdtHLhGqKLf5g?docId=N0136511342025140562A

  • Mister_Joe

    It really is good news. Neither the parade nor the seemingly minor violence later were mentioned on the BBC World News. That is progress indeed and bodes fairly well for the future.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    looks like the GARC parade went off well then:
    Jane Loughrey ‏@Jane_utv
    Fireworks being thrown at the police in Brompton park, Ardoyne. Water cannon deployed again.

    Rebecca Black ‏@hackedoffhack
    Police officer has been injured at brompton park from flying debris #ardoyne

    richard mulligan ‏@r_mulligan1
    Petrol bombs now being thrown at police in Ardoyne. Obviously the thugs just happened to find them lying on the street #wellprepared

  • harpo

    “C’mon guys. Why all these predictions about what Chris might say. Wait until he says something before criticizing him.”

    MJ:

    It’s much more fun to try to anticipate how he will try to spin this massive own-goal for Irish nationalism into some great victory for Sinn Fein. Or whatever sort of cooky story he comes up with.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    In fairness to the shinners, Kelly was out condemning the GARC parade yesterday saying there was no need for it and it would only stoke up tension.

    That said, I have no doubt republican violence will be justified in the form of excuses.

  • Mister_Joe

    ..Irish nationalism..

    A tiny percentage of that group, I believe. Or, at least, hope.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Taking the bus to walk where they are not wanted…

    It would be funny only blind bigotry is no laughing matter.

  • harpo

    “Taking the bus to walk where they are not wanted…”

    Dixie:

    That’s “not wanted by nationalist bigots”.

  • Barnshee

    Oh its all gone quit over there ….oh its all gone quiet over there….oh …repeats ad nauseum

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    You have to admit the OO played a blinder on this one. Never thought they had it in them.

  • Mister_Joe

    the future’s bright, the future’s orange,

    Not only bright and orange, but maybe full of realization that things are going to have to be different and you have to go with the flow.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    more republican violence? I imagine some prod has walked past their shops…

    http://www.u.tv/News/Petrol-bombs-thrown-in-Derry-disorder/aa9fb237-2780-4813-95ed-3426d209487e

  • SK

    “You have to admit the OO played a blinder on this one. Never thought they had it in them.”

    Brave sons of Ulster, the lot of them.

  • Mister_Joe

    SK,

    They obeyed the PC Determination. They deserve some credit for that.

  • harpo

    “You have to admit the OO played a blinder on this one. Never thought they had it in them.”

    Brave sons of Ulster, the lot of them.

    SK:

    I still haven’t seen you condemn the nationalist violence.

    Why is that?

    Is it not repugnant?

    I think you admire it, which is why you ignore it.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    ‘the future’s bright, the future’s orange,

    Not only bright and orange, but maybe full of realization that things are going to have to be different and you have to go with the flow.’

    Certainly, a LOT more maturity that anything we have seen before. They have certainly put the ball back in the Parades Commission’s side of the court. Do they they side with the folk that followed their directive or do they side with the ones that cause violence in the hope that violence can be prevented.

    Ultimately, no-one really wins. Republicans wreck their areas, and the OO have a day of tension. In the end, both sides are as divided as ever.

    On the other hand, from what I have read, Crumlin was a big success with some accommodation given on both sides.

    So maybe one step forward and one step back.

  • harpo

    “You have to admit the OO played a blinder on this one. Never thought they had it in them.”

    Future:

    I agree. They usually find a way to mess things up, usually due to sheer stubborness, but this time they’ve played it perfectly.

    They left the Ardoyne nationalists to make fools of themselves as usual, and haven’t provided any reason to have further restrictions put on their parades.

    I’m loking forward to the post-game analysis. The various strands of nationalism are going to have to struggle to spin this defeat as anything but a defeat.

    They’ll try to blame the police for something, and to play the MOPE card, but they know it’s futile. The egg is very firmly on their face this time.

