Checks on the Scottish border Theresa? Come and look at ours?

Apparently Theresa May thinks there will be border checks along the Scottish border… Well, yes there may be… But not since Maastricht and 1992 has there been any serious commercial disruption along the UK’s only land border…

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  • FuturePhysicist

    An obvious appeal to paranoia, as for this “land border”, I still think there is a powerful constituency within the party who’d be happy for it to go.

  • galloglaigh

    Typical unionist scaremongering…

  • Reader

    Mick: But not since Maastricht and 1992 has there been any serious commercial disruption along the UK’s only land border
    I think May’s concern was based on the possibility of Scotland joining the Schengen agreement, and the consequent possibility of a land border between the UK and a Schengen Zone country. An SNP rep put her right – an independent Scotland wouldn’t join the Schengen Zone. Just as the Republic of Ireland isn’t in the Schengen zone.

  • John Anderson

    This can be filed along with the recently rejected and spurious claim that Spain would veto Scottish EU membership. Is this really the case for the union? Nothing but sentimentality and scare stories so far….

  • andnowwhat

    I thought Theresa would be all for putting a border at Watford Gap

  • Reader

    galloglaigh: Typical unionist scaremongering…
    On the other hand, at the small cost of making a couple of English conservative politicians look a bit stupid, they have already established that an independent Scotland would keep the Monarchy and Sterling, and wouldn’t join the Schengen agreement.
    Since the Scottish Parliament is busily *not* using tax varying powers they already have, some Scots will be starting to wonder what’s actually at stake besides a bit of flag waving.

  • Drumlins Rock

    you forgot about the “Mad Cow Checkpoints” when the Irish government deal off the border with disinfectant and scrubbing brushes!

  • Tochais Síoraí

    Surely Theresa is expressing her belief that the two borders are intrinsically different i.e. the Irish one divides a country whereas that between Scotland and England seperates two countries.

  • Dec

    ‘you forgot about the “Mad Cow Checkpoints” when the Irish government deal off the border with disinfectant and scrubbing brushes!’

    And the DUP tried to have ‘Ulster Cattle’ redesignated as Irish.

  • Mr Beach

    The point there being a disruption along the border is fairly irrelevant. As a new accession state, it is highly likely that Scotland would have to join the Schengen zone and it is not suitable to compare the situation to NI and ROI as both were members of the EU before Schengen came into place.

    I am also confused by those posters accusing the Unionist parties of scaremongering. These are incredibly pertinent questions to ask and so far the SNP have just made blind assertions with no real basis in fact- especially as, just last week, the European Commission confirmed that they have had no correspondence from the Scottish Government over these issues.

  • Mick Fealty

    Reader,

    Fair comment. We’re still waiting on that ‘public conversation’ Bertie wanted us to have a few years back.

  • DougtheDug

    Reader 27 March 2012 at 9:29 am

    “…they have already established that an independent Scotland would keep the Monarchy and Sterling, and wouldn’t join the Schengen agreement.”

    “…they have already established that an independent Scotland would keep the Monarchy and Sterling until things have settled down, and wouldn’t join the Schengen agreement immediately on gaining independence.

    Nobody can promise what a future Scottish government or Scottish public want or will do.

  • Immigration. Not entirely. So what happens is that people arrive in Ireland and claim asylum and then when free to roam head into the neighbour, good chance of getting across on the Ferry without being stopped and head into wherever. If stopped claim asylum. If (eventually) found not to be able to claim asylum then they point out they can’t be deported as there is outstanding claim in Ireland. Go back there and so on…. If May was right then first, NI travellers by Ferry on the most popular routes would have two stops, one into Scotland, one out. But the other point is that there could be in all three asylum claims on the go at one time. Might as well add one on the way down to England. Of course, that wouldn’t stop the Welsh entry point at Holyhead. Apart from some casual security, has anyone ever been asked for documentation heading over by Ferry? We have open borders in every direction. Long may it last within these islands.

  • Reader

    DougtheDug: Nobody can promise what a future Scottish government or Scottish public want or will do.
    Obviously. But, whether or not “Devo Max” is going to be on a ballot in a couple of years, it’s clear that “Independence Min” will be there.
    Mr Beach: As a new accession state, it is highly likely that Scotland would have to join the Schengen zone
    The SNP seem to be assured that Scotland will be a Successor State, and won’t have to jump through any new hoops. But if there *are* re-negotiations to be done, Scottish fishing waters should ensure a strong hand in negotiations.

  • Neil