  • harpo

    “Republicans wreck their areas”

    Future:

    I’ve never understood that tactic. Republicans aren’t a smart lot in the first place, put messing up your own area makes no sense. I know they then try to spin it as oppression, but that ignores the fact that they did it themselves.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    Harpo – loyalists have plenty of history wrecking ‘their’ own back-yard too. But all this, for 14 men in a bowler hat is a bit mad even for Ardoyne.

  • harpo

    “With the determination in all certainty likely to be breached by loyalists who’ve made clear they’ve no intention of being prepared to complete the contentious stretch of the unnecessary return route by the time decreed by the Parades Commission”

    I’ve just read Chris D’s opening post again and man must he be disappointed.

    Í haven’t laughed so much in ages.

    That fellow has such a vivid imagination.

    I like the phrase ‘in all certainty likely’. It’s meaningless. It’s like saying ‘I’m 100% certain that she might go on a date with me’.

    The whole thing was Chris D’s wishful thinking.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    Question is – what the PSNI robustly dealt with republican violence? Any bets on numbers arrested for tomorrow? I’d say 6.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    mmm, my 6 was over-optimistic.
    Claire Millar ‏@clairemillar85
    9 PSNI officers injured in Ardoyne. Large number of petrol bombs thrown. 3 cars hijacked. 6 baton rounds fired and 2 ppl have been arrested.

    With only 2 arrests, the shinners are going to struggle with police brutality on this one.

    On a more positive note, GARC have promised no more violence if prods stay away:

    Chris Hagan ‏@hagan_utv
    GARC say tonight they will in future refuse to apply for any parades on the Crumlin/Ardoyne Roads, if the Loyal Orders reciprocate.

  • SK

    “I’m loking forward to the post-game analysis. The various strands of nationalism are going to have to struggle to spin this defeat as anything but a defeat.”

    _________

    And that’s what marches like this boil down to right there.

    Thank you Harpo.

  • Mister_Joe

    the future’s bright, the future’s orange,

    Maybe only 2 were arrested on the spot. But last year many more were arrested later. Hopefully the same will happen again. There is no excuse whatsoever for violence/rioting.

  • lamhdearg2

    “Nine police officers have been injured dealing with trouble following the passing of a Protestant parade through the Catholic Ardoyne area in north Belfast.”

    BBC NI have their usual opinion on who to blame,

  • harpo

    “On a more positive note, GARC have promised no more violence if prods stay away:

    Chris Hagan ‏@hagan_utv
    GARC say tonight they will in future refuse to apply for any parades on the Crumlin/Ardoyne Roads, if the Loyal Orders reciprocate.”

    Future:

    Where does that indicate that they are promising no more violence? They can’t promise that – the violence isn’t under their control, or so they claim.

    This seems to be the first shot in the 2013 battle. GARC seems to be simply saying how about no more parades at all.

    I don’t see what this offer provides. It isn’t as if the GARC parade bothered the OO, is it? Why should the OO cancel their own parades just because GARC chooses to cancel theirs?

    It is interesting though that GARC is basically admitting that their parade is the same thing as they claim the OO parades to be – sectarian. Obviously they think that their parade caused enough trouble to unionist residents that those unionist residents in the area will demand no parades at all. I can’t see this tactic working.

    Hopefully the PC will ban any 2013 GARC parade, and allow the law-abiding OO parades to continue.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    Mister_Joe (profile) 12 July 2012 at 11:34 pm
    the future’s bright, the future’s orange,

    Maybe only 2 were arrested on the spot. But last year many more were arrested later. Hopefully the same will happen again. There is no excuse whatsoever for violence/rioting.

    Still 2 arrests being reported this morning – absolutely pathetic. Yet again, nationalists go on the rampage whilst cops stand back to watch.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    PSNI ‏@PoliceServiceNI
    Six men aged 34, 28, 21, 19, 19 & 18 have been charged with public disorder offences to appear at Belfast Mag Court on 13/07/12

    oops my mistake – up to 6 🙂

    prediction bang on !